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Hi, Charlie.
We butted heads across the street before but I know exactly what you mean. It is almost Shakespearean.

"Double, double, toil and trouble.
Fire burn and cauldron bubble."

And that's all I have to say about that.

A Round table. Of course! With D-rings bolted along the edge ever 10" or so. And chains to suspend it from the ceiling. They would need to be independent pairs so I could tilt it at an angle or even invert it if I wanted. Oh, this has possibilities.

My only question is, "An opposing opinion to what"? I guess I never opposed whatever it is that gets the wrath thrown your way.

SC is great too. In my mind it's just another group of the same people. I personally only have time enough for one to be my main focus and if this one closes, SLU will be it.

I knew there was a reason I felt at home over there!

The preceding comment contained no sarcasm.

the difference is that at sc there is not a fear of 'the ban hammer' and how it may have a certain crowd that has influence over it. if a person thinks they dont fit the profile there, shouldnt invest too heavily, because they may eventually be banned for being too conservative, too opinionated, too un-pc, or any other number of arbitrary and subjective reasons.
dont waste time investing into a community that has a ruling party to pay homage to. instead go to second citizen.
www.secondcitizen.NET

As we said, people have different experiences. I've never felt those things at SLU, I don't engage in certain discussions which may be partly why, but I've never feared posting anything, nor look over my shoulder for the men to take me away.

I would suggest allowing people to find out for themselves by trying all the various sites, and making up their own minds, as opposed to trying to further any personal agenda for or against a particular site.

I found SLU extremely unwelcoming, and despite the notes here that it favors liberals - I wouldn't agree to that claim.
- Its not being 'liberal' or 'left' that counts there, its fitting into the dominant clique. Moderation is done based on which clique you're in rather than a 'neutral third party' as the mods are also posters.

Never heard of secondcitizen before, bookmarked now. I'm kind of hoping to favor slapt.me though - as its not just a forum, but a full on replacement for everything xstreet did.

i suppose if one expresses vanilla and pedestrian opinions, spams lolcats, 'hugs' others in a thread, or such things, yes slu is probably a great place. but if you suspect you may some opinions that arent ordinary, such as being pro-life, you may be better off not investing too much of yourself into a community like slu.
you are better off going to second citizen where such opinions are not a bannable offense.
as much as slu is being exalted in this thread i didnt think it would hurt to highlight another of its well-known characteristics; cronyism and forum politics.

The only people I ever saw banned over there were folks who really deserved it. If the moderator was really as narrow-minded and hair-trigger as you say, the forum would have died long ago.

I just don't see it. But then again, I'm mellow and the only people I couldn't tolerate in this community were ad farmers. So now I'm as happy as a hamster with a fresh roll of toilet paper.Aha!!! So you are anti-hug!!

The irony is, it looks like you could use one.

*hugs*

Ray

come say that at sc
figgy i certainly know you would never press the buttons that opens that up, but they are there, i assure you.

MMMmmmaybe... but a horrible design... simply horrible.

Bingo!

I realize a lot of people have strong opinions forums, especially if they have had a negative experience, but I hope everyone tries each place for themselves, even just by lurking. These are social spaces, and YMMV.

I don't know what LL will provide, if anything, to replace the content forums here. The software they have chosen COULD do a bang-up job for the scripting and building forums; it COULD provide things like direct slurls, windows where a builder could quickly slap in a FRAPS film panning around a build, etc. If LL had its brain turned on, it would have bought LSLEditor, and provide the ability to syntax check and maybe even RUN code directly from a FLog post. But LL could also do absolutely nothing with the content forums ... and if they do, SLU's content subforums might be where we end up.

I make do in SLU by not posting much.

I think cronyism is inevitable on any board, and I don't have any problems with SLU in that regard. But I will NEVER forget or forgive what was done to Strife on that board. I hold Cris responsible for permitting folks to go berserk - I dare say some of them regret it now themselves. I also think the whole Mouseworld debacle was inexcusable.

I refuse to watch people who are trying to make SL better, in whatever way they can, be ripped to shreds. No matter how misguided those people may be. So if I end up on SLU, Nika's nastier side may be more in evidence. I really don't want that to happen - I'm not bad at verbal brawling, but it's not an aspect of me that I wish to feed.

Edit: Strife, if you read this, let me apologize for not trying harder to stop that train wreck. Since Cris was not providing any brakes, I could at least have made the tracks so slippery with verbal blood that it would have slid to a stop. If I had had the confidence then that I do now, I would have.
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I, too, will play this one out until the bitter end. I've posted at SC and SLU and will continue to do so occasionally, and they're fine and all* but they're not "here", and when here isn't here anymore, they still won't be "here".

At the moment I'm thinking the new forgs may end up being as much "here" as anywhere else. The Answers crap is hopeless, I think, but the regular discussions format... maybe, with work, it could be enough like a real forum to be usable. So, the XstreeSL forums debacle notwithstanding, I'm going to wait it out and see if they make the place presentable before they try to herd us over.

Besides, it's a race between the actual work of moving us and the natural inclination of all things Linden to just stop, incomplete, when the New Shiny drifts by. How many times have we been promised an update? How many times has it not happened? What should inspire confidence that this time will be different?

(Yes, I know: there's a strong positive correlation between the crappiness of a Linden initiative and its likelihood of completion, and this one looks phenomenally crappy at the moment. Still, I have faith in the decelerating force of anything involving actual effort.)

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*I don't think it's entirely sporting to criticize a forum outside that forum itself, but to those posting for the first time on other forums: there (much more than here--truly) post count matters. Just this past week or so, a few folks from here were posting in a long, particularly contentious thread across the street, and our sub-hundred post counts came up. It wasn't hostile, exactly, but... well, I guess my advice, in summary, is that it pays not to care too much about first impressions; not everybody will love you right away, but it really doesn't matter unless you make it an issue for yourself.

At the very bottom of the site on the left side there is a bar that says "Dark SLU new". Change it to Blue SLU.

I've gone over to SLU, and never really gotten into it. Maybe that'll change when they pull the plug here. Last night I was about to hit the post button on a reply, and thought "do I really want to get into this over here too?" and logged out.

I'll look at Slapt & Secondcitizen, but as of now, when this place goes I think I'm probably done with SL forums.

Brenda, it seems that this is NOT "just how it works". No one yet has found the SecondCitizen experience to be like the SLU experience. In fact, quite the opposite is true if we go by what has been said in this thread so far.

At SecondCitizen, hippies and Stone Age conservatives coexist in tumultuous anarchy, each confident that she will not be cast out for violating unwritten rules of conduct. This can make for some longer threads than at SLU but better threads, in my opinion. You cannot be banned for your opinion at SecondCitizen. You can be laughed at, you can get a rusty screw driver, and you can be placed on ignore by individual forum members. That is how it works there. But not banned. And, I believe that this striking difference is what defines SecondCitizen, so I highly recommend it. I am not disrecommending any other forum. I am a member of SecondCitizen, SLU, Duchy of Darkmere, Second Survivor, and a few Second Life blogs.

SC banishes people to a single subforum for a while if they behavior atrociously. It also requires an intro post and approval before being allowed to post elsewhere, although this doesn't seem to be uniformly enforced. SC is not completely unmoderated, and that seems like a good thing to me.

Gosh, what thread would THAT have been?

I think you are right: post counts do matter. But in defence of the community at SLU, let me reiterate something I said earlier in this thread: despite (against my better judgment) posting fairly forcibly and prolifically on a tendentious and unpopular subject on the General Discussion section there, the only REAL hostility I encountered was from a reasonably regular RA poster with whom I already have some "history." The SLU regulars were actually reasonably mild in their responses, and one or two PMed me in a friendly and conciliatory tone.

There are things I don't like (so far) about the SLU "culture," which I generally find less "serious" than here, but I haven't experienced any downright flaming yet myself. On the contrary, people have been quite friendly and welcoming.

This thread has the slight potential to push people from this (presumably) soon defunct forum to a new home. It's only natural that those of us who recognize the rot within SLU would want to direct folks to a better alternative. It's about wanting to build a better community for ourselves and for others. You can't fault us for that, even if you think we are misguided.

People are quite capable of hearing the different viewpoints and then evaluating the different alternatives for themselves - but some context in what to look for goes a long way to helping them get to their personal truth faster.



Not everybody believes all of those bans were deserved. The moderator isn't hair triggered. He hides his bias behind the facade of "light" moderation. Which interestingly, makes that bias all the more visible when he *does* act. It is also evident by what he *fails* to act on, when he really should. Well, that's my impression from a while ago. I can't say firsthand that he still does that, but other's comments from more recent events seems to suggest it still goes on.



I suppose if you never did or will do anything to cause that behaviour to be directed at you, and you are OK with it happening to others, then yes, you are at the right place.

But while there may be a number of folks common to both forums, the culture of the two are by far very different.

The requirement for an intro post was caused by one person signing up multiple accounts to troll/stalk one of the existing members.

The jury is still out on the moderation at SC, but so far, in actions anyway, it's been pretty even handed.

The one thing about SC though is that it's currently mostly populated by people who were in the orginal SC. People who typically have birth dates in these forums around 2004. SC needs new blood!

2003!

ahahaha

I like slapt.me too, but can't go into it from work due to the adult thingy at the front page of it. So I have to choose something more generic. Same reason I can't read forum member's blogs from work, that adult warning. I just made my first post on SLU, and have also signed up for SC. So, we'll see.......

I barely noticed the adult thingy on slaptme.

Its not repeated on any of the internal meta-tags. Once you're in there, you're in. The adult thing is probably there because the shop is an uncensored version of xstreet. Its designed to look and feel like a pre-linden takeover xstreet.

Ray, you have to bear in mind that you are gazing at this topic through the eyes of one of the popular folks over there. I've seen you bump heads, but your posts are still always sensible and fair. Not to embarrass you, but it's true. So your perspective will be somewhat different that someone not in the same position.