How have you been griefed?

..so far, at least of the ones which have been pointed out to which you have admitted fault, rather than edited to cover up and later denied. Let alone the ones which have never been pointed out which still sit silent testament to your incompetence with language.

The really interesting part, of course, is that, when you do it, it is a "very minor typo"; when everyone else does it, they are "unintelligent", "uneducated", or some other fun little insult. No, it is not "gross" incompetence, to be sure, but it certainly is no better than anyone else here does.

Such leads me to the inescapable conclusion that you are at least a hypocrite, and most likely compensating for a mental or psychological deficiency of some kind.

Please feel free to respond and further prove the point, though.

If there is a wrong end to the stick you'll grab it won't you. The Thread of the Living Dead is really boring at the moment - and Laurin and Rizzy have been my friends for some time.

I am not trying to run her off; how could I? I have merely asked whether the other members of this forum really want to be associated with someone who not only wishes death by cancer on another in the grip of an animalistic frenzy, but reiterates it in cold blood later.
Whether her disgusting posts were provoked is not the critical issue; that she posted completely unacceptable content *is*.
Nothing hurts me. I am delighted that she showed her true colours for all to see.
Laurin's stance is admirable. The whole of this quote describes your own support of that appalling display of foulmouthed vitriol, which makes you considerably worse than a douchebag. Accessory to murder perhaps?
An irrelevance.
Ignoring that it is impossible to drive anyone off the forums, especially someone big and strong enough to drive off a burglar physically from her home, she is on record as saying that it was the arguments that made her decide to leave, and you (among others) played a significant part in that. In fact, just about the last post she made there was in defence of me.

Pep (Thanks for once again publicising your friend's completely unacceptable behaviour.)

PS Oh, and I "thought better" of involving myself in SC2 because it wasn't much fun after I had given the lie to your prognostications of my not being accepted there.

Isn't it time you went to pick up your meds, old man?

Pep (There is no fire in your words any more; just tired old inaccuracies.)

PS I fixed your English in your quote for you. The content will have to remain rubbish, though.

I admit that you were right, Pep - right that I haven't said my last word on the subject. But I just can't help myself in the face of your stupidity.

Then you've been diuscussing a totally different subject to everyone else, which further demonstrates how thick you are. May I inform you that the issue that the rest of us have been discussing is your provocation which led to the outburst. Perhaps you'd like to start again and get it right, huh?

While she may or may not have said that, I know for certain that my claim is correct based on what she told me *after* she left. Spin it all you want, but you did run her off by making her favourite online home a place which was unbearable for her.

As for the rest of it, I've made my observations. People will agree or not. I'm not going to bother here.

Well, one last post (no promises though), just to point out how utterly stupid that sentence is.

LMAO!!! Is that all you got? LMAO!!!

"So Sir Alex, who do you think is the best football team in England?"
Excellent!

Pep (Perhaps you could not bother *anywhere* here, and take your foul-mouthed friend with you?)

Shall we have an open vote to see who the majority prefer to leave?

Thank you for acknowledging that - I almost invariably am.
Oh dear, your short-term memory malfunctioning again? As I have said, responding to the posts of other participants here is what Residents Answers is intended for. If people don't want to read stuff here they can avoid this forum altogether, or mute, or skip threads or posts that look as if they might upset their delicate sensibilities. Some take an adult decision to use other forums and some subhumans post expletive-ridden wishes of death.

Pep (It's that latter scenario that is the important issue, as I have highlighted.)

Why don't you just start a thread where people sign up as supporting someone who wishes cancerous death on another?

Pep (You could always start another one where peeple sing upp to show their unhappy with someone with no concience who likes words spelled write.)

That's the nature of an "open" forum, especially one which is barely moderated. Some people won't take BS off anyone, and will NOT back down. Thus, when some bully comes onto the playground to stir up trouble, some people will run, some people will hide, some people will stand their ground, and some will be more than eager to kick his ass and serve it up with a parsley garnish. To say that it is the playground denizen's fault for responding to the bully's antics with whatever means at their disposal is highly irresponsible.

Thing is, Pep knows this; he revels in the conflict he creates, as do most bullies on the playground. It's their raison d'être. It gives their lives meaning and definition. Everyone else recognizes it as a hollow existence, and standing up to the bully usually brings that fact to the forefront in the inevitable conflict. Of course, Pep won't ever realize it or quit being the playground bully, because that would mean he has to embrace the facts of his hollow existence here, thus the conflict continues. Some will wish him death and/or suffering, driven past their wits dealing with him. Whether it was "deserved" or not is immaterial; when you push someone past a certain point, they will lash out with whatever extreme means they have at hand. Even still, blaming them for it, rather than the bully that prompted it, is just being willfully ignorant.

If this forum was even half-way moderated, I would have expected Pep to receive numerous warnings and possibly a suspension by now (presuming he didn't heed the warnings). Maybe that's what he wants/needs; someone to draw the line for him, since he can't do it for himself. I don't know, really, and I don't care, really. Point is, his behavior has to be either endured or responded to by the residents, and not everyone is going to play nice when someone else is determined to play badly.

I'm still trying to work out where the clover fits in.

Again, thank you for the vindication. You never disappoint, as you do me proud EVERY time.

Thanks for explaining my core philosophy so succinctly Talarus.

Pep (Perhaps you *are* more perceptive than I have given you credit for.)

You are the last person here with any currency to call someone else "subhuman", pal.

Do try to read what's written, will you. I said that everyone else has been discussing.... You already said that you were discussing something different - there's no need to repeat it. I suggested that you might want to start again and discuss what the rest of us are discussing. Apparently not.

I think the very fact that a person, facing the task choosing a PG word replacement to make their death threat suitable for postings, would choose, 'clover', pretty much sealed my opinion on the whole discussion.

That, and fact that he not only signs his posts, but has rung new and more annoying changes on the habit of post signing.

My gran, a Dublin lass through and through, used to use the expression 'gobshite tennis'.

Oh, I am well aware that YOU won't back down. That's PRECISELY what I said, hence:

"Of course, Pep won't ever realize it or quit being the playground bully, because that would mean he has to embrace the facts of his hollow existence here, thus the conflict continues."

Please do continue the conflict. Every time you post, you prove me right.

I have a better idea. Why don't I just start a thread where those who hate people provoking other people here can sign up. You can squirm all you like but you'll never escape the fact that it was you fault and you deserved an outburst against you.

I know all of that. We've done this before over whether it was possible to get along with him.

The rest of it is no skin off my nose whatsoever. In fact, I find the whole nonsense about the chunky thighs quite funny. He told me I am so thin I am missing ribs and I told him to zip it. And that was that.

In fact, Love's little tag for me of douchebag? I am amazed that was necessary either, or Mickey's odd comments. I don't choose to get ugly, particularly not here, but to each their own.

It's been specially commissioned so that you can roll me over in it

It works because scripts retain permission to animate you until the script is told to release the permission, it gets reset or the script gets permission to animate someone else (scripts can only hold permissions for one avatar at a time, which is why dance balls have lots of scripts in -- one for each possible dancer).

The only surefire defence against this form of griefing I know of is to use Emerald, which has options to revoke permissions yourself, without reference to the script, and to refuse to be animated by particular animations.

Since, though, Emerald works most of its magic by exposing stuff that's in the viewer anyway, is there maybe something hidden in the advance menu or debug settings that would have the same effect?

As many here know, I lost my hearing, many years ago, due to a blow to the head from my ex (key word is 'ex') husband. It never returned, but progressed in a downward spiral after that, until eventually I was completely deaf, as I remain today. My mother always told me I provoked him, that I had a big mouth I needed to learn to control. Probably true. Other things, than my big mouth were in the mix too, alcohol being one. When we first split up, I was still very angry, at the life I was left with. I said that if I saw him laying in the street in front of my car, I wouldn't slow down. Was it true? Probably not, but I felt like it was, at the time. Anger can really take you over the top. So I know what it's like to say something really out there, that was provoked by all kinds of feelings 'in the moment'. I think I said it out loud, once. In a rare fit, to be sure. To say it again, to spell it out, to make it plain; no, I never did, or would. The man is still alive and kicking today, many years later.

Maybe Rhonda feels that way about her avatar. I haven't talked to her personally about any of this, so I don't know. I know that when I did an interview for Metaverse Messenger, about my sim for the deaf and disabled, and a picture of me was mis-identified as someone else, I was annoyed as heck. I do identify with my avatar, and didn't like that people would think 'that' avatar was someone else. Nothing I could do about it, got over it quickly. But I do understand how people can identify with their av. I have said several times here, that *I* wouldn't care what someone else's opinion of my av was, unless I asked for it. I've said many times how pretty *I* think Rhonda's legs are and that I wish I could make Treasure's legs look like that. (No talent with the sliders, but, meh). So, what I"m saying is that Pep's needling Rhonda about her avatar's looks, if it had been me, it wouldn't have taken me to that place because I don't care enough what anyone else thinks about that. But I can understand how it could annoy someone. Different things take people to 'that place' where they lose reason and say things they may not mean. Not having walked Rhonda's journey myself, I cannot judge her motivations.

Pep knows I am not his best friend or as he says, biggest fan. I've had his red-eyed laser turned on me plenty of times, and have come off looking, and even feeling, dumb. I know I'm not dumb, but yeah, embarrassed in a public way, over something he's said to me on the forums. So I know how that feels. I usually just go away for a bit when that happens. I come back because I really do like you guys here, and I love SL. And so, this forum remains of interest to me.

This issue for me wasn't about Pep. It really didn't matter 'who' it was said to. It was a visceral response to seeing something that was, for me, over the top. It's important to notice, 'for me'. Not trying to speak for everyone. When I googled and saw 'Tubgirl' last night, I felt the same kind of disgust. That's just me. Being a religious person (no, I won't be showing up on BDSM sims with prims to drop) if I said something like what Rhonda said, even to someone that was picking on me, I'd be cringing and saying 'sorry God, please don't strike me dead, or turn my evil wish on myself or my family'.

With ALL that said (yes this was long and tedious, no?) I cannot be judging someone from postings on an internet forum. I don't know Rhonda, or know her heart. Same with Pep, I don't know what motivates him to be as he is here. I can only walk my own walk in this, or any life. I know what is and isn't acceptable behavior *for me* and by continued postings, haranguing, etc, I am not going to change anyone else's mind on what is or is not acceptable, for them. I just wanted to clarify my own postiion.