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Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 16:14
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Pretty cheerful at the moment actually.


Joyful ignorance?
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12-20-2008 16:20
From: Love Hastings
Joyful ignorance?
Is that how you are currently feeling?

Pep (Or is it a permanent state?)
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Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 16:22
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Is that how you are currently feeling?

Pep (Or is it a permanent state?)


How could anybody think you a troll? The mind boggles.
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Baloo Uriza
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12-20-2008 16:23
From: Key MacMoragh
But... but... how can you talk about this, and say that there's something weird about child avatars?


Even animals are above raping their young.
Baloo Uriza
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12-20-2008 16:27
From: Lindal Kidd
She said she was a "serval", whatever that is.


Wikipedia is your friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serval
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12-20-2008 16:27
From: Love Hastings
How could anybody think you a troll? The mind boggles.
For your elucidation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Not what *I* do.

Pep (But please feel free to continue in your joyful ignorance)
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Baloo Uriza
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12-20-2008 16:30
From: Avawyn Muircastle
It's not a bad idea to keep from being hit on.


Actually, it is. I get hit on semi-regularly, despite being an 8'3" and somewhat husky kodiak bear.
Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 16:32
Oh, I don't know:

From: someone

inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community


You do that.

From: someone
with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1]


You do that.

From: someone
or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion


You do that.

The only slight variation here is that you target individuals as opposed to the whole community. Other than that slight stretching of the definition, it seems to fit you quite well.
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Baloo Uriza
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12-20-2008 16:34
From: Ann Launay
Except that isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about making snap judgments about someone based on the way they dress a virtual doll. Do that, and you have no idea what the other person's beliefs, customs, or lifestyle REALLY are, let alone whether you agree with them.


When all you have to go by is actions and words, how do you put actions and words aside? Seems like you're just making stuff up about the person if you're going to discount what they say and do...
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12-20-2008 16:35
From: Ann Launay
I don't get in any vehicle with anybody I don't know. Period. It has nothing to do with judging an individual or a certain group of people.


You've never taken a train, flown on a commercial airline, ridden a bus or caught a taxi before?
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12-20-2008 16:40
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
that is your opinion and I personally think you are being pretty darn intolerant and disrespectful of my choice of how I live my life....


What goes around, comes around. Don't dish what you can't take yourself. When you act like a bigot and go rag on furries just because they're furries, especially in SL (which wouldn't be anywhere as big as it is now if it weren't for the early influx of furries) is going to cause you to catch crap.
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12-20-2008 16:43
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
think me a bad person, or whatever, it just shows you are doing exactly the same thing I do... prejudging me based on the info at hand which is a tiny glimpse into who I am....


No, we're at least talking to you and letting you expose yourself as a bigot. You're shutting people out on appearances alone.
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12-20-2008 16:43
From: someone
inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community
From: LoveHastings
You do that.
Nope! My posts are unemotional, relevant and relate to previous posts.

From: someone
with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response
From: LoveHastings
You do that.
Nope! My posts are made in the hope that users will respond unemotionally and rationally. That they don't is something over which I have no control.

From: someone
or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion
From: LoveHastings
You do that.
Nope! Most threads go off-topic well before I post, and if they haven't, my posts relate to the postings already made.

Pep (And these points should be seen in the context of the rest of the article in any case; "troll" refers to a fishing metaphor, rather than the stunted avatar under the billy-goats' bridge)
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Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 16:52
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Nope! My posts are unemotional, relevant and relate to previous posts.


No, they focus on some particular "failing" you see, usually irrelevant to the topic and hand, and attack. Your emotional state is not relevant to the definition. Those I strongly suspect it's one of glee.

From: someone

Nope! My posts are made in the hope that users will respond unemotionally and rationally. That they don't is something over which I have no control.


See my comments earlier about you being full something or other. You don't expect people to respond unemotionally to your crap. Quite the contrary, you hope to get a rise out of them. Because if you really were trying to do what you claim, you'd find an effective way of doing it, after realizing this method doesn't work. But you don't.

From: someone

Nope! Most threads go off-topic well before I post, and if they haven't, my posts relate to the postings already made.


Sometimes. That happens. But you will take whatever the conversation is, and turn it into a personal attack on someone.

From: someone

Pep (And these points should be seen in the context of the rest of the article in any case; "troll" refers to a fishing metaphor, rather than the stunted avatar under the billy-goats' bridge)


You do fish. You fish for people to rise to your bullying, and respond. So that you can have some fun with them. It's close enough. You are a troll. In your own particular fashion, I'll grant. But a troll nonetheless.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-20-2008 16:59
From: Baloo Uriza
What goes around, comes around. Don't dish what you can't take yourself. When you act like a bigot and go rag on furries just because they're furries, especially in SL (which wouldn't be anywhere as big as it is now if it weren't for the early influx of furries) is going to cause you to catch crap.


huh?
who said I rag on anyone???

I just said if someone doesn't interest me I do not engage in trying to become friends with them.

It is not like I stand there and belittle them, or name call, or grief them in any way... not sure where you got the idea I rag on them.

From: baloo uriza

No, we're at least talking to you and letting you expose yourself as a bigot. You're shutting people out on appearances alone.


how exactly does choosing who I wish to be friends with and who I wish to ignore considered a bigot???

It is considered being individual and having individual tastes and preferences.

would you try to befriend someone who, upon first impression has nothing in common with you?

(and in SL there really is not much other than visual to gain a first impression from)

as for the furry comment, I actually do have furry friends, I also have a gorean daughter in SL, and I have non human avatar friends... I just do not go out of my way to befriend the non humans, however if it happens, it happens.

*shrug*

see how quick you are to judge me and presume I am things I am not... I bet you have no interest in being my friend... do you?
and what are you basing it on?
a few posts... nothing else, since you do not know me.... so see I am not the only one that does it :)
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


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12-20-2008 17:00
From: Love Hastings
same ol' same ol'
You really are blinded to fact and logic by your preoccupation with your erroneous perception of me, aren't you? Have you wondered why it is only you and two or three other over-emotional forum participants who over-react to my comments?

Pep (Do you think you take this too seriously perhaps?)
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-20-2008 17:02
ponders....

I wonder what would happen if pep did not put a comment in the parentheses....

(would the forums cease to exist as we know them?)

pep, I am curious, exactly why do you do this?
(I knew one other person in my 12+ years of online experience that did that, sadly he passed on in RL a few years ago)
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


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Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 17:04
From: Pserendipity Daniels
You really are blinded to fact and logic by your preoccupation with your erroneous perception of me, aren't you? Have you wondered why it is only you and two or three other over-emotional forum participants who over-react to my comments?

Pep (Do you think you take this too seriously perhaps?)


Sure. Just two or three others have noticed your despicable behaviour. Uh huh.
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Talarus Luan
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12-20-2008 17:04
From: Pserendipity Daniels
As I keep pointing out, I don't "troll" by the universally accepted (outside the understanding of less informed denizens of these forums it appears) definition, if you would care to check. My posts may be annoying to those who are unable to express themselves effectively, but I do not instigate, merely respond. The title of this forum is "Resident Answers"; I am a Resident and I offer Answers.


I don't find your posts annoying, personally. In fact, I find it hard to categorize any significant emotional response to them at all. Well, beyond pity, I suppose, but I can't say for sure *I* feel it.

I disagree with your claims not to "instigate". In most threads I see you post in, you post SOLELY to instigate, and usually, it falls well into the realm of the "universally accepted" definition of trolling (that even you, yourself, posted, to boot). Off-topic, inflammatory, and quite inane. The "Resident Answers" excuse is rather poor attempt at a (very) flat dodge.

From: someone
And you yourself are demonstrating yet again the inability of quite a few participants here to actually read accurately, as I have never claimed to carry out post-doctoral work, despite your attempt to reinforce your delusion by the use of inverted commas. You have also redundantly referred to *the* Cambridge University as being in the UK.


That's true, you said:

From: Pep
A computer science concept you say? Something I might have covered in my postgraduate work in computer science at Cambridge University (the real one, not the upstart) perhaps?


My only mistake was giving you more credit than necessary. Still, the point stands, if corrected. Quite a use of POSTGRADUATE work from Cambridge. I am sure you make your family proud. :rolleyes:

As for the "redundancy", you yourself said "the real one, not the upstart", so I sallied forth on your own "redundancy".

From: someone
As far as your judgment is concerned, perhaps you could explain how unintelligent you think people should be to spend time in the forums?


Unintelligent people don't spend time in forums, because there are precious few of them, and they have a hard time feeding themselves, let alone operating computers.

As for those whom "Pep" Daniels considers unintelligent, well, I can't say, since that probably comprises the bulk of humanity outside of him (I presume you're a "him"; please do correct me if I am wrong, and then follow it up with your dissertation on the proper use of English pronouns to represent gender-neutral references). Plus, chances are, I am included in that group as well, so why would my "unintelligent" opinion mean anything to you?

I find the vast majority of people present in forums intelligent and worth listening to. Not everyone communicates perfectly, even in the best and most formal of situations (no, really!), so I can be mostly forgiving of faux pas, slip ups, and other mistypes/misspeaks. Sometimes I do press people on stuff they say, offering corrections or simply rebuttals or outright refutations. That's part and parcel of communicating. However, I would NEVER deign to use it as a litmus for judgment of that person's personality, let alone their intelligence. It's an awful small statistical sample to use for either. However, if that's all the evidence you need to become the Great Judge of Intelligence, by all means, please carry on.
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12-20-2008 17:09
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
ponders....

I wonder what would happen if pep did not put a comment in the parentheses....

(would the forums cease to exist as we know them?)

pep, I am curious, exactly why do you do this?
(I knew one other person in my 12+ years of online experience that did that, sadly he passed on in RL a few years ago)
Shall we find out?

But beforehand, I should explain that I have been using this style for over fifteen years in bulletin boards and forums, although I am not a ghost . . . although I have known people copy it - which I consider flattery. It began when, for various reasons - line speed, software inadequacies etc - I could not effectively edit the main body of the post but I wanted to add something I later thought of. I also use "slashies" when I am not posting as Pep, a similar style borrowed from a very poular news aggregation site whose name always eludes me, but sounds vaguely rude.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-20-2008 17:15
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Shall we find out?

But beforehand, I should explain that I have been using this style for over fifteen years in bulletin boards and forums, although I am not a ghost . . . although I have known people copy it - which I consider flattery. It began when, for various reasons - line speed, software inadequacies etc - I could not effectively edit the main body of the post but I wanted to add something I later thought of. I also use "slashies" when I am not posting as Pep, a similar style borrowed from a very poular news aggregation site whose name always eludes me, but sounds vaguely rude.



looks strange to not see it, almost like something is missing LOL
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Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar. :)


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Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 17:16
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
looks strange to not see it, almost like something is missing LOL


That's usually where the sarcasm and/or poor assumptions are. That's why.
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Love Hastings
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12-20-2008 17:22
From: Pserendipity Daniels
You really are blinded to fact and logic by your preoccupation with your erroneous perception of me, aren't you? Have you wondered why it is only you and two or three other over-emotional forum participants who over-react to my comments?

Pep (Do you think you take this too seriously perhaps?)


Wrong assumptions:

1. I am blinded to fact and logic. Actually, I see things quite clearly. You are self deluded if you actually believe the tripe you spew.

2. My perception is not erroneous. Actions speak louder than words, and you've proven yourself quite conclusively.

3. You think I'm being emotional towards you? Hardly. You are annoying and pitiful, and that does rub off a bit. But I'm not being over-emotional in your general direction. Mostly, the emotion you'll find I have here is one of mirth. Even towards you most of the time (though not in the good way, I'm afraid).

4. Over-react to your comments. Actually, you are right about this one. You really aren't worth the time and effort. So I'll give you that one.
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12-20-2008 17:23
From: Talarus Luan
<Too much erroneous blather to bother the rest of the disinterested observers by repeating>
I feel flattered, if slightly bemused, that someone who is not really affected by my posts takes time to respond. You make similar mistakes to Love, of course, and some which are your own, including a failure to comprehend that it was *your own words* which suggested that the unintelligent should not be using the forums. Perhaps you should read them again and, once illuminated, berate yourself for your stance.

Pep (I don't criticise people for a lack of intelligence; find me an example if you can)
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12-20-2008 17:26
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
looks strange to not see it, almost like something is missing LOL
I won't not do it again then!

Pep (Unless the mods tell me not to because it is apparently where all my sarcasm hides out)
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