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I came here because SL DID NOT have voice

Alpha Oe
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07-29-2007 11:21
It seems there are many reason people do }not wish to use voice, Allow me to state mine;
I am Married in my Real Life, I have a wife in my Secondlife for the couple years, So far I have been able to explain Secondife away to her by telling her "I'm killing bad guys", lately it is becoming much harder to do so with all the skinless bald erect newbies running around everywhere as it is'
Voice.....I care deeply for my SL wife, We share everything our love, our fears, our joy, When I tell her I love her, or how beautiful she is, it is now just taps on a keyboard one can overhear in my home, with voice, I fear, would cause many more problems in keeping the peace in my home, "Just killing bad guys!" (voice){I've missed you baby, Come cuddle with me for awhile while we decide where to go}...I think you can see where I'm going with this, it maybe I am the only one married in RL on SL with a spouse here, and the problem is unique to myself, But I fear for my relationship here.
My voice is a good voice, I have no hearing problems, I am well spoken in voice atleast, My SL wife and I have spoken a number of times in the past over the years, but those times were when I was alone, with no-one to overhear. Yes I use headphones, that part I can hide, but I cannot hide my own voice as I respond to those within earshot of me.
Cherry Czervik
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07-29-2007 14:25
From: Colette Meiji
You are right - It is optional.

However it being standard WILL be used as leverage in attempts to try to force people to use it.

Its not really Linden Labs at fault for that. Its just how some people are.

I think thats all anyone's trying to say. They dont want people using it as leverage against them.

They dont want pre-judged accused of lying, hiding, whatever.

They dont want their friends drifiting away from them becuase they dont voice, They dont want to be left out of things.

If you havent seen how whiny, pleady or downright nasty people who want non-voicers to voice with you can be, that is good. It does happen though, many would rather not experience that on a daily basis.

Its optional but if you choose "NO" your choice will not go respected by everyone.


Well all you say is true Colette, I'll have to admit that is the case.

But yanno, it's down to us all to fight against all that crap. People don't want to talk to me, I must be ugly, but perhaps I will get people whining at me. I'm blase enough to not care what is said but I guess that's not true for everyone and I am not seeing it from a point of view of someone who does get hassles.

Guess people just need to be as unappealing as I am :)

All flippancy aside, I really do think people will simply not care and/or will use it with their friends and loved ones and that's all.
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07-29-2007 15:17
From: Cherry Czervik
Well all you say is true Colette, I'll have to admit that is the case.

But yanno, it's down to us all to fight against all that crap. People don't want to talk to me, I must be ugly, but perhaps I will get people whining at me. I'm blase enough to not care what is said but I guess that's not true for everyone and I am not seeing it from a point of view of someone who does get hassles.

Guess people just need to be as unappealing as I am :)

All flippancy aside, I really do think people will simply not care and/or will use it with their friends and loved ones and that's all.

I've been saying the same thing all along. People can TRY to coerce, intimidate, cajole, insult, and marginalize me. They won't suceed, but if that's how they wan't to get their jollies, go for it. I don't have time to wast one them.
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Savannah Christensen
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07-29-2007 18:59
From: Alpha Oe
It seems there are many reason people do }not wish to use voice, Allow me to state mine;
I am Married in my Real Life, I have a wife in my Secondlife for the couple years, So far I have been able to explain Secondife away to her by telling her "I'm killing bad guys", lately it is becoming much harder to do so with all the skinless bald erect newbies running around everywhere as it is'
Voice.....I care deeply for my SL wife, We share everything our love, our fears, our joy, When I tell her I love her, or how beautiful she is, it is now just taps on a keyboard one can overhear in my home, with voice, I fear, would cause many more problems in keeping the peace in my home, "Just killing bad guys!" (voice){I've missed you baby, Come cuddle with me for awhile while we decide where to go}...I think you can see where I'm going with this, it maybe I am the only one married in RL on SL with a spouse here, and the problem is unique to myself, But I fear for my relationship here.
My voice is a good voice, I have no hearing problems, I am well spoken in voice atleast, My SL wife and I have spoken a number of times in the past over the years, but those times were when I was alone, with no-one to overhear. Yes I use headphones, that part I can hide, but I cannot hide my own voice as I respond to those within earshot of me.



So the reason you dont want to use voice features is because you dont want your RL wife to know you're a liar and you're unfaithful.

Nothing personal, but it just brings me back to my previous statement when I said that people dont know how to seperate SL from RL... and your post is just a perfect example of my reasoning for stating that.

While this may not pertain to you... there are so many people who constantly jeopardize not only their REAL life relationships and commitments, but several who have also put SL so far ahead of their REAL LIFE that not only their relationships are struggling, but their jobs, and in many cases their children are suffering also. It's not just D&D players who are neglecting their kids for online "entertainment" it's people here too... and I cant help but feel that this GAME, and far too many users, are trying too hard to take away every aspect of what "virtual" is... and the voice feature is a MAJOR part of that.
Colette Meiji
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07-29-2007 19:00
From: Cherry Czervik
Well all you say is true Colette, I'll have to admit that is the case.

But yanno, it's down to us all to fight against all that crap. People don't want to talk to me, I must be ugly, but perhaps I will get people whining at me. I'm blase enough to not care what is said but I guess that's not true for everyone and I am not seeing it from a point of view of someone who does get hassles.

Guess people just need to be as unappealing as I am :)

All flippancy aside, I really do think people will simply not care and/or will use it with their friends and loved ones and that's all.


Some people are less able to tolerate criticism and pressure than others.

Thats always going to be true.

Your right its up to us to fight that crap - thats why we speak up on the forums. But some close minded peopel dont want to hear anything negative becuase they assume that means we want the plug pulled on their new gizmo.
Carli Dancer
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Voice will be awesome for Verification!
07-29-2007 19:11
From: Blah Allen
I was born hearing impaired,I was able to have a operation to restore a very small amount of hearing in my left ear.I can hear some music and DJs speak but never put on my head phones unless I am working at my SL job.I have never had a hard time in SL,99% of the large clubs and attractions have voice turned off.Do not worry to much about it ,89% of the females in SL are males who will tell you they have no mic or will come up with a reason not to speak,Lots of typing will still be used.


There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!

We will know once and for all that ...




...They arent really Men.
Savannah Christensen
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07-29-2007 19:22
From: Carli Dancer
There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!

We will know once and for all that ...




...They arent really Men.



Well, voice will also determine which women avatars (who also have women's voices) are really 5'9 super-goddesses in RL who weigh 120 lbs, and have DD's between those who are anything BUT attractive.
Carli Dancer
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07-29-2007 19:25
From: Savannah Christensen
Well, voice will also determine which women avatars (who also have women's voices) are really 5'9 super-goddesses in RL who weigh 120 lbs, and have DD's between those who are anything BUT attractive.


The subject of my previous post is Male players and Male Avatars.
Savannah Christensen
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07-29-2007 20:04
and mine was about women players and women avatars :P
Alpha Oe
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07-29-2007 20:09
So the reason you dont want to use voice features is because you dont want your RL wife to know you're a liar and you're unfaithful.

Correct
JeanGenie Jewell
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07-30-2007 02:45
From: Monalisa Robbiani
I am a woman and I simple refuse to voice chat because it invades my privacy. All the ugly suspicions going on about which female av is a guy just disgust me. SL is a virtual world, and if some miserable guy has to buy a pixel escort to get some pleasure, he buys an *illusion*. THere are even guys that work as female phone sex "escorts" by high level voice acting. If you want a verified woman get one in RL and stop suspecting us non-voicers.

I agree 100% with you!
Monalisa Robbiani
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07-30-2007 09:32
From: Carli Dancer
There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!


There is only one species of users that wants to "sort them out": Horny lame guys that cannot afford a RL hooker (not to speak of a RL partner) and have to get a pixel animation to make them j*rk *ff, but are too lame to understand that when you pay the fee for a pixel hooker you also GET a pixel hooker and nothing more. Why you just don't get it: Pixel hookers might be controlled by men. And I even think they are able to produce the most "satisfying" results because they really know male desires ;)

Everyone else with a regular RL sex life who enjoys a harmless roleplay from time to time will have no need for voice because they take the avatars as what they are: fantasy figures, regardless of their real life gender, age, location or species.

It's just a "game" after all.. if it wasn't escorts would have to be banned because of the law in most of the US states.

n.b. im not really a cat ... now I blew my charading cover ;)
Carli Dancer
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07-30-2007 10:17
From: Monalisa Robbiani
There is only one species of users that wants to "sort them out": Horny lame guys that cannot afford a RL hooker (not to speak of a RL partner) and have to get a pixel animation to make them j*rk *ff, but are too lame to understand that when you pay the fee for a pixel hooker you also GET a pixel hooker and nothing more. Why you just don't get it: Pixel hookers might be controlled by men. And I even think they are able to produce the most "satisfying" results because they really know male desires ;)


See - thats what I am suggesting, that we can use voice to out those lame guys. I dont kow about you but Im tired of them coming onto me. Ill stick with people who have more class.

They are so busy thinking voice will help them find the real women, they are forgetting how unatractive they will be when they are using voice.

You would not really even have to voice to get it to work! Just don't bother voicing with any Male Avs. You will avoid most of them that way.
Kascha Matova
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07-30-2007 13:19
From: Carli Dancer
There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!

We will know once and for all that ...




...They arent really Men.



In the immortal words of Chilli Palmer in "Be Cool",

"It is impossible that you're this stupid."

Please tell me you and the person who was posting below this quoted comment do not really believe that you will gain insight into what a person really looks like simply from hearing their voice. Please. Did the person below you actually claim you will be able to figure out which women are really 5'9 goddesses when they are obviously women talking, SIMPLY by hearing their voices? How exactly will voice accomplish this?

Someone - anyone. Please tell me my reading skills have completely deteriorated and I have lost the ability to recognize sarcasm when I see it.
Carli Dancer
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07-30-2007 13:36
From: Kascha Matova
In the immortal words of Chilli Palmer in "Be Cool",

"It is impossible that you're this stupid."

Please tell me you and the person who was posting below this quoted comment do not really believe that you will gain insight into what a person really looks like simply from hearing their voice. Please. Did the person below you actually claim you will be able to figure out which women are really 5'9 goddesses when they are obviously women talking, SIMPLY by hearing their voices? How exactly will voice accomplish this?

Someone - anyone. Please tell me my reading skills have completely deteriorated and I have lost the ability to recognize sarcasm when I see it.



My post was not about finding out their RL looks at all.
Tybalt Brando
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07-30-2007 14:09
From: Carli Dancer
My post was not about finding out their RL looks at all.



At this point even though I am pro-voice (Well not so much pro-voice but more "I don't care it's already here so quit whining about it";) I would like to just state that Carli's views are not shared by ALL people who want voice or whatnot and instead should be blamed on the consuming of large quantities of lead paint chips.
Kascha Matova
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07-30-2007 14:10
From: Carli Dancer
My post was not about finding out their RL looks at all.


So the term "hawt" has no connection whatsoever with physical appearance then. Okay, which additional character traits do you feel will be identifiable and verifiable by listening to someone's voice?

Whether or not they are college educated?
How much money they make?
Their RL savoir-faire when dealing with people face to face?
Whether or not their clothing is trendy as befits the "Rico Suave" avatar they use in SL

Hmmm...If we can tell half of the things about someone's RL persona that you seem to thing we can merely from voice, where then is the counter-argument to people claiming that voice represents an invasion of privacy?

Something must give. Either voice is not the beacon of truth you make it out to be, or voice is as much of a privacy invasion as an address and photo. Which is it?

Ri-cooooo! Suaaaave!!! :)
Savannah Christensen
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07-30-2007 14:53
From: someone
Ri-cooooo! Suaaaave!!!


Funny... I was just talking about that song and how I actually had to go see that guy in concert years ago. I know it's unrelated, and rather stupid... but I found it so very amusing all the same.
Carli Dancer
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07-30-2007 14:56
From: Kascha Matova
So the term "hawt" has no connection whatsoever with physical appearance then. Okay, which additional character traits do you feel will be identifiable and verifiable by listening to someone's voice?


None

From: Kascha Matova

Whether or not they are college educated?
How much money they make?
Their RL savoir-faire when dealing with people face to face?
Whether or not their clothing is trendy as befits the "Rico Suave" avatar they use in SL


None of the above

From: Kascha Matova

Hmmm...If we can tell half of the things about someone's RL persona that you seem to thing we can merely from voice, where then is the counter-argument to people claiming that voice represents an invasion of privacy?


You cant and it is.

From: Kascha Matova

Something must give. Either voice is not the beacon of truth you make it out to be,


its not


From: Kascha Matova

or voice is as much of a privacy invasion as an address and photo.


It is
Kascha Matova
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07-30-2007 15:02
From: Savannah Christensen
Funny... I was just talking about that song and how I actually had to go see that guy in concert years ago. I know it's unrelated, and rather stupid... but I found it so very amusing all the same.



Yes indeed. I think I'm gonna bring that back. With a little help from everyone's favorite voice client of course! - hehehe :)

C'mon everybody sing it with me! Ri-cooooooo....
Carli Dancer
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07-30-2007 15:03
OKAY Ill esplain. After I eat some more tasty paint chips.


Lets say you change this post by changing the last word ..

From: Carli Dancer
There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!

We will know once and for all that ...




...They arent really Men.



Then you get this - the wonderfully inaccurate bunch of nonsense Blah was talking about. The age old fear of gender benders.

From: Carli Dancer
There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!

We will know once and for all that ...




...They arent really WOMEN.



NOW .. change it back with the word Men at the end

From: Carli Dancer
There is a huge number of lame, nerdy guys who live in the mother's basement prancing around in real sexay AVS saying all this nonsense of how hawt they are in real life. Voice will help us sort these guys out!!

We will know once and for all that ...




...They arent really Men.



Tada

Or would you consider guys who try to force women to talk to them on voice and insult them if they wont "Men"?
Tybalt Brando
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07-30-2007 15:18
From: Kascha Matova

Ri-cooooo! Suaaaave!!! :)



I have that song stuck in my head now. Thanks
Kascha Matova
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07-30-2007 15:37
From: Tybalt Brando
I have that song stuck in my head now. Thanks



And my faithful seed planting bears fruit! Ah, the joys of mental anguish! :)
Tybalt Brando
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07-30-2007 16:18
From: Kascha Matova
And my faithful seed planting bears fruit! Ah, the joys of mental anguish! :)



Somebody you'll show up somehwere I am DJing....


and then it's banana phone for you
Kascha Matova
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07-30-2007 17:04
From: Tybalt Brando
Somebody you'll show up somehwere I am DJing....


and then it's banana phone for you


Oh for the love of God nooooooooo! Nothing about that sounds good! :)
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