Club experience annoyed me enough to post

Well, since I'm so tall in RL, I often find myself noticing how short other people in RL are. I once dated a korean girl who was 5'1" (that made for some interesting times).

Btw... the "person" you describe is more accurately described as a "jerk"—not ignorant, not a moron, not a frankenbarbie. They could very well know exactly how tall they and they just get off on harrassing others. Conversely, the attitude I see from a lot of people is to fire back insults at them and continue the cycle. I get this vibe that the height debate is a foregone conclusion and anyone who DARES to set their height slider up to 7' is an ignorant moron. It's funny that in a thread about a short (i.e. average) person being bashed, there is an equal amount of bashing on taller avies. They certainly seem to be generalizing to me.

Yeah. Hmm, maybe your unconscious was at work here?

Personally, I assumed you were referencing his interest and expertise in gynaecology.

Dr. _Zachary_ Smith, you bubble-headed boobie!

LOL



I like this interpretation better

LOL

When are guys going to get it that women just don't get that special little frisson when they hear that word "gynaecology"?

It's a purely scientific endeavor

Guys are supposed to get a little frisson when they hear the word? How come?

I can't think of a career that would do more to wipe out one's interest in sex.

Oh god it is good to hear you say that . . .

ETA: I mean, not YOU particularly. It's just good to hear a guy . . . er, ferret . . .say th . . .

NVM

If you checked, I think you'd find that Sindy pays attention to LL rules far more than most people do. You'd also find that her place is about as tolerant as can be, as long as people play nice and look like their avatars are adult.

Almost without exception, RL children are small. To use height as a first-clue about somebodys age is not even a little unreasonable - to call it discrimination is just silly.

No worries, I "got it" first time.

I'm just flummoxed.... They AREN'T kids. They are adults in an avatar, not real children.

I don't think they should participate in ... you know... nefarious and smutty stuff... but you aren't chasing "kids" away.


Also I've seen many very short avatars that no one could possibly mistake for a child avatar. One size fits all never does.

Also I said at the beginning of this thread that I believe real world height shouldn't be used as a comparison in Second Life. Yes there's a norm. I know I'm tall if you put real world standards on it, but ANYWHERE I go, except for maybe a village of tinies, I'm about the same as most of the other people and the majority of all created content is scaled to fit. How is that not a norm Briana? And why shouldn't it be valid for THIS world? I'm not saying that we should discriminate against anybody...after all can't we all be who we want to be?

I suspect she understands that aparent age in SL doesn't have much to do with actual age in RL.

If my avatar is the height of a normal adult woman and has normal proportions, nobody has any business questioning her for 'age play' or whatever.

What we need to do is get some free shapes in the 4'10 to 5'6" range into the popular freebie shops.

I need to take an hour and put a generic 'face' on my shape so I can release a copy/mod/trans version of it...

As a Dragon in anthropomorphic form, I am around 3m (9 ft) tall. In other forms, well.. sometimes I am less than 1m tall, others, "Huge, Ancient" doesn't really do it justice.

Of course, we're talking about HUMANS here, but really, WHY should size/height matter?

Height is not ageplay; ageplay isn't banned; SEXUAL ageplay is banned. So, it doesn't matter how tall one is, but what personality one is presenting through RP. The assertion that "small avatars = children" is nonsensical and foolish.

Even still, that doesn't abrogate the rights of land owners to bounce people from their lands for whatever reason they want.

Kitty that is cRaZy talk!

Ya, all that above.

Well I'm only 5'7" in SL and RL so I can empathise, OP. Thankfully I haven't encountered any height discrimination here, save the odd, "You're really small" comment, but most people are polite enough to keep such comments to themselves

...except for this notice at the Carnival of Doom. Man, I can't tell you how disappointed I was.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26161746@N08/2486247368/sizes/o/

Because humans tend to start small and get bigger as they get older?

But avatars start as Frankenbarbies and get smaller as they learn better.

Yes, but that doesn't address the point I am making. Even amongst humans, there are fairly common anomalies. Dwarfism, for one. Effects of nutrition, genetics, culture, etc can have a drastic impact on size, which is why you can't simply judge someone's age simply by height alone.

The issue with the banned practice of sexual ageplay is two-fold: 1) the avatar is INTENTIONALLY and OVERTLY "play"ing or representing a "child", and 2) sex (or other adult behavior which is normally proscribed for children) is involved. Height has nothing to do with it. It still is just as much against the rules for someone to represent a 6 ft tall teenager engaging in sexual ageplay as it is for a 4 ft tall child to do the same.

Sure it does.

At an adult place, it's reasonable to ask somebody who is far shorter than 'normal' if they are adult.

If, in RL, you are shorter than 'normal' and you try to go into an adult place, you are more likely to be asked for an ID. SL is no different. Some people are good at those types of exchanges. Some people are not.

Please find me a post here in this thread that advocates throwing people out of adult places solely because of their height.

edit:

Actually, it's a little more than that. Or less, depending on how you look at it..


A child avatar, standing near naughty toys is not allowed, even if they are the only person in the region.

Personally, I prefer the "innocent until proven guilty" approach, since that "far shorter" concept apparently is extremely subjective, as evidenced by the content in this thread.



First, SL isn't RL. All the people engaging in adult activities are supposed to be adults. "Verified" adults. Second, my aunt is 4-ft-3, and she has NEVER been carded going into an adult establishment. It is quite apparent that she IS an adult, despite her height, and not only from her behavior, either.



Well, at least one person says that is her normal practice, so... does that count?

Nothing there contradicts anything I said.

I think the interpretation of the rules in your example is a tad extreme. "Placement", to me, indicates a willful intent. Someone in a child avatar casually (and likely, unknowingly) walking about and happening by a "bed" (for example) shouldn't be automatically considered a violation. Maybe someone in a child avatar actively exploring a BDSM dungeon or something they couldn't normally just casually walk by, I could see.

Right. Because it's more than just height. Like everybody's already saying.

That said, I guarantee you she gets looked by the doorman more than tall people, in every adult place she goes where they do not know her. That doesn't mean that they end up feeling a need to speak to her or card her or anything like that but to say that somebody 4-3 doesn't even get looked is ridiculous.


Source? I think you misread..


I didn't say it did. I just said that it was more (or less) than you said.

My *understanding* of this rule is that it was created largely in reaction to a specific example where kid avatars were regularly going to an area that appeared as a playground, but also included a bed in a "clubhouse" and a small store area that included both a handful of objects for kid avatars as well as "sexual devices." While the landowner claimed some innocence, it also seemed very much like the area was being used as a place to solicit for sexual ageplay. Hence the rules on "proximity," which state



Which was part of a clarification of



Note specifically the language about "promoting or catering to such behavior" (in this case, sexual ageplay) as well as "placement of avatars." This is not referring to cases of happenstance, where an avatar unknowingly ends up in a sexual location (for example, when "Lil Laura's Lollipop Land" gets sold and becomes "Bob's BDSM Boudoir," and a kid avvie uses a now outdated LM).

Unfortunately, the proximity clause is what has led a lot of places to assume they could be liable if they allow kid avatars on their property *and* they sometimes allow "sexual-ish" content - say, a club that people might use vulgar words or revealing clothing within. This has led to a high level of paranoia that they could love their land and lindens if they so much as let a kid avvie darken their doorway.

Mind you, this is separate from those who simply "don't like my kind" or whatever, and this is also not to say that their fears do have at least some justification given we've seen errors in judgement on the part of the Lindens before. They're only human, after all.

Mari
(Who feels like a "rules lawyer" every time she posts stuff like this)