Feedback on Ad Farm post

Who are you kidding? Are you going to hire more people to find ad farms and shut them down? Or are you going to treat it like gambling and wave your arms yelling that it's against the rules and then with an nudge and a wink ignore it?

I'll believe this one when i see it. it's going to cost too much for LL to implement,. I for one don't think it's going to happen, no matter how much i wish it would!

The full allotment would return the moment you cross the 512 threshold provided you joined it to your main chunk of plus 512 land. One can own a full regions worth of land in 64m2 chunks across the mainland. I want that to be very impractical while not crippling legitimate uses.

Can agree that 16sqm for a parcel does not accommodate anyone's needs as far as quality of virtual life goes, and that it should probably not be configurable?

Suggestions huh? Well you can easily see from the amount of posts in this tread how many people Ad farms adversely effected. In addition that most of the complaints are in regards to micro plots, where the primary purpose has nothing to do with advertising, but is however; one of the most successful and profitable land sale schemes developed on sl.

1. Play hard ball. Send out numerous notices regarding the October change in TOS. Issue no suspensions rather terminations of all accounts, and groups, and confiscation all lands of any violator after 1 October, 2008, that has a prior abuse report violation. This in itself would rid the grid of the most grievious parties involved in this scheme if they were to be found in violation of the new TOS.

2. Allow no license to be issued to any person (not avatar) or group that has had a TOS violation/ or a founded abuse report.

Most of us reading this thread know exactly who these few ad farmers are and have found their comments rather humorous. Personally I find them to be the worst grievers in sl. Their effect far outlasts any other grieving method of which I am aware. I would like to thank my friends in SL who have got us this far in ridding the grid of these parasites.

Umm, they aren't terribly hard to find. You can see them on the map, for pete's sake.



Start looking around the grid. It's ALREADY happening.

So when should I expect your help in getting the land extortionists between my plots (which sum to 512) to be reasonable?

There are some uses for small parcels under 512 sq/m (extra prims, vendor stalls, etc), so don't do away with them. However... make some restrictions.

1. Allow cutting of any size of a parcel, but no selling a small parcel unless it reduces your land holdings in that region to zero sq/m.

2. Nobody may purchase a small parcel unless they already own at least 512 sq/m in the region already.

3. Prices on small parcels may not exceed a set average per sq/m set by LL. Any violations on this by any attempt to circumvent this price (trying to extort additional monies under the table) should be met with a stiff violation by LL.

4. Ban lines on small parcels shall be invisible and should be limited to a reduced height (this allows small parcels to hold servers securely, yet allow easy flight over the parcel).

5. All small parcels should contain avatar scanning within the parcel only. No scanning outside the parcel unless the prim is actually clicked (not collided with), and only then identifying the actual avatar that touched the prim.

All other restrictions on the parcel using the advertising restrictions set by LL.

ARE WE MARCHING TOWARD VIRTUAL COMMUNISM?


My opinion will be very unpopular but I have to say it clearly: more controlling and regulation will inevitably lead to virtual totality. Many residents constantly call for content and price regulations without realising that lack of respect for private ownership and individual decisions can easily destroy the freedom of choice for everyone in our virtual community.

First it was casino owners, than bankers, now it is advertising industry - who will be the next? Tell me honestly - what is bigger problem - stability of the grid or an ad in your neighbourhood? You know the answer. It is smart to transfer community anger to the less important issues. We all know that most of the small plots have no advertisement. Therefore they can not destroy the look of the landscape. Where is the problem then? I tell you where is the problem - it is endless hatress of many towards those who dare to offer their land for market prices. But what is an extortion price? I have a definition. It is a price I can not afford or I am not willing to pay. The guy who is not ready to sell me his
property for the lowest possible price is the extortionist or a greedy land baron. He is bad..

Who will judge prices of others? Residents? Linden Lab? There is only one entity which has always the right answer - a market. If you do not like the price, do not buy it. Especially when you have other options. As simple as that. Whoever has a problem with the market economy should move to North Korea.

I personally sell many small plots for market prices and I am not shame of that. Why should I? Sometimes I am successful, sometimes not. Despite the fact that I strictly follow the rules created by Lindens, I am receiving many IM's full of hatress, jealousy and anger on a weekly basis. All because I 'dare' to use my right to create a market price.

I believe Regulation of advertising (content regulation) is rather bad than good because it goes against freedom of choice principle, but possible move towards price regulation will have disastrous concequences and will lead to virtual communism. It will be the end of Second Life (and Linden Lab). Most people probably do not realise that this virtual world (and the LL) only exist thanks to commercial (not recreational) activities of its residents. If any price regulations will take the place in the future, it will be the end of SL as we know it. But do not worry - the SL competiton is growing.

Some people do use this size of plot for legitimate purposes, so the plots should not be done away with all together, however I think the license model should be extended to allow only legitimate groups to hold multiple 16sqm plots in more than one sim.

yes .. market prices : 16m2 for L$ 9900 .. LOL

cant wait till 1 october cause your extortion plots in the middle of my land will be the first that i will AR !

What would Jesus do? Apparently ruin his neighbors land, harass people, and then sue. Must have been in one of those apocryphal gospels I never read.

Oct. 2nd

Sorry, I can't hear this "who will be next" question any longer. For all those examples you mentioned there had been adequate reasons to stop them:

- Unlicensed online gambling is illegal in most countries.
- After some bankruptcies and cases of fraud LL had to react on "bankers" as well. Banking was a risky bussiness and none of those guys showed any kind of risk management.
- Ad farms are a pain for most residents, so if LL want's to keep the majority they have to deal with ad farms and land cutters in a appropriate way.


Stability is not as bad as you suggest. I'd say that I spend more than 90% of my time in SL without any problem. And this time I prefer to spend without harassment.


1.500L$ for 16sqm amidst your garden IS extortion. 90.000L$ for 16sqm is more extortion!

I'd do it for free

M Linden showed us a beautiful shot of a resivoir the moles built and then panned up to include some ad towers next to it, made a comment that Jack was starting to take care of this. Obviously our new CEO understands how much the ugly practice of ad farms hurts retention. Even Phillip Rosedal said something about it so the top dogs are aware and seem to have aknowledged the need for change. This was at our breakfast with the two. I personnaly thanked Phillip Linden for the new policy. He responded with a wry smile and the comment we'll see if it works. When M Linden made his comment about ad farms the entire room applauded. I reiterate, Thank You Linden Gods for hearing our pleas. Spam in the view is detrimental to our enjoyment of our mainland builds.

Thanks for the update Herne!

Luke, let me guess, you are one of those admiesters? Well, no we aren't on the march to virtual communism. Second life is a feudal Oligarchy by govt and economy.
Feudalism, by its very nature, gave rise to a hierarchy of rank, to a predominantly static social structure in which everyone knew his place, according to whom it was that he owed service and from whom it was that he received his land. In order to preserve existing relationships in perpetuity, rights of succession to land were strictly controlled by various laws, or customs, of entail.
In SL we have ranks: the serfs who own no land, the lower noble who own land on the mainland, and the upper nobles who own islands. The King is currently M linden, and his councilors are lindens.
Oligarchy is a debased form of aristocracy, which denotes government by the few in which power is vested in the best individuals. Most classic oligarchies have resulted when governing elites were recruited exclusively from a ruling caste—a hereditary social grouping that is set apart from the rest of society by religion, kinship, economic status, prestige, or even language. Such elites tend to exercise power in the interests of their own class.
We are those individuals. and we must deal with admiesters who are virtual highwaymen. These ads are a blight and like it or not, its time for some control.

M linden thanks!

No no. That's a different Marx altogether.

No. There are legitimate constructive uses for small parcels.

There is no possibility of code is law in the universe so looking for a technical solution is moot. Only rigidly enforced policy works. Put up an obvious ad farm tower anywhere in sl your account is deleted as soon as it is found. This is the only solution that will work. Anything less than deletion of all existing ad farmer accounts causing loss of all their land, inventory, and L$ balance is a waste of time. They know what they are doing and they literally take some weird mentally ill sadistic pleasure from doing it. SL must be rid of these people. There is plenty of space for them on non Secondlife open source grids where more of their kind can be found.

Even in a communist society, when a resident is a problem, the issue was brought up to the "manager" who would then resolve the problem. End of story. So, as difficult as it may be to explain... If Yura Borsnivov continuously placed his old vodka bottles outside his apartment door and never brought them to the dumpster, eventually, the residents would complain to the apartment manager and s/he would explain to Yura that he needs to do something with those empty vodka bottles or face more serious punishment. Of course in most cases, Yura would not want the scorn of the neighbors and in no case would he be sent to Siberia, but in the end, he would take his empty vodka bottles out to the trash.

Even in a communist society, residents have their desires and the majority rules. Rarely does it involve the law.

To apply, Jack is the Manager, and we, the residents have complained about Yura and all the other ad farmers, and Jack is "nicely" telling the same to clean up their act, or face the consequences.

This has =nothing= to do with communism. Visit any former or current communistic country if you really want a taste!

Drongle: I'm very aware of how obtrusive ad farms are. I was attempting to be fair to any legitimate advertisers (if they exist) and not overreact to the glowing, particle-spewing ad farm in my backyard that has recently gone from 40m to 60m high.

Not to side track things, but my definition of legitimate advertising is paying whatever for Classifieds in my profile Classifieds section, paying whatever extra it costs on slexchange.com for Bold, Feature, Highlight, whatever advertising add-ons. You get the picture. Most of theses ad farmers that ruin it for everyone else don't pay a single classified add anywhere! They made a one-time purchase of a 16 cutup from a 512 for less than it would cost for a classified on SL or slexchange.com and to boot, they place the 16 for sale at ridiculously high prices. Even worse, they have group land inwhich the owner is no payment info on file. Add it up!

They deserve what's coming to them!

You are funny, man.

Stability is not as bad as you suggest. I'd say that I spend more than 90% of my time in SL without any problem. And this time I prefer to spend without harassment.


1.500L$ for 16sqm amidst your garden IS extortion. 90.000L$ for 16sqm is more extortion![/QUOTE]


Stability is hopeless. You do not even know what term 'extortion' means. Nobody is forcing you to pay. Leave price decissions on the owners.