Feedback on Ad Farm post

Same here. My big lot (which a needlessly laggy ad forced me to sell) was across the road from an ad farm in a sim corner. Now I live on the remnants of that farm and am spending a lot of resources to clean it up.

Instead of buying an area of land, you buy a certain number of prims. You can choose freely the arrangement of the land on which they fit (prims correspond to server resources, but land size doesn't - it's just a coordinate range - so this is perfectly possible). Then, you choose your neighbours by specifying links to their parcels - just like you would with a normal website. The client can connect to the appropriate region servers to render the "chain" of linked parcels next to each other.

Yes!


Again yes, you need to grovel to whoever owns the bare parcel and they will probably say the parcel is vital to them and put a high price on it (in actuallity it is part of the scam to sell the other parcel).


Shall we play the "whose alt is this" game? First guesses anyone? Remember to not use actual names somehow.

This basically sounds pre version 1.2 when they changed from that because of prim hording, there was also a huge revolt about it I believe in 2003

Oh, you can forego the banline. Then the advertisers can see how many people go out of their way to see the ads.

Wow, this is really great, at last some real action to salvage the mainland! Congratulations!

And 32 pages of posts, I can't read all that so I don't know how much talk there has been about zoning. But it seems to me this is the complicated part, and it seems to me that having two categories, "residential" and "commercial" would only make for a lot of very boring sims.

So I hope some thought will go into this. Also a lot of thought about exactly what kind of advertising will be allowed in each type of zone.

From the song "The man that got away":

"Good riddance, goodbye,
every trick of his you're on to,
but fools will be fools
and where's he gone to?"

LOL

Sandor

I'm really happy about this plan. I hope it works!

My suggestion: After ads/ad farms are under control, please implement a plan to start re-joining all those tiny 16m plots to larger plots. The mainland is too carved up. Only ad farmers are interested in buying those little plots.

Here are some ideas:

* Preference for buying tiny plots should go first to the owners of adjacent plots, then to land owners in the same sim, and then to the general public. Give the neighbors a few days to buy them so they don't have to race against the land bots. This will encourage people to rejoin the land.

* When a tiny plot is in Governor Linden's custody, don't immediately put it up for auction. Wait (a few days or a week?) to see if it can be joined to nearby plots.

* This is extreme, but you could consider putting a price cap on tiny plots (at least temporarily - until the land isn't so broken up)

I see your point here Dora.

So this is my comment if a person with premium account paying land tier on a single 16sqm plot who owned this particular plot only and chose to put it up for sale at 999999L or whatever price. then this is merely stating that the plot is not for sale as this is clearly a absolutely stupid figure as soon as they buy any other plots or place anything on that plot or edit the terrain to cause disturbance then they are HARASSING their neighbors.

When that person buys 100's or 1000's of plots for no genuine realistic purpose but to place them on sale for 1495L in the case of one extortionist or 9999L in the case of another then it becomes an extortion racket.

Many other groups in world hold high numbers of small parcels for running scripts etc. and as such these parcels have a purpose and are not for sale obviously in these circumstances extortion is not the case, and most of these groups will move their parcels for you when asked and do not wish to make your life unpleasant.

*blinks* While I am very glad to see this step forward, I do have one concern...



Does this mean our own shop signs will count as ads?

Yes, landscaping affects the landscaping of adjoining plots. Putting up ban lines also does, as the lines appear over your neighbor's property (I had to move my house when lines appeared in my living room).

Of course, setting to an unrealistic selling point is clearly extortion hoping someone will accidentally buy it. Plots do not have to be set for sale.

Yes, but those sort of ads aren't being banned.

I have been posting Christian messages on billboards in SL for over 2 years.I have invested thousands of hours and thousands of dollars without any financial return. I feel this issue will be a perfect test legal case in RL for discrimination and would welcome contact from folks interesting in joining a law suit against SL, which I want to make it abundantly clear I will pursue if I suffer any form of financial loss or extortion or discrimination.

Good luck with that...

Since they aren't singling out your billboards specifically, it's not discrimination.

Since they aren't asking for money to let you continue spamming people, it isn't extortion.

As for financial loss, nothing in the ToS you agreed to guarantees you any kind of remuneration if they change the ToS in such a way that causes you financial loss. It sucks, but that's part and parcel of being in a virtual world where literally ANYthing can and WILL change at a moment's notice.

You should certainly not be harassed or abused but the fact remains that by placing huge orange blocks in the sky you are being very inconsiderate, this was pointed out to you by me in the previous mainland forum last month



This is just the sort of thing advertising has a genuine use for but I do think in this case the search would be better utilized to look for an art gallery etc. as how many people just happen to fly around and look for ads to find something they want I would think the numbers are more or less non existent.



The time it takes you to place one of your 3prim ads is seconds and purchase of plots through the land search engine also very quick so time is not really a factor here, Surely good will is more likely to make potential customers remember you and use your gallery.



Here we seem to be getting our way, Jack Linden seems to be willing to make the mainland a nice place to spend time, wants to clean up the advertising that is currently downright ugly and produce guidelines for people who if they were a little more considerate of others should have made this step unnecessary.



If adverts were thought about then people would not be so dismayed by them, use mainland is uncovenanted because LL trusted all users to have a little respect for each other and use common sense, unfortunately people have proved to LL they cannot be trusted to act responsibly in many cases.



This policy is not intended to stop extortion, Jack has made that clear in his post on page 11. This policy will license people to advertise responsibly following set out guidelines nothing more, if these guidelines are not followed the LL will remove the license.

The Lindens also intend to act as Estate Managers to prevent other forms of abuse such as extortion, this hopefully means they will actually look at the actions of an individual or group and see if they are trying to cheat extort or abuse in anyway and when convinced this is the case they will put a stop to it.
Not through a particular policy but more in the same way a private estate manager would by using common sense to make their own conclusions and decisions.



You are right some will not be satisfied, however as Estate managers hopefully the Lindens will also stop inconsiderate placement of for sale signs, colored walls etc.



It will not stop people advertising if that is their real intention, and that is not a snipe at you.



It is a great starting point and personally I feel the Lindens are declaring an intention to do far better things for the mainland, combating extortion amongst a few.
As far as someone with surname MARX and other such friends are concerned I believe that Jack and the other Lindens are more than clever enough to see what is happening and will act appropriately.

And as for future anger well the Lindens are always going to pull the short straw on that one, its one of the problems with being in control

But right now they have made this Lady very happy, along with many others.

Why are you so greedy? I'm sure The Lord will recognize your effords anyway.

Oh, goodie, another litigation happy resident. You did agree to the Terms of Service when you joined, did you not?

Well it is good to see that some parts of the new mainland zoning plan WILL effect the old mainland without this 'opt-in' plan leaving older sims out in the cold. I thought it was a major misstep to exclude the existing mainland in this new policy.Hopefully this 'save the mainland' project will keep moving forward and truly make a positive impact that the tier-paying SL residents can enjoy.

.Customer Service. Good.

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Yeah... what she said!!!

Woohoo!! No thread is truly complete without mention of a class action lawsuit! All we need now is an open letter.

I'm sure the TOS also allowed all of the "Linden" trees planted in the middle of the roads to purposefully block my signs and messages?

TOS's won't cover deception or fraudulent inducement in a court of law.

I'm surprised it's lasted this long without being Godwined..... yet.

Kathy enough Judges have ruled against LL's TOS to make it all completely debatable. If someone wants to spend the money to challenge the TOS - then let them. Even when a judge has not ruled against LL - they have caved rather quickly and cut a deal with the unhappy customer. I guess even LL's attorneys know that the TOS isn't worth the paper it's written on.

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I have not seen any of your billboards, and count myself as a Christian to, if your billboards comply with sizing required for a license then they should not be affected.

If they are of an overbearing size and disturbing to people in the surrounding area then you are not sending out a good message for Christians as a whole and they should be removed and new ones placed out.

Religion is important to many people in Second Life and Real Life, and as such can come under unfair scrutiny, complaints from people with other religious beliefs, atheists etc. so in instances like this I hope LL will use a little discretion and common sense when making decisions.

Especially where there is no financial motive and the intention is good and just, sending out a message of PEACE and LOVE.



This sort of response is unhelpful and rude, and I would hope each and every person here should be grown up enough to respect others beliefs.

I believe that was when you paid ONLY for coordinates, and there was no prim limit on land, so you could indeed "hoard prims". But even then you were still paying for placement. What I'm proposing is that the landowner themselves decides their own placement, at least, as it appears to someone on their parcel.