I came here because SL DID NOT have voice

Is there really a need for such anger?

Tybalt,

How typical of you to run to the last bastion of hope you have - typos. Is that the only avenue you have left for justifying the arrogance with which you posted? That's really too bad. Not as bad of course as your delusions of superiority in coming into a medium known for the use of acronyms and trying to spank me for not spelling out "by the way". The tool is in the mirror sweets; look closely.

Contrary to your beliefs, I am well aware of the fact that voice is in beta and have been for some time. I am also well aware of the difference between beta and release. Seeing how you are mentioning this in response to me saying voice has never been here and still isn't, I guess that makes one of us, doesn't it?

"Originally Posted by Tybalt Brando
Warning: Insensitive Jerk Comments Incoming"

Who started the name calling? Not me. I just agreed with you. And please - don't whine about it, Mr. Strong Opinion (oh wait I didn't read the rest of the thread - I shouldn't know about your strong opinion stance)

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Saybera, so nice of you to add your own special presumptous contribution to this. Far be it for me to assume you would understand that my point was not to dispute Tybalt's right to an opinion, but to take issue with the callous and unfeeling way he presented it. You have a problem with me saying leave a text based game if he has a problem not using voice, yet you are predictably silent in response to Tybalt's advice to people who are opposed to voice to stay out of parts of SL that use it. How consistent of you. Tybalt wears his "strong opinion" on his shirt like a medal yet when I respond in kind it's a problem. That's balance.

What is my solution? Never professed to have one. Never for that matter expressed the desire to see voice eliminated in fact. If you spent as much time in reading comprehension as you do sarcasm, you would realize that.

As far as being the elected advocate of the hearing impaired is concerned, do I need to be? Are you the only person on the planet with "a friend" who can't hear? If you had actually read past this post into some of the other forums on the voice topic, you would see that there have been many people with impairments voicing concern. In another thread I made your same point about movie theaters in response to concerns about the blind. But you're not concerned with that, are you? You'd rather try to explain "My Type" as if you know me.

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To both of you: I've been dancing for all of two weeks. What in God's name does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Am I less valid now than I would be if I flaunted my SQL Admin and VB background, or the fact that I've started scripting here as well? Is this yet another fallback position for when you need to feel better than everybody?

What pointless arguments.

As someone who has had to deal with a partial deafness bad enough to require lip reading, but not bad enough to require learning to sign, I've been between both sides.
Hearing people never make allowances (I'm still trying to train my kids and wife to look at me when speaking), and neither do those who sign (hanging out with the full deaf kids meant I was as left out as hanging with the hearing kids). Both sides can be as "insensitive" as each other.

If you have a certain requirement, such as text only, then make people aware of it. Don't impose restrictions on others just because you don't want to mention that you are deaf, that would be as bad as me demanding that sign language not be used.

Having said that, I don't think voice is going to become widespread on the grid. Howling feedback, echoes of your own voice, griefers screaming, all will serve to put people off in most circumstances.
Those who want to hold conversations will still resort to skype or teamspeak, just as they do now. The existance of VOIP applications has so far failed to remove all text from the grid, I don't think LLs implementation will have any great effect.

Sys I understand your point. If I had actually voiced my own personal opinion of the coming voice changes, you would have known that I pretty much believe the same as you do about how things are going to go. The fact that these other two have somehow made their obvious disgust with dancing equate to me being against voice doesn't change that.

But the fact of the matter remains that SL has been a text-based community, and many people do not welcome voice. I simply wonder how it is that people who want to keep it that way are "taking something away" from people who want voice when those people have spent their entire existence in SL without voice. If not having voice was the dealbreaker they're making it out to be, they'd have left SL a long time ago. This thread was started by one of the people that Saybera seems to think don't exist. Although Tybalt may have been right in saying voice would not ruin the OP's experience I don't think he needed to say it like a Terminator. That's all...

To the OP, my 2 cents:

I for one don't plan to use voice. I've experienced voice enable chat rooms (when dinosaurs roamed the earth) and I didn't like it. The background noise, feedback, and idiots talking over, yelling over, people trying to have a decent conversation...bleh.

Also, for me it would be a major buzz-killer, especially in role play. I have an idea of a 'voice' in my head which goes with the friends I rp with - for instance one is a tiny little fairy. Think how disturbing it would be to find out that the voice I have imagined for months to be airy and music-like, turns out to be some ex-football player with a heavy regional accent. EEP!

I really don't think voice will overtake SL in that way. It will be just another option.

by personaly expernce voice chat and role playing don't work well together... and is what I'm into...

90% I don't even have my headphones on cause they get to my ears. All I can see this vioce chat doing is opening up more doors to people that want to greif you... and these griefs already have to many toys as it is. One thing I like to know is well there be a way to mute people that are doing voice chat...

*shrugs* hell in large cround well we be able to tell who doing the greifing and mothing off.

I get the feeling that pg area better not have voice chat or there going to be a hole world of problems happening.

Ok..............so when all of you are done the name calling..........

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Taa

Ok whens the voice chat being released, will it be in todays update? Will we hear others talking if we have speakers on, or will it be like turning on streaming audio or whatever it's called! I personally would only use this 1-2-1, but don't want to have to put up with the griefers that already do too much getting their kicks from verbal abuse too! Sorry for the dumb q's, I haven't done my homework on this!

So far in the update notes i didnt read anything about them turning on voice yet on the main grid, could be it needed more work or they just failed to put a foot note in the update, /shrug

What kind of company is going to use SL for conferences? Sorry, but I really think that's stretching to justify a feature that evidently no one wants and will only create more lag and hassle for everyone.

Lag will be as usual, because the voice thingy will be on a different server. And I have yet to meet the first company to use voice.

Maybe for educational purposes yes. I won't be using it because I'm not gunna buy a headset...sitting behind my comp wearing one gives me headaches already. And no...I won't turn up my speakers as well..I don't wanna wake up everyone.

And if anyone points a finger at me saying I'm not who I say I am....*shrugs*

Mandy C

Personally I don't really care about voice on way or the other. I won't be using it myself, but I don't care if others do as long as I can mute them out.

I'm going to need a giant sign that says:

"NO SOUND CARD - TYPE IF YOU WANT ME TO HEAR YOU"

Or something like that.

I'm not deaf either, but it's DAMN difficult for me to follow multiple people voice-talking.... easy for me to follow multiple conversations in text.

I've been texting for years, works just fine for me.

And NO voice will be enabled on MY land.

I won't be using voice either and have just joined text nation group. I never have sound on when I'm on SL - either watching something on tv or playing music or on the telephone. Plus wearing a headphone for any length of time gives me head and ear ache.

We should not have to explain why we won't be using it. For those who want to use it, fine but my little bit of land will be voice free.

IBM perhaps? I'm sure I read that they have employee meetings in SL.

LL itself, of course. Cisco has also been using SL for meetings, and did a replacement for an investor conference call in-world.

We can't stop voice integration. What we can do is find ways to make it more enjoyable for everybody. There already are votes on a way for a sim owner to turn voice off on a sim.

Just need more ideas for where voice is enabled on a sim. How can you visually let people know that in your current role you don't want to feel forced to talk with the voice? I'm sure a sign over the head won't do good.

Oh and I remember There. When voice was enbled, only those who paid the premium for it had it. It got to the point where the majority had it. Those that didn't have voice, especially newbies, got left out of conversations. You had to pay to hear.

Maybe we just need better technology that translate speech to text and the other way around. Perhaps, SL is a way to further that technology!

I think if you tell people you want to talk to that you are deaf, the ones who are actually worth talking to will type. Those who aren't willing to accommodate you have nothing of value to say anyway. It gives you a simple way of separating the good people from the trash.

That's my philosophy.
I plan to mute anyone who asks more than once if I'll voice with them.
Oh, and then I'll turn on my mike and they can listen to me type to them. Ah the gloriousness.

That'll be awesome. If you type like I do people will be asking who's firing guns in the background.

Hehe, no, this is a laptop, so the keys aren't terribly clicky, but they are audible. And when I'm not typing, the mic pics up the fan.

Awesome. I'm in the I'll use with people who want to and type with people who don't camp. If I'm not in the mood and people keep bugging me I plan on singing show tunes.

I am disabled (not in the same way as you) I am also a trained disability advocate.

You have GOT to be kidding! You want LL to not implement voice solely because deaf/mute persons cannot use it? That is like dictating to the whole world that because deaf/mute persons cannot communicate with voice or sound that a law should be made that no one can communicate via voice or sound. That is just plain ridiculous. Try that one in RL and see where you get. I understand the frustration but I totally cannot believe that you would think that because you can't, no one should so that you won't be frustrated or different. Now I could see if they were implementing chat and totally removing the capability altogether to communicate by typing, then you would have something valid to complain about- that isn't the case here. You want LL by not releasing voice capabilities to corral the rest of the population into a position that is best and easiest for your personal purposes regardless of what they might prefer.

What about those disabled persons who have a disability that renders them unable to type with any kind of ease or see the screen to see what is typed to them- and there are many. What if they start clamoring that they only want voice because it's the easiest way for them to communicate leaving you out in the cold completely. How would you feel about that?

This is not about whether I or anyone else will use voice or how good or bad voice is. This is about being reasonable. This is about being fair and offering equal opportunity to communicate to as many people as possible. This is about people being able to choose how they communicate in SL whether it is favorable or unfavorable to any individual or group of individuals. The whole world real or SL does not solely revolve around your or my or someone elses personal needs or desires.

You can't make use of sound based communication? Don't use it- it's your RIGHT! Easy and clear cut. Don't for an instant try to dictate to others what they will or will not use or have available for their use because of your particular limitations.

Shame on you-

Here we go again. This world was text based to begin with. The real world is not. How do you make this comparison? Do you feel forced into typing right now? Then why did you join a text based community? If you preferred voice then why didn't you join one of the worlds that features voice rather than coming to one that doesn't and chastising people who enjoy it the way it is for wanting it to stay that way? The OP is evidently not the only one who is kidding.



Have you heard from any of them yet? Those that can't see who join a virtual environment based on visual presentation that also happens to use a form of communication that must be read, and that has been this way since inception? Don't worry; if you don't see them here, you can hook up with them later at the silent film festival.



This is true. Equal Opportunity for the million plus established members of the currently text-based community is important. The community that has been seen to vote in majority to not integrate voice. I totally agree. Those people have already chosen how they want to communicate when they joined a text-based world, and no individual or group of individuals should be able to impinge on their rights, including the minority that are clamoring for voice. The world doesn't revolve around them either.



If you want to check someone for dictating your communication options to you, check yourself. Where does it say "voice enabled" in the service description on the website? Neither one of us has been around here long enough to talk like we're being denied something by these people's desires because we never played SL with voice integration in the first place, still don't, and neither one of us has quit because of it.

And what if what people are fearing comes true as has already been witnessed by many on the beta platform and refusal to use voice gets people ignored. Does the use of voice by others not then dictate to everyone else what communication mediums they have available for use? Of course you'll say that's paranoia, but when this behavior has already been reported many times it becomes anything but. This is not a concern reserved for the deaf. There are a lot of people who have expressed no interest in moving from text who may face the same problems. How is ostracizing them all providing Equal Opportunity, and who then is trying to put their personal desires above those of the group?

I just don't want to be that person that people have to act different to in SL. I get enough of that in RL and Second Life has been nice in that respect. You being a disability advocate has made me feel terrible for being deaf and not wanting voice in talk. Shame on the OP for not wanting it??? Is that same shame directed at me as well? I think you need to reverse that shame to yourself. You really should try being a little more pleasant instead of the unnecessary anger directed towards the OP. The whole voice implementation really disappoints me, because now I may not be able to enjoy second life as I had before.