Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September
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Lear Cale
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09-15-2009 11:51
From: Micheal Moonlight And I have a real important question.... Here in Canada it is legal for a woman to go topless anywhere a man can... I know some states also have that law.... and some other countries in the world.... so what about in SL? are nipples banned? Nudity is allowed in Mature land. BTW, so damn many funny posts above I spewed cola out my nose. And I wasn't even drinking cola! Esp the subthread about nipples in Canada. (Go to Australia: much better luck there.) I remember reading in office hours logs that the following are allowed in Mature land: 1) sex beds in private property, presumably out of sight from any PG land 2) furniture in stores that happens to have sex poses, as long as the focus of the shop and its advertising doesn't play up or focus on the sex. Point 2 was reinforced by a discussion a friend had with a Linden concerning her furniture shop (after that letter was incorrectly sent to her, informing her she had to move). However, I do not expect those enforcing the "rules" to be consistent, since they're not really clearly spelled out anywhere. BTW, this question has been asked many, many, many times, though maybe not in the blog post referred to above. |
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Lear Cale
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09-15-2009 11:53
From: Brenda Connolly That is about the only clear thing. If you have an Adult business, it must be on Zindra...or a private estate. I believe the private estate has to be rated Adult as well. You definitely have to have your sim rated Adult if you want to use and kinky terms in your parcel description. |
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Innula Zenovka
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09-15-2009 12:06
From: Lindal Kidd
Anybody who ARs me is going to have a fight on their hands.
That's the problem, though. If someone ARs you, your fight is going to be with the Resi Team (which I understand now incorporates the G team) and, as I understand it, their interpretation and application of these rules -- which are vague enough in the first place -- is a matter for them. In the matter of your tenants' parties, I think we went round the houses about this one in one of the earlier forum threads when Blondin still replied to stuff here; as I recall, it was one of those cases where you're *probably* ok but if someone happens upon your party.. possibly because he sees all these green dots on the map and decides to see what's happening ... and takes exception to what he finds, you *may not* be OK. That's one of the things that made me decide my residential sims were going to be adult unless the tenants asked me to keep them mature and gave me their word about what they would and wouldn't let happen at their parties. |
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Maggy Hazelnut
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09-15-2009 12:09
I am SO confused with reading everything and everyone's differing opinions.  I just want a clear answer on one thing please. I live in an open skybox on a friend's land that is a private sim rated Mature. I have a sex bed, sex rugs, a bondage scupture, etc., and yes I use them.  Do I have to move to Zinda or get rid of my stuff (heaven forbid!) or buy an enclosed skybox or what? |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-15-2009 12:12
Maggy if you're not selling those items or advertising it as an orgy room, then no you don't need to move.
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Gomez Bracken
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09-15-2009 12:15
From: Maggy Hazelnut I am SO confused with reading everything and everyone's differing opinions. I just want a clear answer on one thing please. I live in an open skybox on a friend's land that is a private sim rated Mature. I have a sex bed, sex rugs, a bondage scupture, etc., and yes I use them. Do I have to move to Zinda or get rid of my stuff (heaven forbid!) or buy an enclosed skybox or what? Do you "advertise" it anywhere (Picks, land description, groups etc), or hold parties etc there? If not, and it's not deliberately visible to passing people, you *should* be ok.. If you do, it needs to be on Adult land. Gomez
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Eli Schlegal
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09-15-2009 12:16
From: Gomez Bracken Do you "advertise" it anywhere (Picks, land description, groups etc), or hold parties etc there? If not, and it's not deliberately visible to passing people, you *should* be ok..
If you do, it needs to be on Adult land.
Gomez Parties? Please stop making things up. |
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Lindal Kidd
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09-15-2009 12:16
I *think* Ciaran is right, Maggy. He'd better be, because I have an open skybox up high too, and do all kinds of Adult Things there.
But as far as I know, no Linden has ever said, officially or otherwise, what the policy is on openly visible sex on private, un-advertised parcels.
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Maggy Hazelnut
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09-15-2009 12:18
No I don't have parties there (cept parties of two) and I don't advertise at all. It's my home. And thank you for all your answers. |
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Lindal Kidd
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09-15-2009 12:19
From: Innula Zenovka That's the problem, though. If someone ARs you, your fight is going to be with the Resi Team (which I understand now incorporates the G team) and, as I understand it, their interpretation and application of these rules -- which are vague enough in the first place -- is a matter for them..... I know, Innula. There's always the chance of a random prig plus a puritanical Linden inspector. I prefer to remain on Mature mainland, primarily because I like the location so much better than anything I've seen on Zindra.
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Kalor Rayner
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09-15-2009 12:24
I know, I did this in another thread, but here's a different Dilbert for the situation. http://kerstein.org/dilbert/dilbert_internet_porn.jpg |
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Eli Schlegal
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09-15-2009 12:30
From: Gomez Bracken Not at all Eli, and it's not misinformation. If you own mature mainland with adult content and use any method to attract visitors to it on Mature mainland or private estate, you run a real risk of getting into bother now.
Well gosh that is a little different from what you said in the title of the thread and your OP, isn't it? You conveniently left out the part about "using any method to attract visitors", didn't you? And you misquoted a Linden by making believe that he said it in that way. You said "In today's meeting, Blondin Linden has officially stated that all adult content on "mature" or "PG" land is banned and against the TOS as of 15th September 2009." and then you tried to encourage people to file bogus Abuse Reports based on this misinformation. |
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Gomez Bracken
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09-15-2009 12:38
From: Eli Schlegal and then you tried to encourage people to file bogus Abuse Reports based on this misinformation. Now who is misquoting? I've never done anything of the kind... I even posted a link to the full transcript for people to judge for themselves what was happening... Gomez
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Gomez Bracken
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09-15-2009 12:46
Just for clarification, i have removed the word "all" from the first post here to prevent any misunderstanding - don't want to be telling porkies now, do I Gomez
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Eli Schlegal
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09-15-2009 12:56
From: Gomez Bracken Now who is misquoting? I've never done anything of the kind... I even posted a link to the full transcript for people to judge for themselves what was happening...
Gomez It's still you (and only you) misquoting. You said "Blondin has also stated that any resident coming across adult content on mature land should AR the content, whereby it will be dealt with as an infringment." You made it sound like Blondin was telling everyone to go out and AR people's private, unadvertised, adult content. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-15-2009 13:24
From: Lindal Kidd
But as far as I know, no Linden has ever said, officially or otherwise, what the policy is on openly visible sex on private, un-advertised parcels.
Um. I'm pretty sure that in a followup to my Nude Beach question, Blondin said you couldn't have sex pose balls on your nude beach. They needed to be inside. |
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Gomez Bracken
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09-15-2009 13:24
From: Eli Schlegal It's still you (and only you) misquoting.
You said "Blondin has also stated that any resident coming across adult content on mature land should AR the content, whereby it will be dealt with as an infringment."
You made it sound like Blondin was telling everyone to go out and AR people's private, unadvertised, adult content. You must have missed my post #63 in this thread: From: someone [11:07] Gomez Bracken: Blondin. when is enforcement on the estates and mature mainland starting?
[11:07] Blondin Linden: the 15th Gomez
[11:09] Blondin Linden: people will try to hide it. In those cases, we'll NEED to rely on ARs
[11:11] Blondin Linden: Innula, the 15th is the date of compliance which means enforcement will start on the 15th, not the 16th
[11:11] Gomez Bracken: have the affected people been informed you will zap thier builds tomorrow?
[11:12] Blondin Linden: what do you mean by Zaping builds Gomez?
[11:12] Gomez Bracken: Well, if they have a build on mature land, and it's "adult"content, surely you would return it just like if I rez a fruit machine here now.
[11:14] Blondin Linden: Gomez, If thats what it comes down to. But it'll work like any other AR. I urge you to keep following up a few days after if any of you file ARs. You more you file the better.
[11:15] Blondin Linden: The more you file
[11:15] Gomez Bracken: I really dont want to have to AR people, it's not my job to do - LL made the rules, they should follow them through surely
in particular, in case you still missed it: From: someone
[11:09] Blondin Linden: people will try to hide it. In those cases, we'll NEED to rely on ARs
How would you interpret it then? Gomez
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-15-2009 13:26
From: Gomez Bracken
How would you interpret it then?
Like the difference between a liquor cabinet and a speakeasy. |
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Lindal Kidd
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09-15-2009 13:33
From: Gomez Bracken You must have missed my post #63 in this thread:
How would you interpret it then?
Gomez I agree that, read alone, Blondin seems to be saying, "residents, get out the pitchforks and torches and go find all the sexy stuff and AR it." What you are not taking into account (and what I am afraid a lot of OTHER people won't take into account) is that, ***by LL's definition*** "Adult Content" is not just "sexy stuff", it is *commercial, advertised sexy stuff*.
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Eli Schlegal
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09-15-2009 13:44
From: Gomez Bracken
How would you interpret it then?
Gomez
I see you and other's trying to manipulate Blondin into saying what you would like to hear and him just going "yeah... mmm hmm" and just trying to get the meeting over as quickly as possible. I don't anywhere see him saying "any resident coming across adult content on mature land should AR the content". |
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Innula Zenovka
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09-15-2009 13:58
From: Eli Schlegal Parties?
Please stop making things up. From: someone 3) I rent houses, in a Mature Mainland Sim, I get all sorts of tenants, Vampires, Goreans, BDSMers etc..... What if one of my tenants wants to have a party and advertises it - lets say for the sake of argument its a regular Saturday night BDSM party which they advertise. Lets then say adult activities are had within the privacy of one of my rental houses. These are things being done by my tenants, not organized or officially sanctioned by me (though not forbidden either). Yet advertised by the tenant. So where does that put me? Are my rentals suddenly Adult? Must I move because of the actions of my tenants? How would you police and enforce such a thing?
ANSWER: It would be up to you as the owner to decide whether or not to flag your land as Adult or Mature. The situation in question would appear to be adult and the tenant would either need to be on a parcel set to adult, on the adult mainland or adjusted such that it accommodates the mature rating. http://forums.secondlife.com/showpost.php?p=2390184&postcount=2389 later clarified by this: From: someone From: someone Originally Posted by Taly Fluffy
There is a difference between advertising a public party event, and informing friends of a private party event. Let's look at a wedding as an example.
If Jane & Bob run a land ad, a classified ad, or an event ad about their upcoming wedding on their private parcel, then they are publicly inviting strangers that they don't know, to come to their land. That constitutes a public wedding. It would have to conform to the Adult Content guidelines. (No adult content should be accessible at their event, if their sim isn't marked Adult.)
If Jane & Bob only send out IMs, notecards, and/or prim invitations to their personally selected friends, inviting them to their wedding, that's a private event, because they didn't run ads inviting strangers to show up. Private event - not publicly advertised - therefore a personal party where they can have a Wedding Reception Sex Orgy with their friends if they feel like it.
Correct, Blondin? Makes sense to me http://forums.secondlife.com/showpost.php?p=2405967&postcount=5453 |
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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09-15-2009 14:19
From: Lindal Kidd
When does a "burlesque" club become a "strip club", and when does it become Adult Content?
When it leaves the 1950's, they are the same thing. And in real life most strip clubs require you to be old enough to get in the door. But individual's opinions dont matter here...LL owns the servers, so their definition is the only one that does. They have listed it on the knowledge base page. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-15-2009 14:25
From: Eli Schlegal Parties?
Please stop making things up. It depends upon the nature of the party. Word of mouth can be considered advertising, this was mentioned a few months ago. Also having a large inworld group that regularly sends group notices advertising something like an orgy, would fall foul of the policy. |
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Kalor Rayner
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09-15-2009 14:42
The biggest problem that I see with this adult policy mess is the mass of confusion and contradictions coming from LL. Oh boy, you can sell a sex bed if you don't call it a sex bed. Sex clubs are ok as long as they aren't advertised as sex clubs. It is ridiculous. Send a single message to everyone and make it absolutely clear. Don't go pussyfooting around it by saying "oh here's a loophole you can exploit" and then wind up getting ARed and sanctioned for it later.
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Marigold Devin
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09-15-2009 14:46
Been reading loads of contradictory stuff - a lot about Blondin Linden (!) and this deadline of 15th September with Adult Content needing to go over to Zindra.
The good news is - you can just carry on as normal, PG or Mature SIMs can have their sex beds - because who the blinkin heck is going to be dealing with all the Abuse Reports the Governance Team will undoubtedly be swamped with?? There ain't nobody in the GTeam Office most of the time.
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