Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September

i am sure alot will get it but still ..all i was saying is they should stick to the rules wording because some are getting confused over that simple little thing..

for all i know they are just trying to find some loophole that doesn't exist or something..

i just figure if i have had 5 (guesstimate number)or more times someone say to me they are talking about mainland and it circles around the wording then LL is gonna have a bunch more..

That's an unanswerable question. No two people can agree on it. The US Supreme Court couldn't figure it out. Lots of us told LL that when they started this ridiculous plan, and it's been proven once again. It will continue to be proven over and over as ARs are submitted and judgement applied unequally.

According to Linden Lab, "adult content" is publicly advertised or promoted sexually oriented or extremely violent content.

I wasn't altogether in agreement with your previous post, but it was getting right into the nitty gritty so I didn't respond to it.

To my way of thinking, objects are content, including sex beds, whether or not they are being used, and whether or not they are being advertised. From that point of view, sex beds are adult content because their use is of an adult nature - again whether or not they are being used and/or advertised. They are allowed on mature land, they are allowed to be used on Mature land (but not in public view), but they are not allowed to be advertised on Mature land.

Activities are also content, in my view. Some adult activities are allowed on Mature land and some are not. E.g. sex in the open is banned but sex in private is not, except in a sex-oriented venue.

If I've understood correctly, you see content as being the wording rather than the objects. E.g. advertisements, signs, parcel names and descriptions, and such. I see it differently.

Minor cavil...can't mainland parcel owners "downgrade" their parcel? Say, from the region rating of Adult to Mature or PG?

no because the whole sim would have to change to that..

A picture of a nuclear explosion? That's "extremely violent", isn't it?
Bare breasts? If nipples are airbrushed out, is it still Adult Content?
Picture of fully clothed people in a hot embrace? Does it matter where the hands are?
Picture of a corpse? What if it's mutilated? At what point is that "extreme violence"?

When does a "burlesque" club become a "strip club", and when does it become Adult Content?

Are ponygirls "adult"? It was argued that the practice did not necessarily equate to sexual activity. How about Gorean slavery?

How about prim genitals, still transparent, worn on a public dance floor? One could argue they aren't in "public view", any more than the .45 I am wearing and have not yet drawn.

LL has NOT DEFINED, and cannot define, what they are trying to regulate. It's simply not possible.

i look at the rating system..see those things were not adult content before ..they were mature content before we had adult content..the object is rated by how it is used.
if it is used for the public then it needs to be rated adult and put to where people have to be verified to use it..
if the owner wants it to stay mature rated they will either have to keep it out of sight to be used or keep to the mature keywords and advertising to sell it on mature..

it's like R and X rating..you can see some nudity but you will have to go to x to see the pron hehehehehe

The parcel rating doesn't mean anything in this context.

I completely agree with that, except that those things *were* adult content before, in my view. Sex beds, for instance, have always been adult content in my view, but I do see what you mean by "mature content" and "adult content". However, most people won't even consider such a fine distinction and things like sex beds are sure to be seen as adult content.

The rating is for a region, and the only Mainland Adult regions are in Zindra.
If 'predictability' could be catered for by Mainlanders limiting access to 'age-verified', then we would be back to LL's original cluster-f of Age Verification - and no need for Zindra.


Real insanity is LL's decision to allow Mature parcels containing Adult content to be advertised and viewable by people looking within Mature.
The words for the things can not be in the parcel name, description. The things can not be flagged for Search.
How 'predictable' is that?
Someone of delicate sensibilities goes shopping for furniture, secure in the belief that all that filth is safely shut away in the red-light district, and WHAM! - right in front of their eyes, filling their screen while granny and the local priest look on .........
.. and not the slightest glimmer of a warning that they might be exposed to that sort of stuff.

Hi Phil,

Yes, the subject of the post is from the office hours - one of many that I and many other adult content providers have attended. As of yet, this is the first time LL or any Linden has actually quoted a start date when the enforcement starts, which Blondin announced yesterday was to be today (15th).

The post was/is made if good faith following the weeks/months of discussion about the upcomming (now actual ban) of adult content on Mature/PG (yes PG is already banned, but added for clarity) and following the spirit of discussion of the adult changes which has already taken place.

The posts following it just show the level of confusion that still surrounds the adult content changes, and that despite all of us at the numerous meetings, LL have STILL yet to communicate the changes effectively to thier customers.



In the main, it is Phil. Adult items should be ok in mature areas, as long as they are below the radar. However, if you publisice you have them, they are not allowed. For example:

Before the change, you can buy a "sex bed" from a store on mature land. Now you can buy the same bed, but it has to be called a "bed". It may be the same item, but you cannot sell it as that.

Once you buy the "bed", you can place it in your home on mature land, and use it with your partner etc. However, if you tell a few people or put it in your land description, send out a group notice to a party at your house, no matter how small etc, it's not allowed.

It's a crazy situation, and I didnt make the rules - my preference would have been to move the minority PG wanters to Zindra and leave the rest of us be



Not at all Eli, and it's not misinformation. If you own mature mainland with adult content and use any method to attract visitors to it on Mature mainland or private estate, you run a real risk of getting into bother now.

Yes, we on Zindra need all the help we can get to ensure the SL community know about Zindra - those on 1.22 or dont read the blogs or forums dont even know we exist - we are invisible to them - and should it be fair that adult businesses deliberately ignore the new rules to take commercial advantage of the situation? Also remember, whilst we may "own" land on Zindra, it's not "our" continent, it's there for all users to Second Life to enjoy, just like PG and Mature land is - the only exception, you need to prove you are what you say you were when you joined SL (i.e. over 18, or elvis lol)

Gomez

In the following I'm restricting my answers to what they've actually said.

No.

Bare breasts are not adult content except in a sexual context.

Don't know, they haven't said.

Ask a Linden on that.

When you add sexual pose balls.

They keep going back and forth on Gor.

Nude dancing isn't Adult, even with non-erect prim genitals.

There's a grey area, certainly, but there are places outside the grey area that you can actually point to, and "sex beds in private homes" are on the "not adult content" side.

Hi Gomez. Yes, the confirmation of the date was the news that came out of that office hour. It was the words in your first post that "all adult content is banned from Mature..." that set this thread going Ceka makes a valid distinction between mature content and adult content, and having sex can be either. I think that most people would consider that having sex, and the objects needed for that, is adult content, which is why I have been saying that adult content is allowed on mature land. There is no disagreement when it comes to advertising adult content - it's banned on mature land.

Well...

Mature.

Not "Mature unless ..."

Mature.

see that is why there is so much confusion..because it is rated like a movie..people see adult content and it is hard to grasp a sex be not being adult content..
they think the item is already rated as it is sitting in their inventory when really it is not rated yet..it is rated in how it is presented to the grid and used..

if we can get away from labeling the objects and look more at the actual rating it would be less confusing for many i think..

"Sounds mature to me"

Not "Mature"

This is the grey area - the policy is still vague, it's always going to be up to the Resi team member dealing with any potential AR, and it probably wont become clearer until the following days or weeks have passed and see what they do actually do in cases like this.

One thing that is for sure, to be completely safe from AR (even via potential neighbour AR harrasment), you would need to be on an Adult rated sim.

Gomez

Not "Sounds Mature unless blah blah blah" either.

The whole point of this exercise is PR. Make it look like SL isn't full of perverts.

I do see what you mean, and I don't disagree with it. The words "mature" and "adult" are often interchangeable, and at other times they mean something a little different to each other. Sex is an adult/mature activity, for instance.

Lindel said that LL can't come up with a good definition of what's allowed on mature land and what's not, and I agree with that as well. What they have done is stated that advertising adult content is banned from mature land, and we are all agreed on that aspect. They've also said that adult-oriented venues are banned from mature land. I think the only differences here lie in what is meant by "adult content". I think that most people would consider sex stuff and sex activities to be adult content, so I say that adult content is allowed on mature land. Even though your distinction between adult content and mature content is valid, I think that most people wouldn't even think of such a distinction.

All this is gonna do is make public sex fetish that much more exciting to do..

Oh you mean there is real risk now? \o/ Woots-n-stuff!!!

*Turns on Marvin Gaye* Lets get it OOoooonnn!!!
hehehehehe

I understand what you are saying..myself i am just trying to not confuse the situation more than LL has it already ..so i try to stick with what they consider adult or mature content..

i used to look at those things as adult content myself..but if i don't look at how LL is looking at them then i will be messing people up when i try to help them if they ask me how to rate their sim or if they have to stay or move to zindra..

a lot of people were really confused in some of my groups..i was just glad i got to explain it to them before they invested into something they didn't need to

Eep! Weasle sex!

hey wasn't there sposed to be a blog post of this epic event happening today??
can someone post the link??i can't find it..

Darn right there is a grey area. Note what you said here, and what Gomez said in the post above yours...



Look, I own a residential rental operation, on Mature mainland. My tenants have sex beds in their apartments. I have cuddle poses on the beach. I have my own sex furniture in my private residence next door, and a hot tub with sex poses in it, too.

This is not a "sexually themed" business, nor is it advertised as such. But you can bet your primnis that I'm going to hold community events there, and advertise them. Not orgies, simply parties and such.

Anybody who ARs me is going to have a fight on their hands.