As You Like It - Men Becoming Women
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11-23-2008 23:42
From: Klunitz Aeon
As for guys that don't like men in women avatars, we know that people are freaked out by the idea, that isn't new information. The only thing most of us in here could do on that topic, was to express our own personal views. And ... to remind you that it probably isn't going to change, so if it's too hard to handle, then you shouldn't be in SL of all places.
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Agreed! and if you don't want to be mugged then you shouldn't leave your apartment. Muggers aren't going to just go away, people!. They have needs too!. Just don't go outside and there wont be any problems! You idiots! |
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11-24-2008 00:10
From: 4318723350112047 String Agreed!
and if you don't want to be mugged then you shouldn't leave your apartment.
Muggers aren't going to just go away, people!. They have needs too!.
Just don't go outside and there wont be any problems! You idiots! Although it's a troll, it does bring up a good point. How nice would it be to be able to "X" out of RL and come back to it later, or not at all if given the choice? |
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11-24-2008 00:46
From: Klunitz Aeon How nice would it be to be able to "X" out of RL and come back to it later, or not at all if given the choice? Err.. that wasn't the point. |
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11-24-2008 01:42
Wasn't SL actually designed to make you feel who or whatever you want to be? Female player, player as a female here. I just don't like to pose as a male, because, well, I can't stance that "dominant" behaviour very well. People easily see through me  But usually I'm an Anime like figure, that seems very female as well. And when I'm dressing up as a child version of it, many men stop bothering me. And yes, some people IM me about having sex, while I have the figure of a 10 year old. That kinda scares me. These are serious sick people. Even though SL is just a virtual makebelieve, most of the time.
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11-24-2008 02:33
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11-24-2008 03:10
From: Avawyn Muircastle My only dislike of this is that it hurts others and has caused men to be aloof and distant if a female avie is not on mic now. Dear, that happens to male avatars as well. The problem you're seeing isn't gender, it's voice. |
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11-24-2008 03:13
From: Imnotgoing Sideways How does all this RL marriage mess apply to the OP? (O.o) It's a really effective fake-debating technique called "muddying the waters". If you do it in a formal debate you should lose points big time. |
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11-24-2008 03:15
From: Klunitz Aeon Although it's a troll, it does bring up a good point. How nice would it be to be able to "X" out of RL and come back to it later, or not at all if given the choice? Well, you can "X" out of it, but you don't get to come back. |
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11-24-2008 03:58
From: Klunitz Aeon So, because you're proven wrong time and time again, that constitutes as juvenile? You tell me to look it up for myself, I do and you resort to getting all butt hurt (no pun intended) when the "facts" you state aren't right? As for some of the questions I asked you, they were directed to you because you're the only one who can answer them. When I present to you what encarta lists as sexual intercourse (showing vaginal as an example, and not the end-all that beats-all) and ask you what else you feel is considered sexual intercourse based on those facts, you ignore them and move right along to sprouting out a different point on the topic, and continue to tell me to look it up, when I already did. No amount of internet searching is going to tell me what else you would constitute as sexual intercourse since the definition you had me look up does not fit your description. Perhaps you can crack open your out of date Encarta, and read the section that explains what else you would consider as sexual intercourse. Now, since we agree on the definition of consummation, I will cite you the page that states the definition of sexual intercourse. http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=sexual+intercourseYou're completely entitled to your opinion, if you think gay marriage is wrong, then kudos to you for that, however, don't hide behind false information if you're going to do so. It's okay to be a bigot, that doesn't make you a bad person. It's really easy ... "The idea of same-sex marriage makes me uncomfortable, and I just don't like it." Proving your facts wrong does not mean it has to change your mind, but you should at least be honest with yourself as to why you are against something. As for your "research" into how women are more "romantic" in a man's eyes, please post any information you find on the subject, I would be very interested to read your findings. It may even open up a decent conversation amongst residents on the forums. As for guys that don't like men in women avatars, we know that people are freaked out by the idea, that isn't new information. The only thing most of us in here could do on that topic, was to express our own personal views. And ... to remind you that it probably isn't going to change, so if it's too hard to handle, then you shouldn't be in SL of all places. You stated a problem you had, we offered you the easiest solution, nothing more. And to cap, just so you're aware, I have no animosity towards you, and I don't have any problem with your beliefs out of respect for your beliefs, however I am also entitled to mine. I just don't understand the whole "facts" scenerio. If you ask someone to look up information and you happen to be wrong about it, that doesn't mean you have to get upset about it. That's like me saying the sky is green and then refusing to look up when someone tries to show me that it's actually blue. I can still say that I prefer green more, but I can't deny the truth without looking like a total ass. In law, the word especially means exclusively... exclusive to... And yes, the two types of intercourse, sexual intercourse and anal intercourse, are still separated (in law) because of cases of rape. Recently a newspaper headline said "Police officer denies Sodomy charges", for instance. And some of you call me a troll for no reason at all. Marriage was brought up because a poster on here said "all man want it or fantasize about it, so what's the difference" meaning sex with a man on SL and it seemed to be their reason for dressing as a female on SL. I then made my posts to explain that NO == ALL MEN DO NOT WANT THAT for cryin' out loud! And I then explained the reason it has been talked about in recent years by heterosexuals is because of the gay marriage issue. So, back to the topic that females are the new dominant sex. My answer would be: No one informed me. Women have been discriminated against for centuries. I still don't think a working career Mom with kids gets the respect she deserves for all the work she does being bread winner and major care taker of home and children. I know some women who are still up at midnight trying to catch up on laundry after getting the kids home from school, getting dinner ready, doing dishes, doing homework, getting baths ready and kids off the tv, reading bedtime stories, etc, etc, while trying to get a little housework done and the laundry 'til midnight. Then get up at 6 to take a shower and make school lunches, drive the kids to school and then go and start a whole work day, and then pick up the kids and start all over again. Women I'd say are the exhausted sex, but new empowered sex? Where does the op get this info or why do you think that women have that? |
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11-24-2008 04:02
From: 4318723350112047 String Agreed!
and if you don't want to be mugged then you shouldn't leave your apartment.
Muggers aren't going to just go away, people!. They have needs too!.
Just don't go outside and there wont be any problems! You idiots! Scenario: Guy flirts with an SL girlieboi: Result: He gets emotionally butthurt for getting his hopes up over a faker. (^_^) Scenario: Guy faces a mugger in a dark alley: Result: 3 spent bullets, 1 month worth of identity theft, and a funeral procession. (^_^) Hmmmm... Good comparison. (^_^)y |
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11-24-2008 04:41
meh, I check back into the thread and it's turned into proposition 8 debate. I could argue until i'm blue in the face about proposition 8, it wont do any good. The fact is there are people who actually do not see the fundamental flaws in their logic when discussing the issue. I'm a liberal, and gay, and so of course my views go without saying - but i've given up trying to argue them against totallitarian attitudes.
The time will never come when all citizens give all other citizens respect, there will always be struggles for justice, and there will always be those prepared to fight and deny justice. There will always be belief that each side of whatever debate is correct, but there will never be agreement, just blood spilled.
You just cant argue against belief, it is inflexible, that is the point of it.
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11-24-2008 04:42
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Scenario: Guy flirts with an SL girlieboi: Result: He gets emotionally butthurt for getting his hopes up over a faker. (^_^)
Scenario: Guy faces a mugger in a dark alley: Result: 3 spent bullets, 1 month worth of identity theft, and a funeral procession. (^_^)
Hmmmm... Good comparison. (^_^)y Hmmmnn.. Thank you.(  ) |
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11-24-2008 04:54
From: Bekka Hax
You just cant argue against belief.
i believe we can and we will. what else am i gonna do with my keyboard dammit? |
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11-24-2008 05:06
From: 4318723350112047 String what else am i gonna do with my keyboard dammit? You really want an answer to that one?  Gah! I can't believe this thread is still going on. You've outdone yourself this time Jig. Well played...well played indeed.
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11-24-2008 05:39
From: Jerboa Haystack You really want an answer to that one? Gah! I can't believe this thread is still going on. You've outdone yourself this time Jig. Well played...well played indeed.  |
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11-24-2008 05:54
From: Bith Wierwight I missed the memo: women are now dominant? Sheesh, and we were just going for equality. You missed a huge memo. Who do you think owns and operates our entire mating system anyway? The hand that rocks the cradle. That's the problem too with feminists...they're so pitifully short sighted, begging to be "equal" to males when in reality the Female has always been and will always be the superior gender (not in an ego sense). We've *always* been the dominant gender and always will be. We're the ones who *create* the boys to begin with. If we go, it *all* goes....some men are plugged into this fact and honor women. Stupid guys without a clue still think they're calling the shots. She who owns the tang runs the world. Of course they want to be us!  |
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11-24-2008 06:42
From: Bekka Hax meh, I check back into the thread and it's turned into proposition 8 debate. I could argue until i'm blue in the face about proposition 8, it wont do any good. The fact is there are people who actually do not see the fundamental flaws in their logic when discussing the issue. I'm a liberal, and gay, and so of course my views go without saying - but i've given up trying to argue them against totallitarian attitudes.
The time will never come when all citizens give all other citizens respect, there will always be struggles for justice, and there will always be those prepared to fight and deny justice. There will always be belief that each side of whatever debate is correct, but there will never be agreement, just blood spilled.
You just cant argue against belief, it is inflexible, that is the point of it. Okay for those of us who are following this debate very closely on this thread (coz its being well-played) what is proposition 8? Is it the gay marriage proposal? The reason why I ask is coz I am not an American. Gay marriage is legal where I come from so its not a question of law or debate. Is SL becoming a frontline testing ground on the web for gay marriage? Just a question to consider, but enlighten please. 
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11-24-2008 06:44
From: Jig Chippewa Okay for those of us who are following this debate very closely on this thread (coz its being well-played) what is proposition 8? Is it the gay marriage proposal? The reason why I ask is coz I am not an American. Gay marriage is legal where I come from so its not a question of law or debate. Is SL becoming a frontline testing ground on the web for gay marriage? Just a question to consider, but enlighten please. Whatsamatter, Jig? They don't have the Googlez where you come from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(200  |
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11-24-2008 06:44
From: Jerboa Haystack You really want an answer to that one? Gah! I can't believe this thread is still going on. You've outdone yourself this time Jig. Well played...well played indeed. Thanks! Its an incredibly interesting series of comments and commentaries. But what is the Proposition 8?
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11-24-2008 06:45
From: Brenda Connolly Whatsamatter, Jig? They don't have the Googlez where you come from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(200 They do but I have all of you to give me the answers. And YOU are better than Google!
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11-24-2008 07:22
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=proposition+8The subject of gay marriage, as was being discussed in this thread and indeed prop 8 and the human rights travesty that just sent California back 20 years was mentioned earlier in this thread. I think what I was commenting too got lost track of in the rapid number of pages that appear on this thread between mouse clicks. Proposition 8 was where gay people had the right to marry in California but the religious right funded mostly by Mormons brought about a constitutional ammendment to specifically exclude gay people. In one stroke not just banning gay people from marrying, but dissolving all existing gay marriages registered in California. Gay marriages can still occur, under the guise of civil unions or domestic partnerships (I am not sure which is still legal in California) but as we already know segregation is not equality, for instance on the same day that Proposition 8 passed Tennesse I believe it was introduced a new proposition too: Only marriage couples can adopt. When a loved one is in hospital only a husband or wife is allowed by the bed side... And so on, the cultural and legal ramifications are enourmous, and marriage by another name is not marriage. It is aparteid.
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11-24-2008 07:24
From: Imnotgoing Sideways Scenario: Guy flirts with an SL girlieboi: Result: He gets emotionally butthurt for getting his hopes up over a faker. (^_^)
Scenario: Guy faces a mugger in a dark alley: Result: 3 spent bullets, 1 month worth of identity theft, and a funeral procession. (^_^)
Hmmmm... Good comparison. (^_^)y Umm he could get butthurt in another way............ Guy faces mugger in dark alley. Guy refuses mugger and draws his own weapon. A)Mugger recognizes that his victim has teeth and decides to go find greener pastures. B)Mugger has learned all he knows about gun handling from watching TV, tries to shoot his gun sideways, misses and has his gun jam, then is shot down by the armed citizen.
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11-24-2008 07:33
Oooh...new game!
Ok...I'll bite..
Guy faces Mugger in a dark alley.
Guy, having visions of Chuck Norris, refuses mugger and draws his own weapon.
a) Mugger grapples guy while his hand is in his coat, pistol-whips guy with his own gun, walks away with identity theft, and a new pistol.
b) Mugger grapples guy while his hand is in his coat, gun discharges, 50/50 guess on who takes the shot.
or my personal favorite...
c) Mugger empties his clip in cocky John Wayne guy before he could draw down.
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11-24-2008 07:55
D) Mugger's partner coldcocks the guy.
I swear, the NRA are wusses.
The point of the 2nd amendment is to ensure that the People can't be put down by standing armies. Therefore any restrictions on such weapons as are necessary for the People to whack the standing army are unconstitutional.
So anything short of weapons of mass destruction should be legitimate in private hands. That includes automatic weapons, mortars, guided missiles, conventional cruise missiles, APCs, tanks, fighter jets, etc...
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11-24-2008 08:00
From: Jerboa Haystack Oooh...new game!
Ok...I'll bite..
Guy faces Mugger in a dark alley.
Guy, having visions of Chuck Norris, refuses mugger and draws his own weapon.
a) Mugger grapples guy while his hand is in his coat, pistol-whips guy with his own gun, walks away with identity theft, and a new pistol.
b) Mugger grapples guy while his hand is in his coat, gun discharges, 50/50 guess on who takes the shot.
or my personal favorite...
c) Mugger empties his clip in cocky John Wayne guy before he could draw down. Sorry the statistics prove you wrong. Most often, mugger decides he is needed elsewhere and in a hurry.
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