Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September

well I suppose while everyones discussing this no one's complaining about in world stability issues, tier charges being to high, and umpteen other issues this nonsense is diverting attention away from.

Actually I do think it was a call to AR to the groups who are attracted to doing such things. The statements regard AR and AR often were about as point blank as a Linden will ever get.

My problem with it is LL is not real good about actually investigating an AR.
EXAMPLE
Last year my partner got and AR for a cube that was spamming someone. He got a 1 day suspension.
problem was he hadnt logged in on that avatar in like 8 weeks
he cant script
never heard of the person who AR'd him
In short he didnt do it someone with a name 1 letter off his did.
LL ignored the appeal

I think when the big flood of ARs start rolling in alot of innocent homeowners that are not advertising and just have their private bed are gonna get caught in the net. Calling for residents to rat on residents has never been a good policy and I am just praying that the fallout doesnt get to epic proportions.

At the moment, all Adult businesses that were following LL's rules got a chance to get a swap to Zindra. So we moved. Now, LL has not made the 1.23 viewer which allows access to our businesses mandatory. They have hidden us in search, and not put up a lot of reasonable info for the masses. So now here we are,

In a nutshell, Gomez, and quite a few of us, have been to meetings (if you can call them that) and OH and spent a great deal of time mucking thru this, and fighting to get answers. Here's the summary for people that *don't quite get it*.

If you are an escort agency, sell sex, or promote adult activities, you MUST be on either an ADULT flagged private region (island, sim) or on Zindra. There is NO mainland that is approved for public/commercial adult activities except Zindra.

Marking a parcel *age verified only* DOES NOT make you in compliance. It only limits your prospective guests/employees. According to LL, and being in an adult flagged sim (Zindra mainland or private island) is all the action required.

To access adult rated land, you need payment info on file, payment info used OR Age verified.

You can get payment info on file various way, including adding a verified paypal to xstreet.

On Mature land, what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business.

Shops that sell adult items are mature, but you can't advertise your adult items, that makes you Adult.

If you want the freedom to do anything goes, like what you THOUGHT you had when you bought *mature* mainland, check out Zindra. There are parcels for sale, auction and rent.

Hope that helps.


~Brie

This thread smells of Zindra business owner(s) spreading misinformation in hopes of drawing attention to their business and their new continent,

Well, yes. But frankly, they deserve it. Moving to Zindra has been a huge pain for all of them, and during the transition at least, Search for them has been pretty useless.

That's certainly my understanding, too, and I've been following this pretty closely since it started. We sell primarily "Adult" content (i.e. it can only sensibly be advertised using filtered terms and should only be used in public on an Adult sim if you want to avoid the risk of ARs) but also carry a lot of "Mature" stuff as well.

Our Zindra and Mature shops carry pretty much identical product lines, but what we promote and how we advertise it has to be very different, depending on which store the advert points to.

Are you certain the estate owner is wrong?

If so, what gives you this certainty?

This below is the exact opposite of your opinion, and claims the estate owner is correct:


- Which really makes me wish I had known of and been present at that office hour...

Actually I had the impression there were a large number of people upset about things because vast swaths of Second Life had no clue of these changes. A factor that was literally screamed by more than one person at LL at almost every office hour on the topic I attended. Fact is most people do not read the blog (only around 22,000 have ever logged in there at least once) and do not really pay attention to the MOTD blurb on the screen as you log in. Probably less than 300 ever attended an office hour on the topic. Thus why I expect the outrage to suddenly increase in intensity.

If the estate owner told the tenant to remove all adult things from the skybox *because* of the adult policy, and the land is Mature - not PG, then, yes, I am certain that the estate owner has made a mistake because adult activities are not banned from inside homes on mature land.

The post you quoted (the original post of this thread) is wrong in what it says. Blondin didn't make any such statements.

But what gives you this belief?

In this thread, the only concerns that I've seen came about because of the statement in the original post - that ALL adult content is banned from Mature land as of today. That statement was wrong though. I haven't seen any posts about not knowing it was about to happen - but I didn't read the first few pages.

Sure... absolutely... I agree with you. However, none of that has anything to do with this particular thread which seems to be all about attempting to create some attention by using misinformation.

Explicit statements to that effect by Blondin Linden and archived on the slapt.me wiki.

Everything that any Linden has said on the subject - especially Blondin. You are only looking at one post on the subject - the first post in this thread - which is incorrect. If you go to page 6 and read through from there, you'll see what I mean. You'll also see a change of view from the author of the first post. Also, read Brieanne Bomazi's post on page 10 - it's very good.

I hesitate to answer for Phil... but... LL has stated over and over that if adult content is not overtly and extremly graphic and not advertised in search then it is ok on mature land.

None of which quotes him saying anything to imply the OP was wrong...

And Slapt.me's links to the contrary point to stuff that is pretty old from the early days of all of this.

Btw, you can see the transcript of the office hour, and also a cut down version of it, showing the relevant parts. If you read from page 6, you'll soon find the URL of the transcript. The cut down version is posted in this thread - maybe on page 7.

But there is nothing difinitive to point to to counter it either..that's the problem. Coomon sense would dictate you go by the last official statement....if we are going to use common sense, that is.

To be honest, Blondin has said so much over so long that finding the exact quotes probably isn't quick and easy - not for me anyway. You can choose to believe whichever you wish - one post at the start of this thread, even though the author said something different later in the thread, or several people in this thread, who have been following it all since the start, saying that the first post is incorrect. Brieanne Bomazi was actually at that office hour and yet she posted something quite different to the original post.

They include statements from before and after each of the related changes to the ToS, KB entries, and Community Standards. They were saying the same thing both before and after each change. They are consistent with what they are saying now.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that if an estate owner decides that they want zero adult content on a mature region, then there is not much I can do about it – it is their region to do with as they like.

I expect we will now see lots of inconsistencies about what is and isn’t allowed in residential properties on mature sims. It may well now just be at the owner's discretion.

It certainly makes me very wary of leasing land or renting property for residential purposes on mature sims. Mature is no longer an option for me if I want to have a property where I can build the kind of home I want without the thought that someone may come along and report it.

You have got to be jokeing lol
Consistent is the very thing they havent been... inless they are trying to be unclear that is.

No, they will not. We asked. The reasoning is something like: we don't want people to be able to *see* the adult content from neighboring regions. That's why the new adult continent, Zindra, is way the hell east of anything else.

The flaw in that theory is estates can have any combination of ratings next to each other, but they say estates can manage their guest's experience how they want.

In other words, if you are on an PG estate region, and there is an Adult one next door, and you are offended by what you see over the border, too bad. You can complain to the estate owner, but the Lindens wont do anything about it.

On the mainland, since Linden Lab is the estate owner, they would get the complaints directly, so to prevent that, they put all the Adult regions in one place. If you are not verified and have activated the settings, you can't get there at all or see any part of it. If you chose to take those active steps, you have no grounds to complain.

That's true. It's only if the estate owner made the decision *because* of the adult policy, and the land is not PG, that s/he would have made a mistake.

Agreed.

I think people who -want- to believe they can still have their sexbeds in their private homes are reading consistency into this; relying on old comments and so on - whereas there doesn't seem to be anything one way or the other directly on point in recent comments made since the policy seems to have been finalized.

I've got my own dose of wishful thinking, but I don't see anything contemporary backing up my desires...