Our favorite little adfarmer takes aim at Linden Lab auction Sims

We don't sell our working plots, ever.

Please don't twist into something it's not.

Sling, in the past four years, we have given hundreds, possibly thousands of plots to the neighbors or the Arbor Project at no cost. Sometimes we resell surplus lots, but it's rare. $200 seems high, so it's likely when the market was higher. 150-160 is about average lately. We never, ever cut big plots like the landninjas do. We search for single plots based on a price cap.... around $200. So we only sell land, for what we would be willing to pay for it ourselves. That's not unreasonable.

A single 16 beside our plot hardly constitutes an ad farm and it seemed to be price where you would buy it, not an adcutter. Had I sold it any less, I assure you there would be a spinning sign.

I presume you bought the land? Seems that worked out well for the both of us.

I looked at our history and we paid 299 for the 32. So our plot cost us $100L

200 Lindens is 1 US dollar. We lost 25 cents on the deal, but gained another node.

Cheap shot.

Such as inventory storage for people who can't afford larger parcels. My first land was just 32m, and it was right next to a 16m parcel that had three rocks on it - presumably storage for that owner.

Guess using 16m's for your inventory beats trusting the asset server.

You have no right to scan for the presence of any avatar within the region and store details "for reasons you choose not to disclose" (ie we'd all go nuts if we knew) without their express permission - but that doesn't stop you does it?

We don't "scan for the the presence of any avatar".

I don't know if it's necessary, but it IS recommended to noobies. Besides, I liked having a place to go through stuff without being hassled by wankers.

You may want to consider steering clear of this forum then.

If you are gathering avatar keys, you have to scan who is in the region at any given time, which presumably can be gathered with a time and datestamp for a rudumentary 'who is online and where' database.

If you aren't gathering avatar data, then what? You do realise, of course, that you won't get any support from anyone here until you actually tell us why you have to have a 16sqm plot in every region.

You know as well as I do it's nothing to do with "protecting your business" ... you know what will hit the fan when we find out what you are doing.

Unless you choose to disclose to us whatever you are doing and how it is beneficial to all of us ... I can only assume that it's detrimental. If what you are doing really does benefit all, then surely you've got no reason to hide it from those very people you claim you are helping?

It's none of your business.

Your assumptions are false. On one hand you blatantly claim we are "detrimental", on the other you admit to knowng nothing.

That is libelous, and dispectful of our privcy. Two TOS violations in one breath.

Really?

I don't think so.

How can asking what you do be 'disrespectful of your privacy'? If you're gathering ANY information about ANYONE in ANY region without their express permission, then you're already disrespectful.

Libelous? Grow up.

You're as bad as the people who hide behind ban lines "because they can", not giving the slightest toss as to the detriment on their neighbours.

At least when someone puts up ban lines, they're actually using the land they're paying for. All you're doing is sucking resources for no good reason that you are prepared to divulge.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Like those paranoid individuals who hide behind ban lines and security orbs for no reason, if you aren't prepared to share what you're doing - even in GENERAL TERMS - then it's very reasonable to assume that it's not good.

If a police car tries to pull you over, what do you do? If you floor it and try to escape, then you've clearly got something to hide by not being caught - if you pull over and co-operate, and you know that you did nothing wrong, then you'll be on your merry way.

You are the one making it harder for yourself in all of this situation by your unnecessary secrecy.

You want to prove me wrong that what you're doing is for the good of the grid - then be open, put people's minds at rest, and give us the opportunity to trust you. Because right now, I don't know you, therefore I can't trust you that you are doing good, and in the absence of any other information, can only come to the conclusion that you are not.

Tell you what, I'll do you a deal. PM me the details, and I promise you it will not go any further. I'm asking you to trust me as much as you're asking me to trust you. I will then say whether I feel it is acceptable or not, and no other mention on your 'secret project'.

There is nothing to put to rest. Linden Lab is 100% aware of everything we do.

To this day, after 4 years of operation have always been in good standing and have never been warned, banned or told to change anything in our codebase.

You are the one being paranoid, not us. We are not tasked with dispelling dilusions.

Perhaps... but by not being open, you sure aren't encouraging people to trust you, or whatever project(s) you may be involved in - or any products you may choose to sell.

Your loss in the end, quite frankly. I don't need you or anything you do in my Second Life, thankfully.

I don't know, Dave. I might have to argue you on this one. When I think of all the corporations in the world both big and small I can't think of any that wont tell you what they do. That does make it sound like you are being a bit paranoid to me. Doesn't make you much different than a lot of people in SL, though, paranoia tends to run rampant around here.

Never in 4 years have we done anything untrustworthy.

Our repututation is base on our track record. Not your perception of it.

dave, perhaps this isnt the best place to ask this.... but if you had some land on my sim would you sell it to me in exchange for a 16 somewhere on the sim?

"Please don't twist into something it's not."
Hilarious...
You initially posted that you "....have never listed a plot for sale .......

Now that's twisted into "We don't sell our working plots, ever. "
Ah! *working* plots.

OK.
Then Raymond quotes you as trying to sell the entire *working* collection.

But I suppose your "We don't sell our working plots, ever. " can stand, but only because you tried to sell them but failed to do so.




Do the math.
You paid 299 for a 32 within a 256 that had been cut off from a larger plot by a notorious ad farmer.
You cut it into 2x16s.
You sold one 16 for 200.
You gained a 16 plot for a net cost of 99
You did not make any loss on the deal. You say "We search for single plots based on a price cap.... around $200." You got one for an effective 99, so you were up around 101 on the deal.

Cheap plot.
Please don't twist into something it's not



This goes back to the symbiotic relationship between ad cutters and 'legitimate' 16m plot owners.
An ad cutter is assured of at least one sale in a sim.


Some of your arguments here are self serving.
Some of them need "twisting"/qualifying before they begin to approach reality.

nevermind.
i will send an in-world IM.

If you would rather discuss reality, then let's do that.

It's sour grapes because Weedy didn't cave into your demand to trade plots. Our policy is a guildline for others, not a regulation for you to enforce at will. I agree with her opinion more each time you post. If cheap shots and half truths on your part are the best you can do, fine. It only stipulates to our point all along.

Weedy buys and sells land all the time, millions of sq/m per year but it has NOTHING to do with the disposition of Blue Button Holding Land.

Yes. IM Weedy to arrange it.

Reputations mean nothing in SL. You're an anonymous individual somewhere in the world hiding behind a screen name and an unknown number of potential alts that may or may not be known. You wouldn't trust a complete stranger in real life based on what they tell you ... so why should you online?

Many people feel "they have done nothing wrong" in SL - this includes ad farmers, griefers who "do it for the lulz" and suchlike. Common sense tells otherwise.

I don't care what your perceived 'track record' might be ... I've never had to deal directly with you, or knowingly been affected by what you might be doing ... all I'm doing is saying exactly what I see in this situation.

There is no reason (unless your "client" has put you under a legally binding non-disclosure agreement) why you cannot share what you are doing, and if you don't feel able to share then you can't help but wonder why people are suspicious of you and your motives. If you had said that you were subject to a non-disclosure agreement then that's one thing... but you just seem to consider it none of anyone's business. If one of your devices is monitoring where I am going and what I am doing without my permission ... then damn it becomes my business whether you like it or not.

*shrug* as I said, your problem, not mine. The onus is on you to prove your intentions are harmless, not me to prove that they aren't. You've been given several opportunities, publicly and privately, to put my - and others - minds at rest, and refuse to do so.

We are under NDA with our client.

And no, the burden of proof is upon the accuser. Yet you have not one shred of evidence against us other than speculation or opinion.

We are doing nothing wrong. We know it, Linden Lab knows it. If you choose to remain suspicious, that's your problem, you have no right to make it ours.

Again, we refuse to be the battleground in this fight, while LL's inaction with adcutters pits us against pitchfork mob mentality. It's not right.

Well if you'd said that in the first place, then you could have saved yourself so much trouble. Unfortunately, by ducking and diving and trying to "protect yourself" you've done far more damage to your own reputation than any of use could ever have done.

A lesson learned, perhaps? Trust is earned, not demanded.

Have a nice day.

Reality is fine be me
Read on .....


The reality of my communication with Weedy was posted in full in my post #39 in page 3 of this thread.

"Hello, Will you swap position of a 16m plot in the Hengill sim, please?"
This can hardly be taken as a "demand" that anyone should cave into.
It was a request that was totally in line with the guideline in your group charter. Your charter invites such requests.

When Weedy came back with no explanation (other than "Our current location is suitable for us" ) of a decision that appeared counter to your charter, and a query to you went unanswered, I simply put the whole thing behind me and got on with my life. That was back in November last.



The only reason I came into this thread initially was that you had posted here three times in a row that your policy was to cooperate with swaps of 16m locations. I posted that my experience was different.
It was only then that you explained your special case for plots beside Linden Protected land.

The only half-truths are coming from you.
You claim that my polite request (quoted in Post #39) was "a demand".
You posted that you never sell your plots.
When challenged on that, you posted that you never sold *working* plots.
Then Raymond quotes you trying to sell the whole lot.

You posted about the Hengill plot and tried to paint yourself as heroically making a small loss on the deal. The reality is that you ended up with a 16m plot for L$99 as against your ceiling of L$200. You did that by cutting a 32 into two 16s and selling one 16 for L$200 to Anybody.


Your last sentence above is a bit odd. Are you arguing that because it was Weedy selling the cut 16 for L$200, then it had "NOTHING to do with the disposition of Blue Button Holding Land." ?
Come along now. You can believe your own propaganda but I don't think that many others will.



ALL of the bad karma that you might be experiencing in this thread is your own doing.
Many other and myself have given you good advice on how you could improve on your communications in such a way as to avoid exactly the situation you find yourself in here.


Sour grapes?
No. I gave you good advice in a spirit of goodwill to all. A sign of its 'goodness' is that others are giving you the same sort of advice.

Thanks for that reminder, Raymond. This is one reason people are wary of people holding 16's for any purpose - they never know when it's going to get sold to someone who's going to do something much worse. Note that ADVERTISING NETWORKS were listed as one potential use for the lots.

thats lame - because it still has to trust the asset server, PLUS you run the risk that the housekeeping program will declare your packed items "no longer in existence" as far as the asset server goes.