Club experience annoyed me enough to post

It amuses me that anyone who enjoys a shape different than some people's idea of what is right, must not be sane. I feel quite justified in Godwin-ing this thread by saying there's quite a few shape/size Nazis here. But to each their own.

Quantify "far shorter than everyone else", please. What's your definition of "too short"?

Spend less time defending your argument to the death and more trying to understand what people are actually saying.

I have tinies that come into my place. If I don't know them, I may say "that's an adult avatar, right shorty?" or something like that. There is no "too short."

Yet again, height is just one of a number of things I look at. There is no "too short."

Ok? Do you get it yet?? There is no "too short."

Good to hear. So if someone shows up in an adult-proportioned female avatar, 5'6" tall, wearing a frilly dress, you won't make them put a disclaimer in their profile to let them stay?

1. How did you know they were kids?
2. Couldn't you just apply the same standard you applied to determine #1? I mean, rather than make blanket statements like, I throw out EVERYBODY who isn't at least this tall?

The OP isn't considered to be "in this thread"? O.o



Well, this info comes from a bouncer who worked for years at a popular nightclub in downtown Atlanta. They have no issues telling short adults from kids. IN FACT, short adults are MUCH easier to discern from kids than you may realize.



"Never gets carded" is NOT REMOTELY the same thing as "never gets looked at". Talk about a leap...

I didn't say "height isn't a factor"; I have been saying "height should never be the ONLY factor". Learn the difference and stop with the exaggeration and distortion of my points, please. Thanks!

No one here has made that argument, especially towards RL.

In SL, however, it DOES factor ZERO into it, because SL height has NOTHING to do with someone's RL age, since ANYone of ANY age can be ANY height they please. It's just a friggin' slider in the appearance editor.

I'm getting a headache from rolling my eyes so often.

You only look at height, proportions and dress? Why so quick to judge? Things like skin & hair also contribute a lot to looks. Then there's stuff like what their profile says and what groups they're in. I also frequently look at join dates and whether they're wearing newbie stuff or if they seem to have put lots of thought/time into their looks. There's also what their AO is doing and what they have on for (frequently transparent) attachments.

If you only go by height, proportion and clothes, you're a lot closer to who the OP ran into than you are to me.

And there is also things they say.

Like (true case) Avatar named something like LittleMissy Lollipop shows up and says,

"Ohh I am so sleepy. Does anyone want to give me a place to lie down?" and then when told to leave,

"But I think someone gave me something, I am so sleepy. Please don't kidnap me!"

So it isn't only about appearance, or even AO, or profile. A lot is demeanor or dialogue too.

I don't see any reason to think that Sindy is just banning anyone short.

You have contributed nothing but snipes to this thread and now you are calling several people here Shape/Size naiz's when no one has said "everyone HAS to be a certain shape".

If we were talking about RL age instead of apparent avatar age, that would make more sense. Since the topic is about apparent age, and how (or if) it relates to height on human avatars, I still say it's just plain stupid.

Are you joking?

You think that if you saw somebody who was trying to look like they are 5 years old, you could possibly mistake them for somebody who was trying to look 18+ ???

This is because the version floating around there now was never intended to be released as it is. That version is an early draft laid out for myself to elaborate on and is not a very good reflection of what it is meant to be. I do not wish it to be spread around further as it is since incomplete work, especially something intended to serve as a guide, is embarrassing and does not leave a good impression.




Something much to this effect is already part of the current project.

If they're interested in a RL sized avatars, they're more likely to use them if they're more likely to use them if they can mod them to make them their own.

If they want a much taller or oddly proportioned avatar, big deal. At least they're starting off informed instead of blind.

Well, if we have here an adult in RL (which, if he/she is on Zindra, has already been "verified" to be an adult, by LL) who is the average RL height range for an adult human, but is still a foot or more shorter than the rest of the patrons, why would anyone simply kick that person out based solely on their height?

I am not arguing for rights or anything like that; I fully agree with you that landowners can eject/ban anyone from their land for any reason whatsoever. My only point is the justification for it. There doesn't have to be any justification, of course, but if there is one, it should at least be sensible.

I don't know. As I've said several times, I don't punt people based just on height.

RL age has nothing to do with this. LL doesn't supply that info to me, except that I can block anybody who hasn't verified with aristotle which we all know is BS, so I don't care about it (unless somebody outs themselves as being RL underaged). I'm only talking about how old people are trying to look. That's it.

I'm with you on that. I made my own shape, and it seems weird to buy one - but about half or more of the people I see appear to all be using the same exact shape as each other...
- and I think its one of the ones by the front door of Free Dove...

So... the only way to fight frankenbarbism I suppose is to put out enough counter freebies that at least a few newbies start showing up with some other look...

And yes - they have to be *mod*, so those newbies don't all end up looking identical again...

EDIT: OMG! I typed no-mod when I meant mod... My brain must have been back in the discussion somewhere. Talk about posting the opposite of what you intended...

Well, if we make them "no-mod", then a certain 'hide in a hole from possible legislation' now defunct collar maker will come in here calling us "shape/size nazi's" with a smile again.

OK, the post of yours I quoted as an example makes it sound like you did, as there was no other qualifying criteria for it in the rest of the post.

Regardless, you would not be the only one by far, here or elsewhere, who does exactly that.



The problem is that judgment is highly subjective and, to be even remotely accurate, has to take into account many different criteria, not the least of which is behavior (even much moreso than looks) and context.

Nice dodge. Never mind. Sorry I said anything.

There are several notches between saying height has zero impact and saying it is the sole determining factor, you know.

Does being a lot shorter than everybody else tend to make you look younger, especially in SL where you have far fewer cues to go on than RL? Yes. Of course it does. Is height the only thing people should use to guess somebodys age? No. Of course not.

Making them mod will give people more ability to NOT look identical. If someone is going to make themselves 8' tall, they're going to do it anyway. Annoying them with a no-mod shape or other evil won't help.

Well, at least one, anyway.



To me? Not at all, but I guess my vision is colored much different than other people, having known and interacted with several different friends and family members who were significantly shorter than average all my life.

I think it is purely a subjective litmus that is not universally shared.

I have to agree with Talarus outlook. I have been 5' all of my adult life. I've never been treated like I was younger looking or carded more than my gal pals who were much taller.

I must say that I have been in SL coming up on two years, I am 5'7 here..I have never once had anyone comment on my height. Although I feel it has a lot to do with the place and types of people they hang with. For instance, I don't do the club scene so I am not faced with the possiblity of it happening in that instance.

I agreed that those who create doubt for an adult business should be tossed. She gave her reasons and I gave the ones I would probably use. I don't see a problem there.


That's exactly what I said about it, but I didn't say anything about whether that "norm" is right or wrong. That would be pretty pompous trying to decide for others what norm should be acceptable and what should not.