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Argent Stonecutter
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12-09-2009 14:00
From: Twilight Miami
Interesting observations Lindal. The fact that "80% or more of the content in SL is created for women" only proves that the predominant force here is male.
And if Lindal had said "80% of the content is created for men" would you come to the same conclusion? What does that say about the real world?
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Twilight Miami
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12-09-2009 15:53
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Sorry, Twilight, I'm not clear on what you are getting at here. Can you elaborate?

Gender bias is contemporary nomenclature for sex discrimination. The difficulty in establishing uniform understanding depends largely upon semantics and definitions of language.

I think of bias as an inclination of temperament or outlook as opposed to unreasoned judgment whereas discrimination is to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences. Gender bias is a term to describe a preference for either masculine or feminine characteristics (not to be confused with sexual orientation or prejudice). Gender confusion is the term I use to describe the inability to distinguish or accept the fundamental differences between men and women (aside from biological sex), and the distinguishing elements and qualities of masculine and feminine characteristics. It is reasonable to have bias and to discriminate in this way.

I would/could provide more cogent and urbane insights, but it’s time for my daily dose of medical marijuana…
Twilight Miami
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12-09-2009 15:59
From: Argent Stonecutter
And if Lindal had said "80% of the content is created for men" would you come to the same conclusion? What does that say about the real world?

Indeed I would have Argent. It proves my point either way. We have always lived in a male dominated world and it is nothing more or less than delusional to think that will ever change.
Argent Stonecutter
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12-09-2009 16:11
From: Twilight Miami
Indeed I would have Argent. It proves my point either way. We have always lived in a male dominated world and it is nothing more or less than delusional to think that will ever change.
So it's a male dominated world if men get a better deal, and it's also a male dominated world if women get a better deal.

Oh-kay. I'll just hide over here, thanks.

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12-09-2009 16:19
From: Twilight Miami
Indeed I would have Argent. It proves my point either way. We have always lived in a male dominated world and it is nothing more or less than delusional to think that will ever change.

you are so very closed minded.
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Kay Penberg
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12-09-2009 16:24
From: Twilight Miami
Indeed I would have Argent. It proves my point either way.


It doesn't *prove* your point. If you reach the same conclusion from diametrically opposite data, then it is difficult to see how the data figures in your conclusion at all.
LittleMe Jewell
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12-09-2009 16:47
From: Seven Okelli
From: Twilight Miami
SL is predominantly a man's world.
As evidenced by all the shoe stores?
Don't forget the clothes -- all those fabulous dresses.
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Brenda Connolly
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12-09-2009 16:51
From: LittleMe Jewell
Don't forget the clothes -- all those fabulous dresses.


And in SL, as opposed to RL, the best fashion designers are women. :cool:
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-09-2009 17:08
From: Twilight Miami
Gender bias is contemporary nomenclature for sex discrimination. The difficulty in establishing uniform understanding depends largely upon semantics and definitions of language.

Thank you, Twilight, for explaining the "contemporary nomenclature" of the modern debate around gender relationships. I appreciate your patience.

The real problem here, I might suggest, lies not merely upon the establishment of a "uniform understanding" of these terms, but rather in employing them correctly in the first place. I think that the argument can be made that "gender bias" actually represents something rather more subtle than "sex discrimination," but I'll let that pass. On the other hand, the term, "gender confusion," that you "use to describe the inability to distinguish or accept the fundamental differences between men and women" actually means something rather different in both common and specialized parlance, referring instead to what is more precisely known as Gender Identity Disorder. This is a rather different thing than what you describe.

From: Twilight Miami
I think of bias as an inclination of temperament or outlook as opposed to unreasoned judgment whereas discrimination is to distinguish by discerning or exposing differences.

This seems rather fuzzy to me. Sorry, I may need an explanation of your explanation. If "bias" is distinguished from "discrimination" by the fact that the latter works through the apprehension of "differences," how then does the former work? It is presumably not merely an arbitrary like or dislike, as you insist that "bias" does NOT imply "unreasoned judgment." So, upon what is it that "bias" does depend, exactly?

From: Twilight Miami
Gender bias is a term to describe a preference for either masculine or feminine characteristics (not to be confused with sexual orientation or prejudice).

Well now, here you see we get into trouble again. This is YOUR definition of what "Gender bias" means. And I'm afraid I'm unclear what you mean by "masculine" or "feminine" characteristics. Or how this does NOT operate (as you suggest above is the proper domain of "discrimination";) by distinguishing "differences" between male and female. Nor am I clear (I'm sorry to be such trouble . . .) why a mere "preference" for one over the other does not constitute a "prejudice."

From: Twilight Miami
Gender confusion is the term I use to describe the inability to distinguish or accept the fundamental differences between men and women (aside from biological sex), and the distinguishing elements and qualities of masculine and feminine characteristics. It is reasonable to have bias and to discriminate in this way.

Given that you except "biological sex" here from your analysis, I can only assume that you espy the "fundamental differences" between men and women in . . . what? Their mental abilities? Their emotional predispositions? And what are the nature of these differences? Whence do such differences arise? Are they cultural or (as "fundamental" would seem to imply) essential and natural? And why is it that it is "reasonable to have bias and discriminate" in this way?

Please do respond: as it seems that I "misunderstand the difference between gender bias and gender confusion," you can imagine that I am fairly anxious to be guided in this matter.
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12-09-2009 17:15
From: Twilight Miami
Women's Lib has done more to "vaginize" the American male than it has in liberating women from the misplaced preoccupation with sexual equivalence.

Oh dear. Twilight, I need your help again . . .

"Women's Lib" has been "liberating women from the misplaced preoccupation with sexual equivalence"? I'd always thought that, far from "liberating" us from it, it was all ABOUT sexual equality? Explain, please?

I am also unsure what you mean by "misplaced"? Do you mean that women should not be striving for equality? Why is this, exactly?

And by "sexual equivalence," what exactly do you mean? Do you mean "equality"? None of the women I've ever known want "equivalence" with men; i.e., they don't want to be LIKE or interchangeable with men. They want EQUALITY with men, regardless of such "fundamental difference" as may exist between us.

And . . . vaginize . . . what an interesting word!! Do you mean castrate? As in, remove the testicles (as some might suggest, preferably with a very dull and rusty blade?). Or is there some deeper significance to this term that you might explain for a poor soul who has been "vaginized" her entire life?
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Chris Norse
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12-09-2009 17:20
/me pops the corn and sits back to watch the pointy headed intellectuals go at.
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12-09-2009 17:22
From: Chris Norse
/me pops the corn and sits back to watch the pointy headed intellectuals go at.


Move over. Here, have a beer.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-09-2009 17:23
From: Chris Norse
/me pops the corn and sits back to watch the pointy headed intellectuals go at.

/me looks over curiously . . .

Chris, tell me. Have YOU been "vaginized"?

Rumour has it, it is all the rage for men these days!
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12-09-2009 17:34
From: Scylla Rhiadra
/me looks over curiously . . .

Chris, tell me. Have YOU been "vaginized"?

Rumour has it, it is all the rage for men these days!
I don't get vaginized nearly enough these days. Or is that "vaginated"? No..that's for the flu, right?
Tod69 Talamasca
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12-09-2009 17:41
With all this talk of womens lib, etc, etc....

Would one of you womyn get me my beer!!! :D
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12-09-2009 17:43
From: Argent Stonecutter
THe mother in law...?

Bah, I'm not going to google it. My point was about "we thought Tiger was a good man". You might have, I didn't... not good, not bad, not anything.


The only person who can beat Tiger Woods with a golf club is his wife :D
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-09-2009 17:49
From: Esquievel Easterwood
I don't get vaginized nearly enough these days. Or is that "vaginated"? No..that's for the flu, right?

One is reminded, of course, of Derrida's punning neologism, "invagination," the boundless generative space for imaginative free play and boundless possibility, as contrasted with the tyranny of phallus. (Although invagination is not, strictly speaking, a neologism: it has biological meanings as well.)

Free yourself Esquievel! Men unite! You have nothing to lose but your . . . um . . . well . . .
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Chris Norse
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12-09-2009 17:55
From: Brenda Connolly
Move over. Here, have a beer.

Thanks, I was gonna have Scylla bring me one from the kitchen.
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Brenda Connolly
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12-09-2009 17:57
From: Chris Norse
Thanks, I was gonna have Scylla bring me one from the kitchen.


I'd make sure she opens it in front of you.....just sayin.
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12-09-2009 17:57
From: Scylla Rhiadra
/me looks over curiously . . .

Chris, tell me. Have YOU been "vaginized"?

Rumour has it, it is all the rage for men these days!


/me checks my pants
1 Penis Check
1 Pair Testicles Check


Nope, I would say I haven't.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-09-2009 17:58
From: Brenda Connolly
I'd make sure she opens it in front of you.....just sayin.

Too f**king right, Brenda . . .

/me glares meaningfully at Chris . . . :mad:

( ;) )
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12-09-2009 18:00
From: Chris Norse
/me checks my pants
1 Penis Check
1 Pair Testicles Check


Nope, I would say I haven't.

Glad to hear it. Contrary to popular belief, (most) feminists do not want your penis castrated. We just want it . . . controlled. More. And, um, better.
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12-09-2009 18:00
From: Argent Stonecutter
So it's a male dominated world if men get a better deal, and it's also a male dominated world if women get a better deal.

Oh-kay. I'll just hide over here, thanks.


Love the hamster photo Argent. Incredible moment. There is no sexual equivalence in the animal kingdom. I wonder why...
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12-09-2009 18:01
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Glad to hear it. Contrary to popular belief, (most) feminists do not want your penis castrated. We just want it . . . controlled. More. And, um, better.

Can't get any better, I am already the best.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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12-09-2009 18:02
From: Twilight Miami
There is no sexual equivalence in the animal kingdom. I wonder why...

Um . . . maybe because animals are stupid unthinking beasts?

Just sayin' is all . . .
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