SL Sex, Lies, and Mind Games

Vallejo got the style from Frazetta in the first place, so it's only fair.

I should have remembered that, ah the joys of old age and brain damage.

And it does in Gor sims as well, I imagine.

As the often missed Colette would point out, in many Gor sims, the females were really in charge.

"Master, I need a new set of silks."
"Master, I don't like that new girl."
"Master, Your spiked codpiece looks stupid."

Well, the spiked codpiece did look stupid.

They have NO business speaking to Phillip that way.

My favorite Frazetta-inspired artist is Michael Whelan. He moved beyond the glistening thews thing and produced some amazing covers.

Glistening thews? It was the heaving breasts that drew my attention.

Never fear, he didn't lose them.

I have been reading this troglodyte with considerable amusement, and thought it was time to throw in a few more comments to balance up the ravings of his testosterone-impaired brain.

I assumed no such thing. Neither, I suspect, was Lindal. I was asserting, quite clearly, that the ONLY area in which men can, generally, claim superior strength is in the realm of the physical. Your implication that they also have superior mental abilities is nonsense, and the suggestion that they possess greater "strength of character" purely subjective. And maybe even emotional?


I am going to assume that you meant "'trust' a 'female' in SL to be a female," or perhaps "'trust' a 'female' to be a 'female' in RL," as the statement makes absolutely no sense as it stands. Actually, even with the necessary correction, it still makes no sense: why are women less to be trusted because MEN are impersonating them?

Ah, but remember what happened to the grasshopper when winter came? Don't come knocking at MY door when pickings become lean.

A great many of the "lesbians" of whom you speak are, of course, males masquerading as "lesbians," in order to enjoy a pornographic parody of a REAL lesbian liaison. Which would seem to suggest that it is men who are having the difficult time dealing with opposite-sex relationships, probably because of a lingering infantilism and Freudian Oedipal Complexes. This is the more ironic, as it is likely that they are coupling in their Vivid Video-inspired fantasy with another male, who is seeking same.

RL women who are lesbian in SL are so because they are lesbian in real life, or are "experimenting" with sides of their sexuality that may not get expression in RL. No one is running "away" from men: they are running TO women.

Incidentally, you finish this point with an entirely gratuitous and unnecessarily nasty potshot. If you can't argue without taking cheap personal shots, then maybe you DO belong on SC II.

And speaking of entirely gratuitous and unnecessarily nasty potshots . . .

You can "anticipate" whatever you want about my in-world behaviour, but as you've never met me in-world, your speculations aren't worth a great deal. I have never had my "strength of character" doubted where it counted, in world or in RL. Nor do I prize the emotional disconnect that you seem to equate with "strength." Emotions are part of what we are: they are PART of my strength and my passion. They are a primary reason why I engage in what you insultingly term "hysterical activism," a field in which I believe my "strength of character" is more than evident.


It is more than a "necessary belief": the proof that men are every bit as prone to cultural pressures as women is historical. Or, if you prefer a synchronic example, we need only consider the prevalence in advertising for men of busty brainless Barbie dolls, living proof of the fact that, whatever else may be responsible for determining male purchasing preferences, it isn't their brain.


In my darker, more despairing moments -- such as those usually initiated by reading one of your more knuckle-dragging posts -- I do sometimes conclude that you are correct.

Hmmmm . . .

This sounds a little like the specious logic in Brave New World that the "Epsilons" were REALLY the elite class because those poor over-worked "Alphas" spent all of their time looking after them.

Yay! I'm so HAPPY that I am an Epsilon!!!

I'm not sure what a troglodyte is, but am familiar with the ravings of a "testosterone-impaired brain"......

You go girl!

LOL

As for "troglodyte":



Homo Pepinensis

The resemblance is striking, is it not?

oh geez. Thanks for the visual. It's better than the one I already had, though.

Wasn't my argument, it was Colette's. You two would have got along pretty well.

Yeah, I was trying to think of some way to say that...

also, in Gor, not all women are slaves, and hence not "in charge".

Turn in your geek card. All true geeks know Troglodytes are reptilian. http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Troglodyte

"" The stench of an angry or frightened troglodyte is so foul that it sickens all living creatures nearby....""

Interesting.

Actually, Colette and I did have a few short sharp exchanges here, before she disappeared. I am happy to report, however, that they ended on a generally friendly note.

Only in D&D silly!

I DID once try D&D. When I was doing my MA, there was a group of fellow grads who played a kind of feminist version of it. I was not overly impressed, however, and didn't stick with it.

OOOO kinda like a reverse Gor?

LOL!!

Don't get too excited now. As I recall, pretty much the only male characters in it were cannon-fodder. Actually, this was one of the reasons it didn't much appeal to me.

Not that I wanted to be some sort of Gorean Panther, you understand . . . But a world without likable males wasn't what I was looking for.

Since most things I would have said in this thread have been addressed already, I have just two to add.

The 'females are more emotional' opinion goes unchallenged almost anytime it comes up.
In my own household, I'm far less likely to respond to a situation with either tears or anger, or for that matter, elation, than my husband.
By which emotions are we measuring this and where is the data coming from?

The second was something about women striving to be equal.
I know far too many women who do strive for that and I wish they understood that they're trying to get in a chair that they're already sitting in.
We were born equal.
I can't control whether anyone else accepts that and I don't try to.
I do insist on whatever respect, salary, protection of law, etc. that I'm due as a person in any given situation and I don't measure that by my gender.

But that is exactly what we ARE striving for, Whyspe. The idea is not to create a specialized class of "women" with their own discrete rights and privileges: it's to render gender irrelevant to the very issues that you identify, so that we ARE all treated as "persons," regardless of gender.

Does anyone take it seriously enough to challenge?