Does Virtual Cheating Still Count?
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Conan Godwin
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08-17-2007 10:00
From: Michael Bigwig
And let us pleeeeeease not try to muddy the waters with technicalities. Of course when I say intercourse we are talking about penis in vagina...let's not be big-children about this and pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. QUOTE]
Not necessarily. I don't consider kissing cheating, but oral sex, anal sex and manual stimulation cross the line and are cheating. Vaginal penetration isn't necessary.
Nevertheless, non of these things can be done online.
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Sunni Jewell
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08-17-2007 10:04
From: Conan Godwin I think a lot of people have mis-understood why people cheat. People don't cheat because they are looking for affection. People cheat because they want the physical act without the affection, most of the time. The vast majority of married men who cheat genuinely love their wives, and that is why they never leave them. They just want a change of scene - simple as that.
I might love chocolate cake - but if that was all I could eat, everyday for the rest of my life, I'd go mad. Occcasionally, something savoury makes a nice change. Hmmmm....that statement right there just indicated to me, as a woman, that you're not a very trustworthy person. Now, if your SO knows that you feel this way, agrees with it, does it too, then all is fine and good. However, if you've ever been cheated on without your knowledge and consent, you would know just how hurtful an attitude like that can be to a relationship. I didn't get married so that we could introduce others into our relationship. If you want to do that, it's really quite simple......find someone who shares your views, or just never get exclusively involved. If you are exclusively involved, if the guidelines in your relationship have been laid down and defined, then the attitude is above would be deadly to that relationship.
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Carli Dancer
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08-17-2007 10:08
Wow did they clone Doctor Phil or something? This is worse than "The Couch Trip"
Newsflash! People 'cheat" online. Don't like it? Don't cyber them.
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Conan Godwin
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08-17-2007 10:09
From: Sunni Jewell Hmmmm....that statement right there just indicated to me, as a woman, that you're not a very trustworthy person. Now, if your SO knows that you feel this way, agrees with it, does it too, then all is fine and good. However, if you've ever been cheated on without your knowledge and consent, you would know just how hurtful an attitude like that can be to a relationship. I didn't get married so that we could introduce others into our relationship. If you want to do that, it's really quite simple......find someone who shares your views, or just never get exclusively involved. If you are exclusively involved, if the guidelines in your relationship have been laid down and defined, then the attitude is above would be deadly to that relationship. You miss the point. I didn't say I cheat. I said I understand why others do. I choose not to. The fact that I have no arguement with those who choose to do something doesn't mean I choose to do it. I choose not to drink alcohol, at all, but have no moral objection to others doing so. Same principle.
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08-17-2007 10:12
From: Michael Bigwig Ummm...Conan.
I think you'll find that I'M the right one here. You're the wrong one. How many people agree with Conan that cheating is ONLY when you have intercourse?
Raise your hands people! Michael, you're only playing into Conan's hands by giving the attention he craves. Just ignore his posts and responses to you. I'm not reading them.
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08-17-2007 10:13
From: Carli Dancer Wow did they clone Doctor Phil or something? This is worse than "The Couch Trip"
Newsflash! People 'cheat" online. Don't like it? Don't cyber them. The issue is the definition of cheating as it relates to SL. So explain how people "cheat" online from your perspective. Is it a matter of emotional attention and affection or a purely physical act like Conan suggests?
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Conan Godwin
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08-17-2007 10:16
From: SqueezeOne Pow The issue is the definition of cheating as it relates to SL.
So explain how people "cheat" online from your perspective. Is it a matter of emotional attention and affection or a purely physical act like Conan suggests? Leaving aside those people who refuse to engage in intelligent discussions, and prefer simply to rubbish others views, that is pretty much what this debate comes down to; what constitutes cheating in real life will inform what is considered cheating in Second Life. This debate seems to fall into two camps - those who believe that cheating is a physical act, and those who believe that the emotional connection is the core of the issue. The question is though, do we only require one or the other - or does both the emotional connection and the physical one have to be present to count as cheating? In which case, with the physical element missing, cheating online doesn't count.
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08-17-2007 10:19
From: Conan Godwin Ahh, so anyone who says anything you and Michael disagree with are just craving attention.
I shall bear that in mind. No, I think it's the hostile approach you take towards Mike that does it. For example, calling him a patronising prick and bringing up the old "Secrets" argument as an insult to him was uncalled for and did nothing to further the conversation or make you NOT look like a dick. Agreeing or disagreeing with you doesn't has nothing to do with it.
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Conan Godwin
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08-17-2007 10:21
From: SqueezeOne Pow No, I think it's the hostile approach you take towards Mike that does it. For example, calling him a patronising prick and bringing up the old "Secrets" argument as an insult to him was uncalled for and did nothing to further the conversation or make you NOT look like a dick.
Agreeing or disagreeing with you doesn't has nothing to do with it. Calling someone a patronising prick after thay have patronised you is perfectly acceptable. As childish as the phrase is, it is still true that "he started it".
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Carli Dancer
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hoe now brown cow
08-17-2007 10:22
From: SqueezeOne Pow The issue is the definition of cheating as it relates to SL.
So explain how people "cheat" online from your perspective. Is it a matter of emotional attention and affection or a purely physical act like Conan suggests? Since when? the Issue is: From: poopmaster Oh http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3473291&page=1Does Virtual Cheating Still Count? Online Communities Test Boundaries of Infidelity and Relationships my mom called me up after see'ing this in the newspaper and told me not to be a virtual hoe.....tr00 st0ry Someone named Poopmaster's mom doesnt want her to be a virtual hoe. With that name she's probably safe, cept from the scat freaks.
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08-17-2007 10:24
From: Conan Godwin Calling someone a patronising prick after thay have patronised you is perfectly acceptable. As childish as the phrase is, it is still true that "he started it". ...you're not making yourself look any better. In short, if you do without those types of insults...or at least make them entertaining...and actually take part in the debate (as you have been doing on occasion on this thread  ) then there wouldn't be an issue.
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Michael Bigwig
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08-17-2007 10:31
To each is own right? As long as each participant in the relationship understands the other persons limits, wants, and needs. If both parties involved are honest about their activities on and offline, and both parties are OK with it, then it's acceptable.
This above statement is really what we all need to remember. Which has already been voiced several times by a few insightful citizens on previous pages.
I really don't mean to be a jerk to anybody. I'm really not at all like that...I will be honest, however, and say that I enjoy a good debate from time to time...and sometimes I'm guilty of falling into the 'button pushing' trap.
And as long as the wise ones among you see that I mean what I say, I can work on my diplomacy and steadfast emotion so you all don't have to put up with flame-fest '07.
But also keep in mind, that when I do stray and fall into my own hypocrisy, try and forgive. I want a healthy community...not one filled with passive aggressive pricks. Shouldn't we all.
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08-17-2007 10:32
From: Carli Dancer Since when? the Issue is:
Someone named Poopmaster's mom doesnt want her to be a virtual hoe. With that name she's probably safe, cept from the scat freaks. Is there an "e" at the end of Ho when used in this context?
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Conan Godwin
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08-17-2007 10:33
From: Michael Bigwig To each is own right? As long as each participant in the relationship understands the other persons limits, wants, and needs. If both parties involved are honest about their activities on and offline, and both parties are OK with it.
This above statement is really what we all need to remember. Which has been voiced several times by a few insightful citizens on previous pages.
I really don't mean to be a jerk to anybody. I'm really not at all like that...I will be honest, however, and say that I enjoy a good debate from time to time...and sometimes I'm guilty of falling into the 'button pushing' trap.
And as long as the wise ones among you see that I mean what I say, I can work on my diplomacy and steadfast emotion so you all don't have to put up with flame-fest '07.
But also keep in mind, that when I do stray and fall into my own hypocrisy, try and forgive. I want a healthy community...not one filled with passive aggressive pricks. Shouldn't we all. The problem is Michael, that you respond to others in exactly the same objectionable way as you say others do. So if you expect people to give you lee-way, maybe you need to adopt the same stance towards others.
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08-17-2007 10:34
From: Conan Godwin The problem is Michael, that you respond to others in exactly the same objectionable way as you say others do. So if you expect people to give you lee-way, maybe you need to adopt the same stance towards others. It's a vicious circle, isn't it? 
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08-17-2007 10:36
Can I take my raincoat off now, guys?
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Hoe should I know?
08-17-2007 10:37
From: Brenda Connolly Is there an "e" at the end of Ho when used in this context? I dont know if there is strict spelling rules for ebonics. Generally when I say someone is a Ho, though, I dont use an E, no. But poopmaster used an E, and so I left the E in. Yo.
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08-17-2007 10:43
From: Conan Godwin The problem is Michael, that you respond to others in exactly the same objectionable way as you say others do. So if you expect people to give you lee-way, maybe you need to adopt the same stance towards others. Isn't that (one of) the point(s) of the very post you are quoting? I said exactly that--I called myself out. Now, isn't it time you understand your guilt as well? The only thing I can gather from your quote above, is that you didn't even really read my post...are you a skimmer? 
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08-17-2007 10:45
From: Michael Bigwig Isn't that the point of the very post you are quoting? I said exactly that--I called myself out. Now, isn't time you understand your guilt as well? The only thing I can gather from your quote above, is that you didn't even really read my post...are you a skimmer?  I read it in detail and it gave the impression that you were getting at me specifically. Keep working on that diplomacy.
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08-17-2007 10:47
Goddamnit!
/me puts raincoat on and gets a umbrella.
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08-17-2007 10:54
*shrugs*
/gives up
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08-17-2007 10:54
Is it cheating when you use puppets?
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08-17-2007 10:55
From: SqueezeOne Pow Is it cheating when you use puppets? Well...you're putting your hand up their butts...so ya...that's cheating in my book. 
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08-17-2007 10:58
From: Michael Bigwig Well...you're putting your hand up their butts...so ya...that's cheating in my book.  If there's one thing I've learned from all my years working for corporations is that everyone has someone else's hand up their ass making their mouth move! I'm cheating on Steve Jobs with my Zune.
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08-17-2007 11:16
From: ArchTx Edo According to this article masturbation is cheating!!
"Watching pornography, masturbating and now becoming involved in virtual relationships are all activities that take a person's attention away from their primary relationship, one marriage expert told ABC News, but whether it's cheating depends on the degree to which someone does it."
Damn, there goes my mental Rolodex...
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