Club experience annoyed me enough to post

EDIT: OMG! I typed no-mod when I meant mod... My brain must have been back in the discussion somewhere. Talk about posting the opposite of what you intended...

I meant to say that they needed to be MOD. That way the newbies will be able to customize them, and they won't therefore all end up just looking exactly like whatever new small set of popular shapes they land on...

Wow... most post read with the almost completely opposite meaning of what I meant to say...



I know... it was a brain lapse there.

I meant to post Mod, not no-mod. Then I got in the car and went out for a few hours and came back - read my post, and couldn't understand what point I was making...

Well, if you never go to Adult places, you will probably never have an issue with your height and be called a child avatar or being auto-booted & banned.

I'm a slender 5'11" in RL and didn't choose to be that way. My AV follows RL form.
Thank you very much for referring to tall people with that lame ass, home-made term..
Really.. thanks a lot.
Like I don't get enough shit about it in the real world that I need some insults in here too.
Grow up people (pun intended).

I find that hard to believe but, well, to each their own. If I see somebody choosing to be 3 feet tall, I wonder how old they're trying to look. If I see somebody 6+ feet tall, I'm less likely to wonder.

The paranoia goes both ways here. In terms of tolerance, I'd put my place up against just about anywhere else in SL. Short, tall, fat, thin, alien, human, demon, critter, machine, newbie, oldbie, whatever - the only real rules are that they don't cause trouble and are an adult avatar. What I got here in the forums was a bunch of people who were ready and even eager to make false assumptions, jump down my throat and accuse me of being intolerant.

And it's not enough for some to want to encourage SL meters being more equal to RL meters; they also have to be insulting as possible to people who are tall or who just aren't any good at making shapes. It's just more "not like us" bullshit in the guise of equality.

Doesn't feel very nice, does it? Imagine somebody starting stuff with you all of the time in-world.

This is what "realistic" avatars go through all of the damn time.

Nothing against you, I'm just making a point.

They already did put something in their profile to say they are adult. The profile has a rezdate, does it not? In order to even create an avatar in the first place you are required to state that you are an adult. This is an adults-only grid and you have to fill out a form stating that you are a legal adult or you're never coming in.

Which part do you find hard to believe? That it is the way I see the situation, or that it is purely subjective and not universally shared? I don't find either hard to believe, since they are both very true.

If you see someone's height and immediately start questioning how old they are, that's an example of prejudice. "Small people are children". It's a stereotype. Yes, many small people ARE children, but not all, by a large margin.



I don't doubt what you are saying; I've simply said that, based on your original post in this thread, you made it sound like you tossed people out of your place for being a foot shorter than the rest of the patrons, without looking at any other criteria. To me (and others, apparently), it came off as sounding a little harsh, but that doesn't really matter much, except in the case where someone was asking for evidence of someone saying something like that.

With the clarifications you have made since then, I imagine you misspoke a bit in that post, so it isn't that big a deal. However, that doesn't mean there is no less a plethora of others out there who actually DO practice such a judgment.



Well, I can't speak to that, since my point has been throughout this thread that size really doesn't matter; at least not by itself. I don't care what size/shape people are. What I care about is how they act. Like I said, it isn't any different than someone playing a tall, but underage avatar engaged in illicit activities; it is just as "wrong".

Actually being an adult is not the issue. Being perceived as a child or adolescent avatar is the issue due to the prohibition on sexual ageplay between adults in Second Life. Sindy's club has very explicit sexplay aspects to it that could put her in a difficult position with Linden Lab if she tolerated the presence of any avatars that could be perceived as non adult avatars regardless of the actual intent of the SL resident in wearing the avatar and the lack of intent/repulsion of anyone else at her place to engage in sexual ageplay. If there is any risk that someone might perceive an avatar as a non-adult avatar at her place even though it might seem obvious to the more observant folks that the avatar is merely below 5'10" it is very understandable that she would insist that shorter avatars have conspicuous disclaimers in their profile that their avatar is a short adult and not a child. Linden Lab doesn't exactly have a sparkling reputation for exercising common sense in evaluating such situations.

LOL. Your first post in a thread you try to swerve the conversation off topic and call someone a bitch, and then you complain how people treat you?

I was thinking of real newbies, who have never played SL before and either might not want to or might not know how to, mod the shape anyway. Once they were at that stage, they could always find another shape. But, I'm not telling anyone else how to do it. It was just my original idea, and what I'd do if it were me making the shapes.

People also seem to be picturing it as if these will be the only shapes available on the grid. It isn't as if anyone runs into the same av in the same place as it is, and there are already freebies shapes, as well as popular shape shops already.

If you really really wanna know what I think, a lot of avs DO look alike in SL anyway.



I don't understand what that statement means.

Was probably just a griefer, contact one of the club staff and heve them banned.

If your SL avatar was 5'11", you'd be getting heat for being too short.

But Frankenbarbies get that handle because they do not match human proportions, even for a taller person.

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(I will not be winning any awards for ASCII art...)

Is that supposed to be a pez dispenser?

Dag, that's pretty much my reaction in half the women's gatherings in SL...

- Is that supposed to be a Pez dispenser is about it, except they tend to have tiny heads...

Think this:

Ultra thin.
Tiny micro-head.
7+ feet tall.
Super huge boobs.
Momma-long-legs spider legs.
No hips (thinner than a boy here).
No Butt (thinner than a boy here).
Broad man-shoulders.
Tiny feet.
Ultra pale skin.
Usually blond, sometimes red or brown hair.
Heels.
Micro mini skirt.
AO that keeps fluffing the hair and bending over.

Don't forget the t rex arms with teeny or huge hands. Or superbling.

I generally let anyone any shape and size to my regions. I even allow kids on my sims if they're not doing anything sexual and that type of stuff.

I don't know who said it or implied it but how do you tell if someone is just short or a kid?

Once again I don't know who said it but I do have my own ways. I generally see the av and look at the profile. Most the time if its a kid avatar they will have something stating that in their profile, or a group, or pics etc. The other is their appearance. Not their height I could give two craps about height. If I see them in child like clothing with a sucker, or pacifier, and child like accessories then I will make a mental note or note it on their profile. If I see them doing anything of a sexual nature I'll kick them and not ask questions.

I've only ever had to ban 3 people I think from my regions. They were on one of my adult beds with an adult av and I ejected and banned them both. I also wrote them and explained to them why I ejected them.

I don't stalk my customers or patrons to my areas, and I don't camera stalk any child avatars that come to my sim. I do however sometimes take a higher level of precaution due to the nature of some of my regions. I don't have any specifically adult sexual regions. But all my areas have at least one or two places or beds that people can romp on.

I think using height as a reason to ban someone is pretty lame overall. But... As with my own regions, I can ban for whatever reason I want. I however try and remain fair to everyone visiting and don't just immediately judge based on appearances.

5'11" isn't "frankenbarbie". 7'4" (with a likely 5'4" player) is probably "frankenbarbie" because it's really hard to make a good looking avatar that's at the extreme end of the size range, and someone who thinks seven or eight feet tall is a good size probably doesn't bother.

I'm just a bit taller than you, and wish I was closer to my SL size so I could drive a compact car without my legs cramping, and sleep comfortably on a standard futon, and I'm sure you're familiar with the rest of the litany.

Because your first post on the subject read very much like size was a litmus test. And you didn't write "3 feet tall", you wrote "a foot shorter than everyone else".

They'll know how tall their avatar is from the start.

nevermind.

Her subsequent posts have shown that, but as others have said, her very first post in this thread gave a very different impression. But that's also why I said I wasn't asserting that she mislead people about the rules. I was saying that people should make the effort to avoid confusing their parcel policies with LL rules.

It's ok to be stricter than LL rules require. It may be true to state "I'm strict because LL rules mean I have to be strict." But it's not ok to make that statement unless there's enough other context to make it clear that the LL rules aren't literally that strict.

OMG! LOVE IT!! ROF!!!

This height paranoia is beyond ridiculous now.

I am 6'2' as a female avatar and I am quite short and slim compared to many women I come across. If I am considered a child avatar then something is wrong.