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I came here because SL DID NOT have voice

Kascha Matova
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07-05-2007 16:03
Is there a reason why you're so against new paragraphs?

Did a paragraph marker that looked like a treble clef pretending to be a slim sexy exclamation point trick you into doing something you didn't want to do? Was it using a voice changer that made it sound like a page break, and now you feel betrayed and paranoid?

Who do you think sent it? Could it be...Satan?
Brenda Connolly
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07-05-2007 19:00
From: someone
theres more to life than RP and SL wasn't designed for RP it was designed for exploration of our imagination


:confused:

What's with the fixation on Ex football players dressed a pixies?

And I won't even go near the wearing pantyhose and fake boobs, and squeezing yourself .
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Sally Silvera
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07-06-2007 01:52
From: moose Houston
I see a great benefit to voice already "segregation" it will take all you negative, anal, know-it-all, morons, sexual deviants and put you in you're "voice excluded sims" and this way the rest of us "so called normal people" (the rest of us who are here to have fun, meet people, real people not ex football players pretending to be pixies, real down to earth people) can avoid you like a bad case of diarrhea.


Wow, moose was obviously not feeling very well when he posted this

From: moose Houston
theres more to life than RP and SL wasn't designed for RP it was designed for exploration of our imagination


Which is obviously why moose has RP in his picks.........

/me wonders whether moose lacks the imagination to imagine that some of the concerns expressed and question asked about voice have absolutely nothing to do with people hiding something?

....joining Brenda in steering clear of the further references to bodily parts
Caete Chevalier
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07-06-2007 11:33
From: Sally Silvera
Wow, moose was obviously not feeling very well when he posted this



Which is obviously why moose has RP in his picks.........

/me wonders whether moose lacks the imagination to imagine that some of the concerns expressed and question asked about voice have absolutely nothing to do with people hiding something?

....joining Brenda in steering clear of the further references to bodily parts


Well, when you read
From: someone

HA! step up have a pair! in real life when you want to be a woman you have to squeeze your pair and do your best while dressed up in pantyhose and fake boobs to make your voice sound feminine
from him, one thinks he might have the "voice of experience" is such matters. :D

Personally, I don't use voice now in other online games/simulations, I won't use it here either. Just another bit of wasted code and manpower from LL imho.
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shiney Sprocket
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07-06-2007 19:23
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Didnt say I was some whiney ass forum bitch who sees the world thru rose-colored glasses expecting Uncle Sam to hand me some Food Stamps & a check, I'd rather work for a living. Not some whiner who complains when a great product adds another feature either. You get over it & deal with it. Dont like it? Go elsewhere!

Life? Easy? LOL! So- its easy to live? Not worry about wars, diseases, death, and just plain ol' survival? Must be a nice bubble you live in. And yes, the expectations of most people are quickly shot down. I came to SL with the expectation of something that'll grow & continue to add new features. Instead I find a lot of people whining everytime one gets added.

Learn to enjoy what you have, what you can get. Feels good to work for what you get.

Sorry to hurt your Forum Machismo there, SHiny, but Life is a bitch & I worked for every thing I got & get. And I got it good.;)


Hey, if you want to worry about stuff that is generally beyond your control, more power to you. All I'm saying is that when you stop and step back, examine your expectations vs what you really need from life, on the average, most people (advanced countries) have nothing to complain about. Remember, to even be reading this you have to be on a computer, connected to the internet and using electricity. Those are some pretty good luxuries to have in life.

I've too worked for everything I have. My parents have passed away at early ages and I've had to make my own way. You need not tell me about being self sufficient. I just don't find it is hard to live life and make money if you can develop a skill that is of some use.

I enjoy what I have very much, and especially what I can get from my hard work. But I don't thank life for just giving me everything I have, so why blame it for that which it hasn't given.

And as for those food stamp comments, keep in mind my first post was a parody of, as you say "whiner who complain when a great product adds another feature [... ]"
Tod69 Talamasca
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07-07-2007 04:18
The main thing is, like it or not, voice is here to stay.

It will segregate SL no more than anything else has. Not everyone builds. Not everyone writes scripts. Not everyone whips up textures in Photoshop. Not everyone uses Photoshop.

So- do non-creators distance themselves from creators? After all, a non-creator is just a noob who's here to spend imaginary money, get bored & leave. Maybe ask obnoxiously for sex too.;)

I spent some time on Voice (ok, alot). Meh. Useful/Not Useful.

Comes in handy for lengthy discussions, unless you care to read about 1000+ lines of text with a complete understanding mixed among group chatter. :D


(sorry Shiney, you're still not making any progress into the argument. You can pick apart words all you want. Its all semantics anyways. Kinda reminds me of a psychologist, when the patient says "I feel like shit" and the shrink asks "Why do you think you feel shit?" Break down the general into a specific. A somewhat annoying psychoanlyzing thing that just irritates me. BTW- were you one of my Ex's that used to do that?? ;))
EyeInStein Abel
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07-07-2007 09:52
Probably the best comment in this thread. "Newsflash: there still is no voice, and never has been. You can't give up what you never had in the first place, genius." He never saw it hit him.

Which proves the point I can see here. Voice can mute text chat. Those who can't help but love to hear themselves talk will miss the shy intelligence of the very rare gems.
Kascha Matova
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07-09-2007 18:21
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Well Mr/Ms SmartyPants... Why dont you create your own lil' Virtual World if your so smart in the way of things?


For the same reason I don't build my own car. I was given the option of paying someone to do it for me and I took it. Now that I have, I expect to see consideration of my wishes where decisions affecting my return on investment are concerned. Not too much to ask.

From: Tod69 Talamasca

I just like arguing with people who whine about something they have absolutely no control over & still think they do!!! :D


I agree with you to the extent that LL doesn't appear to give a damn what it's customers really want. However, the negative connotation of the word 'whine' annoys me. More annoying still is how that word somehow doesn't apply in the minds of pro-voice posters when used to describe their comments about having been denied voice all these years.

From: Tod69 Talamasca
I dont care if they add voice or not! Doesnt affect me in any way!!


Ahh, the mantra of the terminally liberal. Those who get heard wondering aloud about things like how the president they didn't want managed to get himself elected yet again. Is this the 'community' part of SL I keep hearing about? Cause it sounds like typical RL "Yay for me and the hell with you" philosophy. So as I said, the differences between RL and SL grow smaller everyday. Pixels notwithstanding, because RL attitudes are shaping this virtual world.
Effulgent Brown
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07-09-2007 21:02
People who do not want voice for the most part are concerned with the fact that there is already enough

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its about the LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!!!!!!!!

Already people cant move, crash over every little thing and are drowning in a sea of useless bling.

When all the people who want voice are sitting in a circle telling each other how

THEY CANT MOVE

then they will get it.

for the "I got mine" crowd, just wait, how long does it take for that kind of cancerous thinking to eat the host.
Tod69 Talamasca
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07-10-2007 05:20
From: Kascha Matova
So as I said, the differences between RL and SL grow smaller everyday. Pixels notwithstanding, because RL attitudes are shaping this virtual world.


Well... DUH!! Are you totally schizophrenic? Able to lose one's RL self totally & completely?

Can't keep people from being people. No matter How "virtual" it is.

Too bad you havent figured out how to Disable Voice. Its in the preferences menu, you know. ;)

Give it another year, maybe 2, we'll see how it shapes up.

For the ones who complain "I was in THERE when they added voice & it killed it", uh, THERE sucked. I was in THERE before they added voice, Loooong ago. I 'think' I stayed maybe 2 whole days before realizing "Wow! This sucks! and the graphics are Bleh"

FYI: I never voted for any president (EVER). I hate politics. Let the human race dig its own grave.:p
Draco18s Majestic
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07-10-2007 06:36
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Too bad you havent figured out how to Disable Voice. Its in the preferences menu, you know. ;)


Then I'm going to have jackasses who go "voice plz, cant typ."
Brenda Connolly
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07-10-2007 07:00
From: Tod69 Talamasca
The main thing is, like it or not, voice is here to stay.

It will segregate SL no more than anything else has. Not everyone builds. Not everyone writes scripts. Not everyone whips up textures in Photoshop. Not everyone uses Photoshop.


Actually it hasn't even arrived yet. Officially, anyway.
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Monalisa Robbiani
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07-10-2007 07:43
With chat only we are all equals as long as we are able to produce readable english text. Noone cares where you live, where you come from, what accent you have, how old you are or if you are female or male. All these things shouldn't matter in a virtual worlds of avatars.

According to the avastar only 30% of residents are real woman. I don' t want to face the choice between getting harassed using voice or be suspected to be man in disguise for not using voice. No way.
Lillyana Hoffman
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07-10-2007 08:01
Voice is just a bad idea.
I don't have a hearing disablilty, but I STILL think its worthless.
Maybe if there were enough people to vote against it, LL would remove it. I know the option is there to use it or not, but seriously....what good does it do in the end?
If ya got a petition against voice, I will happily sign it.
Brenda Connolly
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07-10-2007 09:23
From: Monalisa Robbiani
With chat only we are all equals as long as we are able to produce readable english text. Noone cares where you live, where you come from, what accent you have, how old you are or if you are female or male. All these things shouldn't matter in a virtual worlds of avatars.

According to the avastar only 30% of residents are real woman. I don' t want to face the choice between getting harassed using voice or be suspected to be man in disguise for not using voice. No way.

And how did the Avastar, that well known bastion of truth in journalism, arrive at that figure? And are the paranoid suspicions of small minded idots really that important to you?
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Monalisa Robbiani
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07-10-2007 10:02
If I remember correctly it was an anonymous poll.
Brenda Connolly
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07-10-2007 10:21
From: Monalisa Robbiani
If I remember correctly it was an anonymous poll.

Ah so 30% of the people THEY asked. which could be 12 for all we know.
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Monalisa Robbiani
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07-10-2007 12:05
From: Brenda Connolly
Ah so 30% of the people THEY asked. which could be 12 for all we know.


I don't find the Avastar issue I read this. But I found this:

http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1425

"In addition, 61 percent of residents were male while 39 percent were female."

A slightly better result but still shocking. Keeping in mind the vast market for female-only products (clothing and so on) and the huge number of escorts, strippers etc. you must come to the conclusion that at least one out of two female avs is controlled by a man, probably much more than that. Enabling voice chat would put RL women into a very bad situation.
Kascha Matova
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07-10-2007 13:57
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Well... DUH!! Are you totally schizophrenic? Able to lose one's RL self totally & completely?


Why no. No I am not. Neither am I. Nor I.

Didn't you hear them? The voices? THEY told us it's what we must become to prevent being "incorporated" into the collective! We're only doing what we were told and now you chastise us!

Were we lied to? :p
Brenda Connolly
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07-10-2007 14:00
From: Monalisa Robbiani
I don't find the Avastar issue I read this. But I found this:

http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1425

"In addition, 61 percent of residents were male while 39 percent were female."

A slightly better result but still shocking. Keeping in mind the vast market for female-only products (clothing and so on) and the huge number of escorts, strippers etc. you must come to the conclusion that at least one out of two female avs is controlled by a man, probably much more than that. Enabling voice chat would put RL women into a very bad situation.

Nothing shocking at all. Two thirds of residents are male, they claim. OK. (How they reached that figure I don't know. Did they do a survey?). Nothing else to say what type of avatar is controlled by who, be it Male, female, Dragon, or Furry. Plus the use of alts can skew it even furhter.
Huge number of Escorts and Strippers? Again. Numbers Please. I know several MtF players and none are Sex Workers. I know several Real women who are in the trade, some using multilee alts.
Women focused businesses outnumber those for men in RL, so the only conclusion I'm gonnd draw is it is natural it would happen here.
While I'm sure there are a substantial number og MtF players, (as well as FtM, no one seems to worried about them), a lot if this is speculation bordering on Urban Myth, fueled to some extent by Homophobic paranoia in my opinion.
I do agree that it will cause problems for us. It already has, baaed upon some stories relayed here. But idiots are gonna be idiots, no matter what, and they always find something to get worked up over. Personally, they aren't worth my time. I'll be happy to avoid them.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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07-11-2007 02:59
Hmmmm... I often wonder about the male/female ratio. A bit hard to tell for many reasons. Its not like people lie in online polls! ;)

Doesnt really matter to me if yer male, female, or 'other'. I'll stand around and BS with ya- text or voice. :)
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07-11-2007 07:51
From: Monalisa Robbiani
I don't find the Avastar issue I read this. But I found this:

http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1425

"In addition, 61 percent of residents were male while 39 percent were female."



I dont see where the statistic above supports your conclusion below.


From: Monalisa Robbiani

A slightly better result but still shocking. Keeping in mind the vast market for female-only products (clothing and so on) and the huge number of escorts, strippers etc. you must come to the conclusion that at least one out of two female avs is controlled by a man, probably much more than that. Enabling voice chat would put RL women into a very bad situation.



The simple statistic that 4 in 10 players are female does not mean that half of all female Avatars are men.

Stereotypes about people's online activities arent evidence of anything. Theres plenty of RL women into such sexual activities in RL.

Besides which you are completely discounting other , documented features about women and what they do online.

Such as the fact that women spend more time online on avergae than men.

More women prefer socializing online to computer games, thus spend more time in chat rooms, etc, than men.

And the fact that as many as 25% of married women have had cyber-affairs. (this one was written up in a great Newsweek Article a couple years back).

Its just as likely that many of the men who have accounts spend a lot less time on Second Life than women and more time playing World of Warcraft, thus making the numbers appear skewed.

While certainly Ive met plenty of gender pretenders - assumptions about the numbers out there, Especially using such poor metrics such as a slutiness factor - is really not going to produce any actual results.


Now it could be that half are men, though I personally doubt it.

Im just saying the ways people - the quoted post included - Arrive at that conclusion, are just bad takes on incomplete data.
LillyBeth Filth
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07-18-2007 00:27
Maybe Im missing something here...

Isnt voice ' OPTIONAL'? Its not forced lol

I for one cant WAIT I am sick to death of typing " The TP isat reception" or anything for that matter. But then Im a woman in a womans av so I have nothing to hide or no fantasy to ruin. My reasons for being in SL are not social after 7 yrs of online socialising.
Its a business to me and I cant wait to be able to 'talk' to my customers even if they choose not to talk back.

Gives my fingers abreak

I cant spell too well my grammar is poor and my typos are legandary and Ive always felt this perceived me as an uninteligent person. So to be able to talk were one can hear my tone be able to identify when I am joking or serious ( so many text based conversations are misunderstood becuase of the lack of voice tone ) and have a conversation with ppl who would much rather be rude or curse you out because they can hide behind text chat will be something I look forward to

If 2 people in SL who are arguing met in RL they chances are they wouldnt even approach each other.
I feel hiding behind text is a comfortable way to be an asshole for some ppl and even voice will grant these same ppl the same level of ' unreality ' but less than typing some words.

Im in the minority but then my objectives are different to many SLers.
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Kitty Barnett
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07-18-2007 00:45
LL started testing voice orientation now: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Voice_Test_Team

So far it fits with how I thought voice would progress: voice will be an integral of anyone new to enter SL, the issue of "optional" and "text vs voice" simply won't exist for new residents.

They'll be used to voice before they even reach the mainland and will expect it wherever they go and from whoever they meet.
Justkickzazz Taurog
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07-18-2007 05:12
If you have a look at all Linden Labs "Get Headset at reduced...." ads, you ALL should know WHY it was introduced....just another nice money maker on the line!

Sure, if LL will supply ALL their users with free T1 lines, top notch PCs and so forth it 'MAY' be a different story!

Have any of you 'glorious high-speed line users' ever tried using voice through something like an sat connection or similar? Do they KNOW at LL how lovely it is if you use voice over such a line and having to use the lowest quality codecs to be able to get it working AT ALL and how crappy it sounds?
Did they bother to take the 'human factor' into account? If voice becomes the predominant way of communication how long will it take before those without it will be left aside or relegated to some 'islands' where there is no voice?
Do I want to have just ANOTHER possible source for even more crashes?
Is there any need for it as those that WANT to use it can already by using TS or other software running independently?
I could carry on for ever giving you reasons NOT to use voice and barely NONE which would make this feature a 'must' to be incorporated.

IMHO LL gives a flying f*** about what users think or want as long as it brings real $$ into their bank account.

I am not hearing impaired but I am dyslexic but THAT problem can be solved by many means and I don't mind people having a chuckle when reading my gibberish. But for those who can NOT use voice for whatever reason to be left out is a crying shame, especially because it's just for the darn money.

But then, why am I getting angry - I will just let MY money speak and spend my bucks somewhere else. Ain't no big deal finding a place that will accept my 500USD per year gladly.

P.S. I wrote this text using a spell checker. Just a little remark for those 'dyslexians' claiming it would be the only solution for using SL.
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