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Blot Brickworks
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09-23-2008 06:54
From: Brenda Connolly
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Dancien Graves
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09-23-2008 06:59
From: Conan Godwin
I have spent the last two days exploring a well known unofficial forum, but found the average IQ there to be significantly lower than here. Also, significantly lower than lettuce.


So you troll one thread over there, find out you're about a smart as a bag of hammers and then come back here crying? Go take some midol princess. It's pretty awesome that your two main contributions to that forum are several offensive posts about abortion/adoption and touching a man while he's pissing.


From: someone

Nasayers would have had us believe that the lack of moderation would have Residents' Answers collapse into an orgy of back-biting and flaming.


Actually I don't like the official forums due to the fact it's over moderated and for years they have not been able to figure out
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Marcel Flatley
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09-23-2008 06:59
From: Brenda Connolly
As much as the regulars of both places won't admit it, both places are alike in many ways. Once you take away the technical differences of the forums themselves, and the setup/moderation, they are both places where people get together and have discussions. Friendships are formed, fights break out, miscreants come specifically to get people's panties in a bunch, as evidenced by recent events*Conan* clear out your inbox*. But in the end, people act as people do when thrown together, and no group is any better than the other, no matter what any individual in that group may tell themself. I always find this us vs them stuff silly, about as silly as a Wndows vs Mac vs Linux debate.


And Brenda wins teh Interwebz for today!

Indeed, both "sides" are a bunch of people thrown together, with good and bad. Now I did not feel a bit "at home" at the other side, maybe because the few discussions I did read were on the level of lettuce :-) Furthermore, I do not like the design a bit, but that is personal. Myself, I choose this old fashioned style way above the style of for example SLU. Says more about me then them probably ;) But that does not mean the people here or there are better or worse. It just means it is not for me.

One thing strikes me odd though. Two people already mentioned that they did not post here, because they could get suspended/banned in-world. Now that really really makes me wonder about their discussing abilities. Because as long as you stay more or less polite and respectful towards each other, how can you get suspended? I would not hesitate to get into a discussion with a Linden/resmod on this forum, and I am sure it would not result in a ban. As long as I use proper language and good arguments, I am pretty sure about that. And believe me, I tried my best on other fora to disagree with mods ;)
So either you do not post here because of hear-say, or because you tend to use improper language/disrespect in your discussions. If it is the first, I would say: try and come back, its nice here! If it is the second: have fun over at the other side :cool:
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09-23-2008 07:00
From: Beathag McMahon
Very well said.
I'm not dissing any place - but childishness like that shown in the OP is annoying.


Just as annoying as the childishness that happens over there. Some of it in that very same thread.
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Marianne McCann
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09-23-2008 07:01
Me peeks in, realizes this thread is all a-drama, and zips out of the room
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Nina Stepford
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09-23-2008 07:01
it was my experience that is actually how people react to your posts or how they choose to debate you that shapes your experience at slu. you can refrain from personal attacks all you want, but if somebody calls you a troll enough times you end up getting disqualified.
if one were to look at my posting history at slu one would see that overall i debated in an on-topic, non ad hominem fashion. most usually my tactic was to simply repeat the question, note that it had not been answered, then ask it again. i will be very stubborn while staying on topic and will not allow myself to be pulled off track. in contrast, those on the other side frequently engaged in name calling and the like. it seemed the topic wasnt as important as proving to 'the audience' that nina was a racist, nina was a liar, nina was a troll, etc. the joy isnt in making a point or a compelling argument; its in the 'thanks' and agree' counts.
oh, sorry. you did say 'difficult, not 'impossible'.
From: Aodhan McDunnough
It's really difficult to get banned in SLU if you know how to argue or debate things in a proper fashion.


no, people _responded_ to you in a proper manner, and most likely because they either like you or are apathetic to you. if you were not a popular person you can be sure that an equally unpopular opinion would draw fire, even if it were indeed a painful reality.
From: Aodhan McDunnough
It's not the disagreeing nor taking an unpopular opinion. Heck, a good number of my points have been unpopular, if only because they were very painful realities. But I present them in a proper manner.


well, that sooz though. you know full well that there are many people on slu that would find such an exchange impossible.
From: Aodhan McDunnough
It's not the length of debate either. I had a three page debate with Sooz where the two of us accounted for over 80% of the posts and each post was very long. It was the first time I've ever seen a long hot debate thread actually *conclude* and Sooz and I were so grateful to each other for having argued in proper fashion all throughout.

no, its a matter of who it is that you engage, and how close they are to the admin ;)
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Getting banned is a matter of how you comport yourself.
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learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned!
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Nina Stepford
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09-23-2008 07:01
i disagree.
seriously, that is totally off base.
isnt it strange how well i can get on with people over here, and the lack of drama surrounding me?
From: Sarah Nerd
Oh so there we have the root of this thread. People are seldom banned. It takes a lot, and I mean a lot of problems for a regular to be banned. The others are quickly banned when it's obvious they came there for the sole purpose of starting problems. I think that must be where you fall.
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pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html
learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned!
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
Nina Stepford
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09-23-2008 07:05
at least we are all subject to the same level of admining.
there isnt a person or group of people allowed to run lose off the lead tearing into people and derailing every discussion they partake in with complete impunity.
From: Dancien Graves
Actually I don't like the official forums due to the fact it's over moderated and for years they have not been able to figure out
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SLU - ban em then bash em!
~~GREATEST HITS~~
pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/zomgwtfbbqgtfololcats/15428-disingenuous.html
learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned!
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
FlipperPA Peregrine
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09-23-2008 07:06
So let me get this right...

The original post is calling a third party forum nasty, biting, and a horrible environment, while posting the biggest kind of troll post I've ever witnessed, a cross forum drama invoker? Why not just post your opinions over there, rather than waiting for someone to link back to here? My troll meter just exploded after it passed 11.

Also, keep in mind this is an election year; one big difference between SLU and here is that SLU has section for non-SL related discussions, including POLITICS and RELIGION. Those topics always inspire passionate debate, that yes, sometimes gets nasty. Every forum with a POLITICAL section during a U.S. election year gets overly-emotional. That doesn't mean the people have low-IQs.

And it doesn't mean they have a monopoly on trolls, either, as the original poster has so eloquently shown with this thread. This ongoing argument about which forum is superior is as boring to me as "tastes great/less filling" or "Mac versus PC" - can't we just say "different stokes for different folks" or "live and let live" instead? I enjoy both forums and don't see why people can't just choose by their own taste instead of trying to tear another place down.

What say you, Conan the Barbarian? ;)

Regards,

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Kitty Barnett
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09-23-2008 07:11
From: Ann Launay
I'm just baffled when I read things about how 'mean' it is over there, or how new users get abused...it makes me feel like I'm visiting a completely different forum than some of you apparently are, even though I know I'm not.
Everyone seems to abuse everyone else habitually:p.

I read SC for the drama and after its members brought on its own demise and gravitated over there, SLU just turned into more of the same.

From: FlipperPA Peregrine
The original post is calling a third party forum nasty, biting, and a horrible environment, while posting the biggest kind of troll post I've ever witnessed, a cross forum drama invoker? Why not just post your opinions over there, rather than waiting for someone to link back to here?
Uhm... isn't that exactly what happens on SLU rather regularly? The official forums and even the people who post here (as a group, not individually) are habitually ridiculed and scorned.

This thread was a rather thinveiled excuse for the OP to poke some stabs at SLU, but it pales in comparision of what happens over on SLU.
Vivianne Draper
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09-23-2008 07:12
From: Nina Stepford
i disagree.
seriously, that is totally off base.
isnt it strange how well i can get on with people over here, and the lack of drama surrounding me?


no
Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 07:13
From: Madhu Maruti
1 poster agreed: Madhu Maruti.

I like both fora. I have made more of what I'd call "friends" here, but that is more because of my time spent at the in-world hangout than because of anything happening on the forum itself. And, in both places there are people I like more and people I like less, though I just try not to engage the people I like less rather than actively get into fights with them.

Folks who only visit SLU occasionally might not realize that there has been an enormous change there in the past couple of weeks. An extremely prolific poster - someone whose post count was perhaps twice that of anyone else on the board - has left the community (for reasons unknown to me). He was such a dominant presence (whether you like him or not) that his absence is palpable, to me anyhow, and it will be interesting to see whether and how the tone of the community changes as it evolves without him.


There is another dynamic over there that is absent here to an extent . The regulars there are incredibly tight, because of the open discussion format, they share their personal lives deeply, many meet in RL, or talk on the phone , or get together at SLcc. Also the board has a chat room, so while they are talking in the forum, some are also chatting in the chatroom, and also they use that twitter thingie, whatever that is. There really is a sense of community/family there, and it is akin to a dysfunctional one at times, but they will circle the wagons for each other, and won't take too kindly to outsiders slagging them in the same manner as they will do each other. If you go over there looking for a fight, that is what you will get.

That being said, it doesn't take much to be welcomed into the family. just a little sincerity in wanting to belong, some humor and a bit of a thicker skin. I lurked for a month or so before posting there, getting the feel of the place. It distresses me at times, I have the entire Politics/religion Forum on Ignore. *A geat feature, the abilty to ignore entire sub forums*

In the end, "It's only a forum. No one dies". ;)

Good Morning Walker, wherever you may be.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 07:15
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
So let me get this right...

The original post is calling a third party forum nasty, biting, and a horrible environment, while posting the biggest kind of troll post I've ever witnessed, a cross forum drama invoker? Why not just post your opinions over there, rather than waiting for someone to link back to here? My troll meter just exploded after it passed 11.

Also, keep in mind this is an election year; one big difference between SLU and here is that SLU has section for non-SL related discussions, including POLITICS and RELIGION. Those topics always inspire passionate debate, that yes, sometimes gets nasty. Every forum with a POLITICAL section during a U.S. election year gets overly-emotional. That doesn't mean the people have low-IQs.

And it doesn't mean they have a monopoly on trolls, either, as the original poster has so eloquently shown with this thread. This ongoing argument about which forum is superior is as boring to me as "tastes great/less filling" or "Mac versus PC" - can't we just say "different stokes for different folks" or "live and let live" instead? I enjoy both forums and don't see why people can't just choose by their own taste instead of trying to tear another place down.

What say you, Conan the Barbarian? ;)

Regards,

-Flip


Oh yeah?...well the Phillies still suck! And the cheesteak was really invented in Brooklyn! And Rocky Balboa is a moron.....
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Hiro Queso
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09-23-2008 07:15
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
So let me get this right...

The original post is calling a third party forum nasty, biting, and a horrible environment, while posting the biggest kind of troll post I've ever witnessed, a cross forum drama invoker? Why not just post your opinions over there, rather than waiting for someone to link back to here? My troll meter just exploded after it passed 11.

Also, keep in mind this is an election year; one big difference between SLU and here is that SLU has section for non-SL related discussions, including POLITICS and RELIGION. Those topics always inspire passionate debate, that yes, sometimes gets nasty. Every forum with a POLITICAL section during a U.S. election year gets overly-emotional. That doesn't mean the people have low-IQs.

And it doesn't mean they have a monopoly on trolls, either, as the original poster has so eloquently shown with this thread. This ongoing argument about which forum is superior is as boring to me as "tastes great/less filling" or "Mac versus PC" - can't we just say "different stokes for different folks" or "live and let live" instead? I enjoy both forums and don't see why people can't just choose by their own taste instead of trying to tear another place down.

What say you, Conan the Barbarian? ;)

Regards,

-Flip


Well said, Flip!
Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 07:17
From: Nina Stepford
at least we are all subject to the same level of admining.
there isnt a person or group of people allowed to run lose off the lead tearing into people and derailing every discussion they partake in with complete impunity.

I can only do so much, Nina.
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Vivianne Draper
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09-23-2008 07:18
From: Kitty Barnett
Everyone seems to abuse everyone else habitually:p.

I read SC for the drama and after its members brought on its own demise and gravitated over there, SLU just turned into more of the same.



yeah there's no drama or trolls here at all :rolleyes:
Walker Moore
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09-23-2008 07:18
From: Brenda Connolly

In the end, "It's only a forum. No one dies". ;)

Good Morning Walker, wherever you may be.


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Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 07:19
From: Marianne McCann
I read over there from time to time, but I don't feel too comfy there. 'sides, this is 'home" more.

That's because we let you sit at the Big Person's table here, Mari. :)
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09-23-2008 07:21
From: Walker Moore


I'm bogarting all your smilies. You have the best collection I've ever seen. Especially the suicide..... :cool:
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09-23-2008 07:22
From: Brenda Connolly
I'm bogarting all your smilies. You have the best collection I've ever seen. Especially the suicide..... :cool:


Which one? I have three.

That's not a good thing is it? :D
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Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 07:22
From: Vivianne Draper
yeah there's no drama or trolls here at all :rolleyes:


Once again, I can only do so much by myself.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-23-2008 07:23
From: Walker Moore
Which one? I have three.

That's not a good thing is it? :D

All of them. I WANT THEM ALL!!!!!!

Actually ONLY three probably is a good thing fpr you.!
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Beathag McMahon
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09-23-2008 07:24
From: Brenda Connolly
Just as annoying as the childishness that happens over there. Some of it in that very same thread.


Oh yeah - not denying it hun. I ignore a whole lot of stuff over there. (Including the whole damned Politics forum. It is Teh Evol. (Can I say "damned" here?))I just post there because I happened to find it and was made to feel at home.
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Nina Stepford
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09-23-2008 07:25
no?
yesterday you said 'you sow what you reap'.
if you call somebody 'a lying bitch' you should not be surprised when they make a forceful effort to prove you wrong.
you also said 'people must be responsible for their actions'. so, when they do prove you wrong maybe you should just own up rather than... well we both know how the story goes hey.
in any case its all there for anyone to read. i dont really need to experience more of you over here.
From: Vivianne Draper
no
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pro-life? gtfo! slu- banning opposing opinions one at a time
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learn to shut up and nod in agreement... or be banned!
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/off-topic/1239-americans-not-stupid.html
Lexxi Gynoid
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09-23-2008 07:35
From: Madhu Maruti
1 poster agreed: Madhu Maruti.

I like both fora. I have made more of what I'd call "friends" here, but that is more because of my time spent at the in-world hangout than because of anything happening on the forum itself. And, in both places there are people I like more and people I like less, though I just try not to engage the people I like less rather than actively get into fights with them.

Folks who only visit SLU occasionally might not realize that there has been an enormous change there in the past couple of weeks. An extremely prolific poster - someone whose post count was perhaps twice that of anyone else on the board - has left the community (for reasons unknown to me). He was such a dominant presence (whether you like him or not) that his absence is palpable, to me anyhow, and it will be interesting to see whether and how the tone of the community changes as it evolves without him.

I didn't know he left. I thought he was just moving to Australia and hadn't set something up there yet to get onto the board. Or something like that.
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