Our favorite little adfarmer takes aim at Linden Lab auction Sims

There are no LSL calls available for age verified avatars. You can't look at someone's profile to find out if they are age verified. Why LL have done this is a mystery, but people have been complaining about it with regards to controlling age verified parcels, even if you block non age verified residents they can just fly 51 metres above the parcel and gain access because of this and you can't build your own security system.

We have a beta age verification system in place

So its all fixed, cause Aunt Robin Said so.

You should stop trying to bring reality into any discussion.


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I think that Sling's point was tho - Why would you make the ability to hide ad farms without also including the ability to hide adult content from non-Age Verified people.

Does age verification actually work for non US players, because I've tried several times over the last few months with a variety of identifications such as passport and driver's license, and no go, I don't exist apparently.

I was joking hence the Aunt Robin and the no reality comments.

I have no idea if it works - I do know it doesn't seem to be really tied to anything in world as was mentioned.

Wasnt this Age Verification stuff originally hinted at in MAY?

Which May?

May 07 they said it was coming right?

I mean .. wow ... is it that complex a thing?

They added voice in less time than Age verification is taking.

I don't really get the problem with object muting and privacy.

Firstly, already now it is ludicrously easy to cam through walls. Everybody may do that. Secondly, using the debug option /Client/Rendering/Hide Selected already now mutes objects on demand, although just temporarily. Everybody can do that, too.

So how is the option for an individual client to permanently mute specific objects reducing privacy when -- let's be honest! -- there is no privacy in the first place?

Having said that, I'd love to see object render muting. The earlier, the better.

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Well, my point was intended the other way around - that LL would have to implement visual muting of everything in a restricted parcel for restriction of parcel content to actually work. Otherwise a non-verified avatar in a neighbouring non-restricted parcel could get corrupted --- or something far worse - somebody might sue.

But now that you raise the sheer surreality of the IDV implementation to date, I can see that the sequence should indeed be the reverse.
LL blogged that they are considering ways of dealing with ad farms. Parcel muting would be a way to remove the ugly land-griefing, and therefore the destroy that business model. LL wouldn't have to make any value judgements.
With parcel muting for ad farms in place, somebody might be able to make them see that it would be kinda handy if the muting code could also be used in relation to IDV.
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Chicken-Egg, Egg-Chicken? Who cares?

I'm sure you understand our position.

Our group plots are established data points in Second Life. Whether we are involved in one project or a hundred projects is irrelevant. The fact remains, we have broken no rules and stepped on no toes in conducting our business.

Today's project may or not be tomorrow's project. We maintain the right to develop and impliment new projects. It's no secret SL is a technological complexity where inter-communication with the outside world is not only allowed, but encouraged.

We have been around a long time. Alot longer than ad farmers, but probably not as long as land extortionists. Again, it is patently unfair to suggest our business must stop, because of something Johnny Comelately does. We will not allow ourselves to slip through those cracks.

There is nothing we do, that Linden Lab is not aware of. We have no reciprical agreements or anything beyond our acceptance of the Terms of Service and Linden Lab's comittment to provide it. That said, we choose to keep in good standing with LL, by not publishing data which could be detrimental to them (or anyone else for that matter). We are not management, nor governance and we choose to not get involved.

Again, the reason for posting here, is because alot of people are (1) Abusive (2) Obstructive (3) Slanderous/Libelous (4) Disrespectful of our privacy.

It is patently wrong, to break the rules and involve others who have done no harm, simply because it's in vogue to lobby against and entirely different wing of the community.

Well, here they don't so much hassle as put on a show.

That's a whole different thang.

We only have your word that you "have done no wrong" which is as worthless as anyone else's word in the anonymity of online.

People are naturally skeptical of anyone who says "just trust me". I'm sure you can think of several less-than-wholesome examples in the real world without me spelling them out to you.

You see, I treat these sort of things with the same contempt as people who use security orbs to 'protect their property' for no other reason except "because they can"...

... which seems to bring me back to your explanation for having a 16m2 plot in each region.

You are right about the "I have no clue" part.

Your ignorance is not bliss. It's defamatory and rude.

Not really. Your evasion of a simple question is even ruder. But, as I guessed, whatever you might do probably won't directly impact my Second Life unless I let it - or you do so without my permission.

We answer to Linden Lab's rules. We don't answer to your delusions.

To even begin to suggest we do not contribute to the community in positive ways is a lie.

You are the one making the accusations, not me.

We don't need your permission to do anything. In fact, you are proving our point, that our business is none of your business by seeming to think you can launch baseless attacks against us. That's a good way to get yourself banned.

No delusions at all. I'm just sorry that you feel so threatened by my daring to ask a simple question that you're retreating into a little corner of self-protection and have nothing left to throw back at me except your apparent superiority.

Thankfully, it's all in your head. You're no more important than anyone else around here. If you think you are ... then you're delusional.

That sounded very much like a threat to me.

It's no threat. There is a "bad post" button. I'm not afraid to use it when you break the rules.

You use the word "when" as if I already have ...

from the forum guidelines

Assuming you're referring to me... then the other party is just as guilty as I am, and thus by reporting me also opens himself up to a similar report, that anyone reading the thread will see, and thus if he values his 'clean sheet' as much as he does, would probably be best not drawing attention to his own clear - by your interpretation - understanding of the rules.

But the simple fact is that it isn't an in-world dispute that has gone on to the forum. I've never spoken to Dave in-world, approached their land, or had any other dealing with them. I merely participated, with many others, in a thread of interest on the forum and it just ended up as a back and forth between me and another individual.

Clearly Dave doesn't feel he can 'let go' and has some point to prove, therefore I shall walk away instead and let things calm down.

Let's hope that TPTB at Linden Lab see now the clear need to do something about 16sqm plots, which I believe is where this thread started.

"Established data points." Suggests these folks are establishing spots all over the mainland for, as someone else suggested, data-mining - perhaps to hire their network of "data points" out to whoever wants to data mine SL. Maybe; maybe this is a red herring.

But for the main purpose of this thread, they are not ad-farming and not extorting. Intriguing and mysterioous as his secretive behavior is, my personal reaction is...Meh.

Where do you get this nonsense from?

People have asked questions in general , you injected yourself and claimed its none of their business

Some other people asked you questions in specific, you claimed its none of their buisiness.

Some people speculated the reason you are being so paranoid on the matter is because you have something to hide. Thats just speculation.

Rude Speculation, perhaps.

You did come into this thread, forums guns-blazing largely unprovoked. Leading to a fair amount of that yourself.

Abusive? Slander? The accusations would have to cause you harm in some way to reach this level.

I still have yet to see anyone accuse you of violating the TOS or community standards in this thread.

And as best I can tell you did a "Look at me" and some people looked

(Please excuse the redundant post with another thread here.)

These threads are getting a little out of control in length and breadth, so I tried to split off one of the sub-topics here and put it in a new thread in Feature Suggestions, at /13/71/240418/1.html, with the title "Revise ownership provisions for 16sq.m. parcels." The first post tries to list the non-adfarm uses of 16sq.m. parcels. In case it's of any use or interest.

yep, my tiny bit of mainland is even closer to it and as I don't pay any tier (I'm under my free tier from LL, with two premium accounts) they can sit there and rot forever, as far as I am concerned. I wont pay a dime for any of it... and its quite ignorable for me.

I'm usually in Caledon... so I never see anything anyway except for the few minutes in Alice I spend a week I expected as much when I bought mainland, so it wasn't even unexpected. Just how mainland is, and why I refuse to pay a cent over the free tier I get from LL. I see it as my premium account allows me a certain amount of land - I might as well have that certain amount, as a backup in case my usual sim may be down for whatever grid reason (it can happen anywhere) and need a little place to stand around and IM or do the odd bit of whatever for a bit, till my usual place is available again.