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Morgan Genna
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Join date: 29 Aug 2009
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09-13-2009 13:49
From: Set Serpentine at secondcitizen prok can address comments made about him. thats the biggest difference between slu and sc. From: Lewis Luminos My point, which everyone seems to have missed, was that the trashing (of more than one person) is happenning on SC, not on SLU, for the simple reason that people on SC don't get banned for it. Lewis, are you mistaking differences of opinion for trashing? I think this is possible. Here is a verifiable fact: at SecondCitizen.net, every member has the same size olive branch and pistol in her hand. How we use them is not up to anyone but ourselves. Every SC member has the right to post comments without fear of them being edited or mysteriously disappeared, or causing the thread to be locked by an administrator. |
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Set Serpentine
secondcitizen.net
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
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09-14-2009 05:18
hi ann. since youre clarifying, could you bring me up to speed on the slu avatar policy? there seems to be some confusion. ta. From: Ann Launay Not *quite* true. Linking with a NSFW notation is fine, it's posting such images inline that's an issue.
No, it isn't. Cristiano has advertisers and subscribers to help defray SOME of his costs, but for the most part, he pays for everything out of his own pocket. |
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Kidd Krasner
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Join date: 1 Jan 2007
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09-14-2009 08:21
From: Mickey Vandeverre The new Q&A (prefer that term over forum)...is not so bad. A few tweaks, and it will be fine. There are plenty of discussions going on there even this early in the game....and plenty of good info being tossed about. Once you figure out how to get to all the different discussion locations (don't ask me how - I have to wing it for now) - - you will find more than enough to keep you busy.
Two people look at an 8oz glass containing 4oz of water. One calls it half full, the other calls it half empty. You look at the Q&A, you can't figure out all the different discussion locations, and call it "not bad". I call the inability to figure out all the different discussion locations "bad". Which leaves me wondering, how bad does it need to be for you to call it bad? The software consumer community of the last twenty five years reminds me of the auto consumers of the fifties and sixties. They didn't care that their cars didn't last, as long as each model year had fancier chrome and prettier tail fins and headlights than the previous year. Then the Japanese started listening to Deming and other experts on quality, and the rest is history. But it took a long time to convince Americans that Japanese cars weren't cheap tin cans. As long as people keep describing software with poor usability as "not bad", developers will keep working on bigger tail fins. I might like a 59 Cadillac as a collector's item, but I wouldn't want to drive it every day. What do you really want for the SL web site: the 59 Caddy, or a 2010 Camry? They're building the old Caddy, so you'd better tell them if you want the Camry. |
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Love Hastings
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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09-14-2009 08:24
Yes, a Camry. A beige Camry.
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Mickey Vandeverre
See you Inworld
Join date: 7 Dec 2006
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09-14-2009 08:40
From: Kidd Krasner Two people look at an 8oz glass containing 4oz of water. One calls it half full, the other calls it half empty. You look at the Q&A, you can't figure out all the different discussion locations, and call it "not bad". I call the inability to figure out all the different discussion locations "bad". Which leaves me wondering, how bad does it need to be for you to call it bad?
. I just tried to look at the whole picture and balance everything out. Yeah, the navigation needs some help. But there was a spirit there, of people helping each other get around, and something to be said for that. There are some good discussions going on...particularly if you are a merchant. There was not as much whining going on as I had expected....in fact some very positive comments....something to be said for that....the whining gets old, and discouraging. And there is a mix of posters from here and the former Xstreet forum, and it's nice to see everyone blending and getting along pretty good.....that's refreshing and encouraging.....everyone could benefit from the two groups combining. I saw some Lindens show up.....that's encouraging. And if I get my glasses out...I can see the print. What more could you ask for? |
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VonGklugelstein Alter
Bedah Profeshinal Tekstur
Join date: 22 Dec 2007
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09-14-2009 12:28
will they keep this place around? It appears that this is still the best source of information and real answers..
even just the archived info on here is more valuable than the phoney " I wanna be more popular than you" answers on the new blog will ever be
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Seven Okelli
last days of pompeii
Join date: 4 Dec 2008
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09-14-2009 12:38
From: VonGklugelstein Alter will they keep this place around? It appears that this is still the best source of information and real answers..
even just the archived info on here is more valuable than the phoney " I wanna be more popular than you" answers on the new blog will ever be They said these forums will be set to readonly and left as an archive. .
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Kidd Krasner
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09-14-2009 13:16
From: Mickey Vandeverre I just tried to look at the whole picture and balance everything out. Yeah, the navigation needs some help. But there was a spirit there, of people helping each other get around, and something to be said for that.
There are some good discussions going on...particularly if you are a merchant.
There was not as much whining going on as I had expected....in fact some very positive comments....something to be said for that....the whining gets old, and discouraging.
And there is a mix of posters from here and the former Xstreet forum, and it's nice to see everyone blending and getting along pretty good.....that's refreshing and encouraging.....everyone could benefit from the two groups combining.
I saw some Lindens show up.....that's encouraging.
And if I get my glasses out...I can see the print.
What more could you ask for? Interesting. You're commenting on the content, not the forums. That's certainly a good point. I'm not sure why, but it's certainly worth trying to understand what keeps the content quality up. |
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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09-14-2009 13:21
From: Seven Okelli They said these forums will be set to readonly and left as an archive.
. Maybe they should set them on fire and launched out to sea instead.
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Treasure Ballinger
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Join date: 31 Dec 2007
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09-14-2009 13:23
This may seem stupid and I probably missed something huge but......*Who* exactly said these forums were closing, with a date/formal announcement? I know it's been talked about, at least as long as I've been around these parts, and more, and the chatter increased when 'they' did indeed shut down the xstreet forums; but have we received an actual farewell / Dear John? If so, where is it?
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Brenda Connolly
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09-14-2009 13:24
From: Treasure Ballinger This may seem stupid and I probably missed something huge but......*Who* exactly said these forums were closing, with a date/formal announcement? I know it's been talked about, at least as long as I've been around these parts, and more, and the chatter increased when 'they' did indeed shut down the xstreet forums; but have we received an actual farewell / Dear John? If so, where is it? Remember we are talking about LL here. They will announce the closure 3 months after they do it.
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Treasure Ballinger
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09-14-2009 13:28
From: Brenda Connolly Remember we are talking about LL here. They will announce the closure 3 months after they do it. Well I wondered, because was reading up a bit, 'over there' in the blogrum, and saw a conversation between Meade and Lexie Linden; around mid-August; she agreed that everything can't be resolved with a simple yes or no answer, and that often, discussion and several/many opinions are required. So while the blogrum fills one need it doesn't fill the other. It just didn't sound like imminent closure, here.....of course, that was in August and this is September, so could be totally turned around now. I was just wondering if there was a formal announcement. |
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Seven Okelli
last days of pompeii
Join date: 4 Dec 2008
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09-14-2009 13:37
From: Treasure Ballinger This may seem stupid and I probably missed something huge but......*Who* exactly said these forums were closing, with a date/formal announcement? I know it's been talked about, at least as long as I've been around these parts, and more, and the chatter increased when 'they' did indeed shut down the xstreet forums; but have we received an actual farewell / Dear John? If so, where is it? Treasure, I just spent some time looking for it, and I will go back to it in a moment. Just wanted to let you know. The thing is, the blogs and the new borums are hard to navigate. Edited to add: I gave up. You can't find anything there. .
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Rhonda Huntress
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Join date: 21 Dec 2008
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09-14-2009 14:02
I believe the first announcement of a closure in the offing was with the beta announcement for Second Life Answers. No date or anything, just a heads up; but then in 07 they were looking at updating these forums "soon" and so far they have not even updated the copyright blurb at the bottom so it is not like anyone actually believed them.
The next was shortly after the SLX/OnRes bloodletting. I believe the verbage at the time was something along the lines that they might look at doing some consolidation of the forums. I think most of us were under the assumption that these forums would be moved to the Xstreet boards, being logical to move off of the antiquated and security vulnerable software on to an established, updated and moderated forum where there would be no retraining of work force needed.
The non-announcements are what is really causing the panics now. With Xstreet, there was only the one big one.
"We are closing you down in 5 days. Enjoy your weekend. You do not make enough money to warrant a discussion."
So yeah. The long periods of inactivity were lulling. Now we see that there is not going to be any time to prepare. We can be sure that not another dime will be spent on maintaining these boards. If they break they will stay down.
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Brenda Connolly
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09-14-2009 14:25
From: Rhonda Huntress I believe the first announcement of a closure in the offing was with the beta announcement for Second Life Answers. No date or anything, just a heads up; but then in 07 they were looking at updating these forums "soon" and so far they have not even updated the copyright blurb at the bottom so it is not like anyone actually believed them.
The next was shortly after the SLX/OnRes bloodletting. I believe the verbage at the time was something along the lines that they might look at doing some consolidation of the forums. I think most of us were under the assumption that these forums would be moved to the Xstreet boards, being logical to move off of the antiquated and security vulnerable software on to an established, updated and moderated forum where there would be no retraining of work force needed.
The non-announcements are what is really causing the panics now. With Xstreet, there was only the one big one.
"We are closing you down in 5 days. Enjoy your weekend. You do not make enough money to warrant a discussion."
So yeah. The long periods of inactivity were lulling. Now we see that there is not going to be any time to prepare. We can be sure that not another dime will be spent on maintaining these boards. If they break they will stay down. You forgot last summer's promise of a "New" forum. with outsourced moderators, that was supposed to hapen in October.....2008.
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
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09-14-2009 14:47
From: Treasure Ballinger have we received an actual farewell / Dear John? If so, where is it? You are right, we have received no date of closure. I asked Blue point-blank in my thread on the Flog, and he did not respond. Here is the first time Blue (and Gayathri) stated that the current forums would be closed at some point, I exerpt the relevant section below, with some chitchat excised: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Blue_Linden/Office_Hour_Transcripts/June_3rd,_2009If I had to guess, I would say that they are aiming for October. However, if there is enough negative commentary on the XStreet Flog/Blogrums, they may need to take some extra time to spiff things up. From: Blue Linden office hour [16:07] Blue Linden: well I had told people that we are looking at transitioning to new "Discussion Thread" system in the new Clearspace blog [16:08] Marianne McCann: oof [16:08] Malarthi Behemoth: How well did that go over Blue? [16:08] Blue Linden: Oryx just handed me a notecard with a TON of quotes from people that don't like the idea ... [16:08] Blue Linden: first I should point out that I'm not talking about the SL Answers feature that's in beta now [16:08] Marianne McCann: Woo! [16:08] Oryx Tempel: Right. That's a different topic. [16:08] Thunderclap Morgridge: I will agree with that it still validates my point [16:08] Blue Linden: that's something else...similar, but not what we want to use for forums [16:08] Blue Linden: *nods [16:09] Blue Linden: the Disucssion threads are as seen here..... [16:09] Nika Talaj: Can you describe what you envision for forums, Blue? [16:09] Blue Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/1315[16:10] Blue Linden: well, that link is to a single thread [16:10] Blue Linden: so imagine that as the most basic element of any forum. [16:10] Blue Linden: on that basic level it's nice because it's threaded [16:11] Blue Linden: so it's easier to follow the various conversations that break out in a single forum thread [16:11] Blue Linden: that's something that people have been asking for on the current forums for years and years [16:11] Malarthi Behemoth: Fundamental difference I see: Can anyone create threads in this new world order? [16:11] Blue Linden: that's the plan Mal, eventually [16:11] Thunderclap Morgridge: but what about the abilty to post pics scripts, links sigs and files? [16:12] Blue Linden: Thunder, you can see that there are all sorts of formatting options in the Discussion thread.....people are posting ferret pictures already [16:12] Rinoa Rives giggles [16:12] Oryx Tempel: Will you port all existing Forum content over for reference? There are years worth of info there. [16:12] Thunderclap Morgridge: ok! [16:12] Gayathri Linden doesnt get the joke with the ferrets, btw. .... [16:12] Blue Linden: yeah, I'm not sure where that came from, but lolferrets certainly lighten the mood of that serious thread [16:12] Gayathri Linden: oryx, the idea is to keep the old forums frozen, and availalbe [16:13] Gayathri Linden: we wont be porting that information over. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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09-14-2009 15:56
From: someone [16:12] Gayathri Linden doesnt get the joke with the ferrets, btw.  |
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Morgan Genna
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Join date: 29 Aug 2009
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09-15-2009 18:08
From: Brenda Connolly Maybe they should set them on fire and launched out to sea instead. These forums are flame proof. |
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EF Klaar
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Join date: 11 Jun 2007
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09-17-2009 00:53
How long should I wait for the moderator to approve my supplication after having a Second Citizen account activated before I give up hope of being deemed illustrious enough to join the ranks of its hallowed members?
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Lias Leandros
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Join date: 20 Jul 2005
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09-17-2009 01:20
Wait a day - then start your own blog where you rip into SC2 on a daily basis.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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09-17-2009 03:57
From: Morgan Genna These forums are flame proof. Really? What makes you think that, Marshmallow Boy?  Pep (Not even when they were moderated.  )
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Pie Psaltery
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09-17-2009 04:04
From: someone [16:12] Gayathri Linden: oryx, the idea is to keep the old forums frozen, and availalbe  |
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Set Serpentine
secondcitizen.net
Join date: 14 Oct 2003
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09-17-2009 06:18
threaded discussions have been a vbulletin option for years.
even this crusty old board has a 'threaded view' option.
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Seven Okelli
last days of pompeii
Join date: 4 Dec 2008
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09-18-2009 08:44
Bump! Just to sum up, these are the alternative forums that I know of and have visited. If I've missed any, please copy this list and add to it. Or PM me and I'll update it. The forums are in no particular order. If you are looking for a new home, I suggest you go have a look around and see which one(s) you find congenial. You can put your toe in the water and still come running back here. (At least until the neutron bomb falls.) . Second Citizen MK II: http://www.secondcitizen.net/Forum/SLUniverse: http://sluniverse.com/slapt.me: http://slapt.me/phpBB3/index.phpThat Other Life: http://www.thatotherlife.com/2lf: http://2lf.informe.com/forum/Forum Cartel: http://forumcartel.com/phpBB3/index.php.
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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09-18-2009 09:09
That wait period on Ellis Island was started after a tidal wave of alts. Not to mention Angel Leviathan created over 30 alts in one day, all with "xxx_briana_xxx" trashing sort of names. So unfortunately, it became a necessary evil to keep out the unwanted lulz that seem to only please the originator/instigator. I would hardly call those people Illustrious. Uncle Fester posted a picture of his gonads, and Mulch's porn thread...wow  Some pigs DO have good lives. From: EF Klaar How long should I wait for the moderator to approve my supplication after having a Second Citizen account activated before I give up hope of being deemed illustrious enough to join the ranks of its hallowed members? |
