Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September

exactly. they're gonna have to do a little bit better job on the wording

I think as usual, folks are freaking out...human nature.
Since predictions are being made here are mine:

How many LL employees handle AR's? Imagine that same group freaking exhausted by end of the month. Give it a few months if that long and I think we will see what we always see...nothing.

Hi Kidd,

From your question, it seemed you thought that private estates are treated differently to normal mature mainland, which is why i said that.

No, my question was not to see what is or is not allowed - this has already pretty much been done to death in previous meetings. What I wanted to know was when they would start to enforce the rules - as until yesterday, they had not commited to an exact date.

I hope this clarifies things for you.

Gomez

Thank you, Gomez, but nothing in that part indicates what you wrote in your original post:-

In fact, there's nothing there that indicates anything different to what we've always understood; i.e. adult content is allowed on mature land.

this.


waits for the "i saw a resident with a tag that said i am adult content wearing a skimpy skirt and top with high heels was i right to AR her" thread.

All land is composed of regions. Regions are owned by estate owners. Regions are divided into parcels. Parcels are owned by parcel owners.

Even if you "own a whole region" on the mainland, you don't own the region itself, you just own all the parcels on it.

in short a region is a slap of land 256*256 meter this happens to be the size of a whole sim. in the tier list 1/8 region should read as 1/8th region.

It does encompass all adult content - private and business - but most of it is NOT banned from mature land. What's banned from mature land are primarily sex places, and places that plug sex in the parcel's name and/or description and search (e.g. "sex beds" as distinct from "beds", "adult beds", "beds with animations", etc. So there's no change to what we'd already understood. Adult content IS allowed on mature land, but the original post had some people being concerned about something that isn't true.

(edited, nvm this part i deleted lol)

From the way I've seen LL describe it, a region isn't a sim. It's any number of sims that are owned by one person, whereas a sim is always 256 x 256 metres. For instance, Des owns a large region which consists of over 40 sims. However, the word "region" is often used to denote a sim.

You are mistaken. Adult content IS allowed on mature land. And it *is* worth disputing because some people in this thread have mistakenly understood that adult content is not allowed on mature land as of today (because the OP stated it), which is a great concern to them. There is no need to be concerned about something that isn't true.

ETA:
Where did your post go, Stephy?

I think you're thinking of "an Estate"

I deleted it and was rewording, but you already responded so I'm going to respond and not worry bout that post lol. What they consider adult content isn't allowed on mature sims at all, in a business and or advertised, private residence and non-business and non-advertised is still allowed on mature land, but cant just be out in plain view, you cant have sex out on the lawn l0l. However, the problem is determining what SL considers adult content, which they tried to define on their website posting. But, it's way to braud of a description, that is the the problem. So yes and no. I was pretty confused myself at first, afraid the club i part own would have to move, but with some simple research I have determined what we can and can't have for the most part and understand it. It's not a question of if adult content is allowed or not really, that part has been made clear it seems to me, it's understanding the definition of SL's adult content is the problem. I know what i'm saying im just not sure if i'm saying it to where others understand what im saying lol which is why i was rewording. ugh, it's going to be a big mess for them i know that much, I hope they are prepared lol

ok lemme try this lol, this is more what i was trying to say. whether or not adult content is allowed on mature sims in businesses isn't disputed, b/c they made it clear, adult content as defined by sl is not allowed in any business on any sim not rated adult. what WE consider adult content does not count nor does it matter when we speak of adult content being allowed all that matters is what SL considers "adult content", which is no longer allowed on ANY sim not rated adult that is in a business and or advertised. what is disputed is exactly what sl's definition of adult content is in detail b/c it's way too braud at this point. I guess why i'm stating this is because telling ppl adult content IS allowed as normal isn't true either, may further confuse those in the dark on all of this. hopefully that makes more sense, if not oh well, either way this will be a big mess lol

The official LL term for a 256x256 metre area is a Region, Sim or Simulator are accepted alternatives, sometimes Island is also used . A collection of Regions owned by a resident is normally called an Estate . Nearly all their official literature about land prices or tier uses the term region .

Not quite. A region is the land simulated by a single sim. Not just any 256x256 chunk of land.

I was a bit quick off the mark with my reply then

I won't go into the fine details with you The statement in the original post, that all adult content is banned from mature land as of today, is wrong, but some people in this thread have assumed it to be a correct statement. That's what I'm addressing. It's correct to say that adult content on mature land IS allowed. There are circumstances in which it isn't allowed, but that's different. For instance, places that are primarily adult aren't allowed, such as sex venues, and stores that mainly sell adult things. On the other hand, people's homes, and stores that sell mainly non-adult things but have a section of adult items, are allowed, provided that they don't advertise the adult part. That's what we've understood for a long time now, and nothing in Blondin's office hour log even appears to change it.

I deleted my post when I remembered that I was confusing "region" with "estate"

Hi Phil,

i think it could be looked at like the casino ban... If you have a private house, not advertised any way and have a gambling machine in it for your own use only, it's likely it will stay under the radar and wont be touched. However, if you send out a group notice or list it in the land description to attact others to use it, they it's gonna get AR'd.

My understanding is that you can have a sex bed etc, as long as it's for your personal use and don't show it off...

The fact is, there are still a LOT of adult clubs, shops and resorts still on Mature land - that is no longer allowed and the ban is enforced from today.

Gomez

Presumably, how this is to be interpreted is now up to the individual estate owners. I have been told to remove all adult content from a private residential skybox – situated at 2000 metres, with a security orb running, no access from anywhere on the ground and not listed anywhere – it’s pretty much invitation only.

To be honest, there is not much left in it now. Maybe that says something about how I live my life in SL – lol.

I’m not a premium account holder or content creator or business owner. I’m just someone who likes to spend some time in SL with the good friends I have made in here and have been happy to spend some of my own money to enjoy it. Most of that will end up as tier payments to LL eventually.

The parcel I lease on a mature private estate is now worthless as far as I am concerned. Maybe I can find a small corner on an “adult” sim I can rebuild on – but Second Life just lost a lot of its appeal to me. I don’t think I’ll be rushing back.

Hi Gomez,

That's a bit more like what I've been saying. Adult content is still allowed on mature land, and doesn't need to "stay under the radar". But there are circumstances in which it is no longer allowed. So people who have sex items in their 'mature land' homes have no cause for concern.

However, we've understood from way back that shops that sell primarily non-adult items, and also sell some adult items, are still allowed on mature land as long as the adult items are not advertised, and I saw nothing in the OH log to change that understanding. In fact, at one point, Blondin suggested using the word "bed" instead of "sex bed". For instance, in my store I sell mostly non-adult furniture and I also sell some sex furniture. The store is not primarily a sex store. There are no adult words in the place's name or description, so nothing of that nature appears in search. (I do use the word "adult" which I may have to change). I use the word "sex" on the signs for the sex furniture, and I may have to change them. But I am still allowed to sell those adult items in the store. That's what we've understood from soon after the new policy was announced, and there's nothing in the log that indicates anything different. Especially, there is no need for concern about private homes on mature land, because adult stuff is still allowed in them.

It sounds like the estate owner has misunderstood things, which is a shame from your point of view. But it's easily rectified by moving to another place.

Yes, but if you follow our subthread back to the beginning, the issue is that many people interpret your base post as saying that all adult content will be removed from mature sims. We all know that's not what has been said before, so a number of us read the transcript to see whether or not that's what Blondin actually said.

So now it sounds like we all agree that Blondin didn't say that all adult objects must or will be removed from Mature land, and that the base post here wasn't clear on this.

I'm not sure where you get this. A region is the land represented by an entire sim, in other words 256x256, as subsequent posts indicate.

You're correct that private regions are the only ones where the owners can change the rating themselves, and it wouldn't hurt if LL were more precise by saying "private region" instead of just "region". But I've never seen "region" used to refer to anything other than 256x256.

If someone bought up an entire mainland sim, and asked LL to change the rating, would they LL agree to do it?

Better question. How many people are planning on participating in this great sexbed hunt & lynching to get them all those AR's?
Who's organising the search, is there a pattern organised so we start from one corner of the mainland and work our way across with people checking everywhere between 0 and 4100 metres for sex items?
Is there tea and scones at the breaks or pie?
Or is it just a snoop & dob your neighbours in thing? Is there a reward for AR'ing sex stuff or at least a scoreboard somewhere?

Maybe Daniel Linden will come back and organize it. This thread is an interesting experiment. Not singling out the OP, but here is a reasonably informed resident who was at the meeting and heard the Lindenspeak. And it loks like he, hopefully is reading more into it than is there. But what about everyone else, the less streetwise person who may get this, after it's been filtered a bit? Even if it isn't the policy, how many will interpret it as a call to go out on an AR patrol?How will LL deal with a potential influx of well intentioned but invalid AR's. as well as those done in pure spite. Will they continue with their Shoot First, ask no questions ways? They have been so inconsistent and incompetent on these matters in the past that even with clear guidelines, what faith can we have in their ability to handle it?