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Adult content officially banned from Mature and PG land from 15th September

Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 16:06
as far as sex beds and sex pose balls and killing someone and chopping them up in your house is allowed..
well as long as you have permission from the person to kill them and chop them up of course heheheh
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Kalor Rayner
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09-14-2009 16:07
What? I need permission to kill someone and chop them up? What is this SL coming to? lol
Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 16:08
From: Kalor Rayner
What? I need permission to kill someone and chop them up? What is this SL coming to? lol

well i guess if they are in your house you really don't lol :D
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Kalor Rayner
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09-14-2009 16:10
Good. Now I just need the hockey mask and the large knife. bwahahaha

:D
Wynochee LeShelle
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09-14-2009 16:11
Blondin is fun again. I will not AR whatsoever.
Last biz-year they made 350 000 000 Dollar from us all. Which is enough to hire some staff to enforce things.
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The actual rules say:
09-14-2009 16:13
Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:

* Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
* Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph
* Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010


The "advertises or publicly promotes" is your escape clause if you do it in private. If you dont do either, its not adult rated
Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 16:17
as much crazy stuff as i have seen in sl with people doing all kinds of things..i'm not AR'ing anyone over some sex stuff unless they are doing it to be annoying..
as much grief as everyone has went through to have them say..ok residents now AR away..
Bleh..
I agree ..I'm not lifting a finger..I don't care what i see on mature lol..
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Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 16:20
From: DanielRavenNest Noe


The "advertises or publicly promotes" is your escape clause if you do it in private. If you dont do either, its not adult rated

exactly..the content itself is not rated until it is dropped and used .then determining it's use is what rates it adult or mature :)
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Kalor Rayner
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09-14-2009 16:20
I'm not going to be out there ARing either. Although you can be sure that there will be the annoying vigilantes out there ARing anyone for the smallest little thing.
Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 16:25
From: Kalor Rayner
I'm not going to be out there ARing either. Although you can be sure that there will be the annoying vigilantes out there ARing anyone for the smallest little thing.

i'm sure some people that had to move to zindra won't hold back on the AR's and really i couldn't blame them..they have been forced to live under adult rating this whole time while matures people could still use mature search without the age verify.
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09-14-2009 16:38
So what the hell happened to the idea that they were only after the ADVERTISED and VISIBLE IN SEARCH adult content?


From: Blondin Linden Office Hours (4/22/09)

[15:38] Sin Toshi: but, you say that sex poseballs can be sold in Mature?
[15:39] Blondin Linden: We realize that even sex animations can be sold on Mature even though people liek to test ouit what they buy first
[15:40] Blondin Linden: That is still MAture
[15:41] Blondin Linden: The demos are fine and wont get you into trouble nor will they be adult enough to qualify you as ADULT
[15:42] Blondin Linden: What kind of language do you use to advertise Sin?
[15:43] Blondin Linden: as long as you avoid oviously adult words like *CENSORED*, *CENSORED*, *CENSORED*, stuf like that, then your fine and don't have to worry about anything


From: Blondin Linden Office Hours (4/29/09)

[15:46] Blondin Linden: [15:42] *Resident*: i saw a notice, that spoke of any location which advertised or marketed adult content....what if the content is on a site, but it is not advertised, or marketed.....is it ok then? ANSWER: Selling Adult COntent doesn't mean the vendor has to be on Adult land.

[15:48] Blondin Linden: [15:42] *Resident*: and what's to sto an overzealous G-Team person from pouncing on us if they come in the store and see the word BDSM... even if we don't advertise with it ANSWER: There will be a process for appealing any G Team decision that you find unfair

[16:02] Blondin Linden: [15:53] *Resident*: no, no, no Blondin.. you totally missed the point.. YOU SAID that STORES would be mature, clubs would be ADULT. Don't filter SHOPPING parcels, since you said THOSE ARE MATURE. ANSWER: Yes I did. And the stores would be mature. But the key words they use would be flagged adult

[16:14] Blondin Linden: [16:03]*Resident*: Blondin, So if a store is mature and its keywordas are adult, does that mean that the store can be in a mature region, but in order to find it in the search you would have to check the adult option and have your viewer set to adult level? ANSWER: If they use Adult keyword, they will ahve to be on Adult land.


From: Blondin Linden Office Hours (5/20/09)

[16:19] Blondin Linden: [16:06] *Resident*: Well they said from the start that this isn't about preventing people selling sex beds on mature land...you just can't advertise a sex bed in classifieds as sex is filtered ANSWER: Correct.


From: Blondin Linden Office Hours (6/17/09)

[12:27] Blondin Linden: [12:18] Sin Toshi: at your office hours, Blondin, you told me I would be able to sell (and demo) sex poseball on mature land as long as I did not advertise them...But your answer to *Resident* is throwing all kind of doubt on that? Is it safe to have unadvertised sexual content on mature land? ANSWER: You can sell your pose balls and sexual content on mature land as as long as the words you use to advertize are not adult. Adult key words can only be used on adult land. Also, the content itself doesn't make the store automatically adult. You need to ask yourself. :How do I want to advertize and how do I plan on reaching my customers?"

[12:42] Blondin Linden: [12:30] *Resident*: Blondin, you just said that pose balls and sexual furnitures sellers can sell them on mature lands if they don't advertise them using adult words In that case, can they have those adult products on demo in their mature shop , or only sell them through vendors ? ANSWER: People will be allowed to demo content they wish to purchase. It would be unfair to say No. We've all had buyers remorse in SL




From: Blondin Linden: 9-02-2009

[16:03] Sin Toshi: Is unadvertised sex poseball/sex bed content still OK on mature land? Did that policy change at some point? Or did I misunderstand what you told me during previous office hours?
[16:04] Blondin Linden: You can sell a sex bed on Mature land
[16:04] Sin Toshi: but not poseballs?
[16:04] Blondin Linden: you can sell those too
[16:04] *Resident*: i moved my sexbed business as i mistakenly thought i would face trouble if i didnt...
[16:05] Blondin Linden: well, Story, on Adult land, you can now advertize SEX BED. While on Mature land, you can advertize BED. Its a way to reach your market



If the policy has changed (or has always been) that all COMMERCIAL and/or PUBLICLY AVAILABLE adult content has to move to Zindra, then I wish the official Linden spokesperson an Adult Content issues would stop saying otherwise.
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09-14-2009 16:46
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Hayden Hedges
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09-14-2009 16:48
Words fail me when it comes to expressing how utterly pathetic I find this whole business. Don't forget to attend virtual church on Sunday guys. Before long we can ensure Second Life is nothing more than an anti septic, bible belt, suburbia only less fun.

And no, I don't care about porn or violence in SL. There's plenty of porn and violence elsewhere. What I care about is this crass over sanitisation that is definitely looming.

I'm so glad Linden Labs can protect me from seeing anything nasty simply because I do not wish to share any more personal info with them to prove I'm all grown up now.
Innula Zenovka
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09-14-2009 17:12
From: Sin Toshi
So what the hell happened to the idea that they were only after the ADVERTISED and VISIBLE IN SEARCH adult content?
If the policy has changed (or has always been) that all COMMERCIAL and/or PUBLICLY AVAILABLE adult content has to move to Zindra, then I wish the official Linden spokesperson an Adult Content issues would stop saying otherwise.

No. you can, at least at as I understand it, still sell your sex beds and pose balls on mature land, so long as you don't use filtered terms in the advertising.

However, if your customers want to use them outdoors or make them available to the general public rather than invited guests, they need so to do on Adult land, or at least that's my understanding of the situation.
cougar Dovgal
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09-14-2009 17:13
From: DanielRavenNest Noe
Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following:

* Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)
* Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph
* Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010


The "advertises or publicly promotes" is your escape clause if you do it in private. If you dont do either, its not adult rated



(It well kill sims and SL and BIG TIME DRAMA ON PG SIMS that is NOT GOOD GUYS
sry to say this age verification well FAILED)
Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 17:18
From: Sin Toshi
So what the hell happened to the idea that they were only after the ADVERTISED and VISIBLE IN SEARCH adult content?

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Originally Posted by Blondin Linden Office Hours (4/22/09)
[15:38] Sin Toshi: but, you say that sex poseballs can be sold in Mature?
[15:39] Blondin Linden: We realize that even sex animations can be sold on Mature even though people liek to test ouit what they buy first
[15:40] Blondin Linden: That is still MAture
[15:41] Blondin Linden: The demos are fine and wont get you into trouble nor will they be adult enough to qualify you as ADULT
[15:42] Blondin Linden: What kind of language do you use to advertise Sin?
[15:43] Blondin Linden: as long as you avoid oviously adult words like *CENSORED*, *CENSORED*, *CENSORED*, stuf like that, then your fine and don't have to worry about anything
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden Office Hours (4/29/09)
[15:46] Blondin Linden: [15:42] *Resident*: i saw a notice, that spoke of any location which advertised or marketed adult content....what if the content is on a site, but it is not advertised, or marketed.....is it ok then? ANSWER: Selling Adult COntent doesn't mean the vendor has to be on Adult land.

[15:48] Blondin Linden: [15:42] *Resident*: and what's to sto an overzealous G-Team person from pouncing on us if they come in the store and see the word BDSM... even if we don't advertise with it ANSWER: There will be a process for appealing any G Team decision that you find unfair

[16:02] Blondin Linden: [15:53] *Resident*: no, no, no Blondin.. you totally missed the point.. YOU SAID that STORES would be mature, clubs would be ADULT. Don't filter SHOPPING parcels, since you said THOSE ARE MATURE. ANSWER: Yes I did. And the stores would be mature. But the key words they use would be flagged adult

[16:14] Blondin Linden: [16:03]*Resident*: Blondin, So if a store is mature and its keywordas are adult, does that mean that the store can be in a mature region, but in order to find it in the search you would have to check the adult option and have your viewer set to adult level? ANSWER: If they use Adult keyword, they will ahve to be on Adult land.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden Office Hours (5/20/09)
[16:19] Blondin Linden: [16:06] *Resident*: Well they said from the start that this isn't about preventing people selling sex beds on mature land...you just can't advertise a sex bed in classifieds as sex is filtered ANSWER: Correct.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden Office Hours (6/17/09)
[12:27] Blondin Linden: [12:18] Sin Toshi: at your office hours, Blondin, you told me I would be able to sell (and demo) sex poseball on mature land as long as I did not advertise them...But your answer to *Resident* is throwing all kind of doubt on that? Is it safe to have unadvertised sexual content on mature land? ANSWER: You can sell your pose balls and sexual content on mature land as as long as the words you use to advertize are not adult. Adult key words can only be used on adult land. Also, the content itself doesn't make the store automatically adult. You need to ask yourself. :How do I want to advertize and how do I plan on reaching my customers?"

[12:42] Blondin Linden: [12:30] *Resident*: Blondin, you just said that pose balls and sexual furnitures sellers can sell them on mature lands if they don't advertise them using adult words In that case, can they have those adult products on demo in their mature shop , or only sell them through vendors ? ANSWER: People will be allowed to demo content they wish to purchase. It would be unfair to say No. We've all had buyers remorse in SL


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden: 9-02-2009
[16:03] Sin Toshi: Is unadvertised sex poseball/sex bed content still OK on mature land? Did that policy change at some point? Or did I misunderstand what you told me during previous office hours?
[16:04] Blondin Linden: You can sell a sex bed on Mature land
[16:04] Sin Toshi: but not poseballs?
[16:04] Blondin Linden: you can sell those too
[16:04] *Resident*: i moved my sexbed business as i mistakenly thought i would face trouble if i didnt...
[16:05] Blondin Linden: well, Story, on Adult land, you can now advertize SEX BED. While on Mature land, you can advertize BED. Its a way to reach your market
==================================================

If the policy has changed (or has always been) that all COMMERCIAL and/or PUBLICLY AVAILABLE adult content has to move to Zindra, then I wish the official Linden spokesperson an Adult Content issues would stop saying otherwise.



that's about how it has been..the content if you use mature keywords keeps it mature..
use adult keywords and then you are selling adult content..it changes the content's rating..

like blondin said in the last quote..

[16:05] Blondin Linden: well, Story, on Adult land, you can now advertize SEX BED. While on Mature land, you can advertize BED. Its a way to reach your market

they can both be the same exact bed with the same animations in them..use sex bed and you are advertising adult content.use bed and it has sex animations in it and it is mature content..

I hope i wasn't off track in what your question was..bleh..they need someone there that can just spit it out instead of walk on eggshell confusing all of us...
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09-14-2009 17:19
From: Ceka Cianci

[16:05] Blondin Linden: well, Story, on Adult land, you can now advertize SEX BED. While on Mature land, you can advertize BED. Its a way to reach your market


LOL


If it wasn't so pathetic that would be hilarious.
Ceka Cianci
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09-14-2009 17:23
From: Hayden Hedges
LOL


If it wasn't so pathetic that would be hilarious.

ya that explanation was pretty terrible lol
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09-14-2009 17:23
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IF this encompasses all adult content, not just businesses, as they have repeatedly stated, then LL can go to Hell and do their own dirty work. I wouldn't file an AR if I saw two nuns and a penquin wearing a strapon going at it at The Governor's Mansion.
No, but if you happen across that, send me pics! :p
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[11:14] Blondin Linden: Gomez, If thats what it comes down to. But it'll work like any other AR. I urge you to keep following up a few days after if any of you file ARs. You more you file the better.
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09-14-2009 17:24
I paid a lot of money for a store parcel on the border of a welcome area. It did OK for a while then new residents seemed to stop flying around after landing.

I took advantage of the offer to swap to Zindra. The new location in the upper west part of zindra off by itself does 10 times the business the location next to a welcome area did. The demographic there is absolutely expressly interested in adult content.

I have no idea why all of you are complaining. You had your chance to move free. If you blew it off then go visit the auction or wait till the prices really go up or rent. Or flag your private estate adult. Or don't and stop with commercialized adult content. Your choice.
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09-14-2009 17:28
From: Ann Otoole
I paid a lot of money for a store parcel on the border of a welcome area. It did OK for a while then new residents seemed to stop flying around after landing.

I took advantage of the offer to swap to Zindra. The new location in the upper west part of zindra off by itself does 10 times the business the location next to a welcome area did. The demographic there is absolutely expressly interested in adult content.

I have no idea why all of you are complaining. You had your chance to move free. If you blew it off then go visit the auction or wait till the prices really go up or rent. Or flag your private estate adult. Or don't and stop with commercialized adult content. Your choice.



Maybe because some of us enjoy being adults, making adult decisions, and not having our hands held by Linden Labs. I'm glad your business is doing well in Second Life. My business is in Real Life so I couldn't give a fig for the financial implications of this whole thing.

If you can't see something wrong with making "adult" zones in a community that is already supposed to be for adults and already has mature and PG sims then I guess you may never get it at all.
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09-14-2009 17:33
From: Ann Otoole
I paid a lot of money for a store parcel on the border of a welcome area. It did OK for a while then new residents seemed to stop flying around after landing.

I took advantage of the offer to swap to Zindra. The new location in the upper west part of zindra off by itself does 10 times the business the location next to a welcome area did. The demographic there is absolutely expressly interested in adult content.

I have no idea why all of you are complaining. You had your chance to move free. If you blew it off then go visit the auction or wait till the prices really go up or rent. Or flag your private estate adult. Or don't and stop with commercialized adult content. Your choice.
Why are we complaining? You don't come to this forum very often, do you? It's what we do.
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09-14-2009 17:50
If a teen/kid see's a unclad nipple they might kill people... or something.. :O :P
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09-14-2009 17:57
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If a teen/kid see's a unclad nipple they might kill people... or something.. :O :P

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09-14-2009 18:01
From: Leslie Trihey
If a teen/kid see's a unclad nipple they might kill people... or something.. :O :P




what if it's ironclad, like, say, Janet Jackson?

(though i will admit, no one died over that one...)


:D
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