Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September
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Brenda Connolly
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09-15-2009 08:55
From: Tristin Mikazuki You have got to be jokeing lol Consistent is the very thing they havent been... inless they are trying to be unclear that is. They've been consistent with "Official " announcements and blog posts, but every time Blondin or some of the others speak individually, they dance around the issues, almost as if they want to create confusion.
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09-15-2009 08:55
From: Pussycat Catnap None of which quotes him saying anything to imply the OP was wrong...
And Slapt.me's links to the contrary point to stuff that is pretty old from the early days of all of this. What in https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010 gives you cause for concern that content in private residences that's not being advertised should move to an Adult region? Particularly since the article explicitly says, "sexually-oriented objects such as "sex beds" or poseballs may not be located or sold in PG regions" rather than ".. may not be located or sold in PG *or Mature* regions" or "may *only* be located or sold in *Adult* regions"? All I can say is that I've been following this since just about when it started, and have attended most of Blondin's office hours on the subject since then. And, if the goalposts have suddenly moved, it's news to me. Why not attend Blondin's office hours (next one is the regular Wednesday one at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hanley/220/203/22 3.30pm -4.30pm STL) and ask him? I'm pretty sure I know what the answer will be, but you're clearly concerned and he may well be able to put your mind at rest.
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09-15-2009 08:58
From: Pussycat Catnap I think people who -want- to believe they can still have their sexbeds in their private homes are reading consistency into this; relying on old comments and so on - whereas there doesn't seem to be anything one way or the other directly on point in recent comments made since the policy seems to have been finalized.
There have been NO relevant changes in the ToS, CS, and KB related to this topic in MONTHS. MONTHS. The statements we're referring to are contemporary to the policy changes.
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09-15-2009 09:01
From: DanielRavenNest Noe No, they will not. We asked. The reasoning is something like: we don't want people to be able to *see* the adult content from neighboring regions. That's why the new adult continent, Zindra, is way the hell east of anything else.
The flaw in that theory is estates can have any combination of ratings next to each other, but they say estates can manage their guest's experience how they want. Also, the oceans of Zindra are rated Mature.
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09-15-2009 09:02
From: Pussycat Catnap I've got my own dose of wishful thinking, but I don't see anything contemporary backing up my desires... You shouldn't need anything contemporary (recent). An LL statement lasts until a contrary statement is made. It's rather like men and the words "I love you". Men say it once, and the truth of it lasts until they say something to the contrary, whereas women want to be told it quite often 
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09-15-2009 09:07
Amusingly, the whois database says about the secondlife domain: Adult Content: No It shows on that page that the blogs and wiki are getting more page hits than this forum, but I cant translate the data into how many SL users have seen the blog. http://www.who.is/website-information/secondlife.com/
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Brenda Connolly
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09-15-2009 09:09
From: Phil Deakins You shouldn't need anything contemporary (recent). An LL statement lasts until a contrary statement is made. It's rather like men and the words "I love you". Men say it once, and the truth of it lasts until they say something to the contrary, whereas women want to be told it quite often  Yeah, well you know, we'd still like to hear it every so often, just the same.
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09-15-2009 09:15
From: Argent Stonecutter Also, the oceans of Zindra are rated Mature. That's not correct, I just did a map scan of all the water regions around Zindra, and they all report as (Adult). If you have a counter-example, let me know and I will go visit it to make sure. There *were* some regions incorrectly rated when first set up (including land regions), but I think they have fixed all that.
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09-15-2009 09:23
From: Brenda Connolly Yeah, well you know, we'd still like to hear it every so often, just the same. I think men do too  It's just that men expect that, once said by them (us), it stands until they say something different.
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09-15-2009 09:24
From: DanielRavenNest Noe That's not correct, I just did a map scan of all the water regions around Zindra, and they all report as (Adult). If you have a counter-example, let me know and I will go visit it to make sure. I visited Zindra in a NPIOF non-age-verified account this past weekend. If they fixed them, it happened in the past 48 hours.
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09-15-2009 09:31
From: Leslie Trihey If a teen/kid see's a unclad nipple they might kill people... or something..  If my av goes to Zindra and see topless women and then has a wet dream later that evening in his PG home, does he run the chance of being AR'd.
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09-15-2009 09:35
From: Bradley Bracken If my av goes to Zindra and see topless women and then has a wet dream later that evening in his PG home, does he run the chance of being AR'd. Something runs, but I oubt it's the chance of being ARed 
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Bradley Bracken
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09-15-2009 09:38
From: Phil Deakins Hi Gomez,
That's a bit more like what I've been saying. Adult content is still allowed on mature land, and doesn't need to "stay under the radar". But there are circumstances in which it is no longer allowed. So people who have sex items in their 'mature land' homes have no cause for concern.
However, we've understood from way back that shops that sell primarily non-adult items, and also sell some adult items, are still allowed on mature land as long as the adult items are not advertised, and I saw nothing in the OH log to change that understanding. In fact, at one point, Blondin suggested using the word "bed" instead of "sex bed". For instance, in my store I sell mostly non-adult furniture and I also sell some sex furniture. The store is not primarily a sex store. There are no adult words in the place's name or description, so nothing of that nature appears in search. (I do use the word "adult" which I may have to change). I use the word "sex" on the signs for the sex furniture, and I may have to change them. But I am still allowed to sell those adult items in the store. That's what we've understood from soon after the new policy was announced, and there's nothing in the log that indicates anything different. Especially, there is no need for concern about private homes on mature land, because adult stuff is still allowed in them. I'm sorry Phil, but if you have sex beds I will have to AR you. Everytime I see such things I worry that I may not get to heaven.
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09-15-2009 09:40
From: Micheal Moonlight I for one Welcome our porn free Overlords!!! Praise the day I can go somewhere and not see naked noobies with there freenis's going SEX ME SEX ME!@ My kind of man 
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09-15-2009 09:45
From: Bradley Bracken I'm sorry Phil, but if you have sex beds I will have to AR you. Everytime I see such things I worry that I may not get to heaven. What if I get you some nice girlies to play with on the sex beds? Will you not AR me then? 
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09-15-2009 09:46
From: Phil Deakins Thank you, Gomez, but nothing in that part indicates what you wrote in your original post:-
In fact, there's nothing there that indicates anything different to what we've always understood; i.e. adult content is allowed on mature land.[/QUO
Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September NOW DOES THAT MEAN NO ADULT CONTENT OR DOES IT MEAN YES YOU CAN HAVE ADULT CONTENT In my native tounge no adult content would mean none. Can a Linden put this in writing as stores have moved to adult land at there expence yet now there is romours that sex beds are allowed to be sold on mature land. (smashes head on desk)
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09-15-2009 09:51
From: Sireus Shiras From: Phil Deakins Thank you, Gomez, but nothing in that part indicates what you wrote in your original post:-
In fact, there's nothing there that indicates anything different to what we've always understood; i.e. adult content is allowed on mature land. Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September NOW DOES THAT MEAN NO ADULT CONTENT OR DOES IT MEAN YES YOU CAN HAVE ADULT CONTENT In my native tounge no adult content would mean none. Can a Linden put this in writing as stores have moved to adult land at there expence yet now there is romours that sex beds are allowed to be sold on mature land. (smashes head on desk) A forum thread title is *not* an offical statement. An examination of the office hour log by a number of people in this thread, reveals that no such statement was made by any Linden and yet the source of (reason for) the thread title and post was that office hour. The original post, and the title of this thread, are wrong. There is no new LL language, and adult content is *not* banned from Mature land.
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09-15-2009 09:52
From: Argent Stonecutter All land is composed of regions. Regions are owned by estate owners. Regions are divided into parcels. Parcels are owned by parcel owners.
Even if you "own a whole region" on the mainland, you don't own the region itself, you just own all the parcels on it. my point was they need to stick to their wording they use in the CS if they are going to use it in the definitions..you have private region owners thinking they are talking about mainland regions because they left off the word private.. in the maturity definitions they only mention region.. so you have some going to the definitions and not seeing private regions and not knowing that someone that owns a whole mainland sim cannot change their rating so they think they are referring to mainland.. i've had people say to me..well they are talking about mainland..i didn't see private region in there ..i looked in the definitions and we are not there so i don't have to change..then i tell them..mainland regions cannot change thier rating so the only ones they can be talking about is private regions..then most times it is..ohh they can't change their rating?
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09-15-2009 09:53
adult sales and sex brothels are to be on Adult Zindra Land
what you have at your home is your thing on mature
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09-15-2009 09:56
From: Pussycat Catnap Agreed.
I think people who -want- to believe they can still have their sexbeds in their private homes are reading consistency into this; relying on old comments and so on - whereas there doesn't seem to be anything one way or the other directly on point in recent comments made since the policy seems to have been finalized.
I've got my own dose of wishful thinking, but I don't see anything contemporary backing up my desires... I have to agree here. Someone please show me something in the TOS or CS that says in clear language that "Adult content is allowed on private land" or anything even close to that. What we do have is a lot of "Blondin said" Try using that in your appeal to the AR about your sex bed or nude picture.. It is meaningless. ALL that matters is what the TOS and CS say. And they are clear as mud on this topic. I will consider that ALL adult content is not allowed on mature parcels period. Until the TOS/CS specificly allows it, as far as I am concerned it is banned. I rented a homestead 2 months ago over this, now flagged adult, and with no public access to boot. I could see it coming, the massive AR's, the lack of anything clear on the subject. Think about it, it is win-win for LL. You now have to move to Adult land, either buy into Zimbra, or rent/own a private estate. Just more tier for them. And if you leave over it? Also good, they have made it very clear that the Adult content people are not wanted and are only in the way of their plans for a corporate presense in SL.
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09-15-2009 09:59
From: Ceka Cianci my point was they need to stick to their wording they use in the CS if they are going to use it in the definitions..you have private region owners thinking they are talking about mainland regions because they left off the word private.. I'm not sure I understand why. If they meant mainland regions then they would say mainland. The word "region" doesn't have anything to do with whether the region is on a private estate or the Linden estate. From: someone in the maturity definitions they only mention region.. Right. Regions are the smallest things that can be rated. Whether they're on the Linden estate (mainland) or private estates. It's up to the ESTATE OWNER to set the region's rating.
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09-15-2009 10:08
From: Lizz Silverstar I have to agree here. Someone please show me something in the TOS or CS that says in clear language that "Adult content is allowed on private land" or anything even close to that.
What we do have is a lot of "Blondin said"
Try using that in your appeal to the AR about your sex bed or nude picture.. It is meaningless. ALL that matters is what the TOS and CS say. And they are clear as mud on this topic.
I will consider that ALL adult content is not allowed on mature parcels period. Until the TOS/CS specificly allows it, as far as I am concerned it is banned.
I rented a homestead 2 months ago over this, now flagged adult, and with no public access to boot. I could see it coming, the massive AR's, the lack of anything clear on the subject. Think about it, it is win-win for LL. You now have to move to Adult land, either buy into Zimbra, or rent/own a private estate. Just more tier for them. And if you leave over it? Also good, they have made it very clear that the Adult content people are not wanted and are only in the way of their plans for a corporate presense in SL. the reason you don't see it is because it's not adult content..a sex bed in not adult content at all..now put a sign in your front yard or an add in the search saying ..free to have sex on my sex bed and you just turned your bed into a place to have free sex..it just changed it to adult content..it's in the definitions.. the activities are not adult activities until you draw people to them or expose people to them..they would be mature activities unless you advertise or promote it..
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09-15-2009 10:11
From: Argent Stonecutter I'm not sure I understand why. If they meant mainland regions then they would say mainland. The word "region" doesn't have anything to do with whether the region is on a private estate or the Linden estate.
Right. Regions are the smallest things that can be rated. Whether they're on the Linden estate (mainland) or private estates. It's up to the ESTATE OWNER to set the region's rating. the thing is we have been on the subject since it has started with the whole zindra move and the definitions and things..some people are just now finding out..look how many people in here are still confused about things that have been keeping up with this.. there are so many in world that are starting from scratch on it.. some probably don't even know the CS has changed in the last year heheheheh 
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09-15-2009 10:25
From: Ceka Cianci the thing is we have been on the subject since it has started with the whole zindra move and the definitions and things..some people are just now finding out..look how many people in here are still confused about things that have been keeping up with this.. That's completely true, but it's more because most people haven't even looked at the definitions at all than that there's something wrong with the word region.
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09-15-2009 10:26
From: Phil Deakins A forum thread title is *not* an offical statement. An examination of the office hour log by a number of people in this thread, reveals that no such statement was made by any Linden and yet the source of (reason for) the thread title and post was that office hour. The original post, and the title of this thread, are wrong. There is no new LL language, and adult content is *not* banned from Mature land. you can't have adult content on mature land..you have to keep it's rating mature content for it to exist there..use adult keywords and you will have to move it to adult rated land.. i'm just curious what people think adult content is.
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