Why do men pay for sl sex when there're so many orgy rooms?
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Gabriele Graves
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03-05-2008 15:13
From: Phil Deakins I've no idea what a "fub" is, but it doesn't sound very compliumentary. The last part of your statement says a lot. It's real people who are the attraction, and not animated drawings. There isn't an avatar in SL, male or female, that is so attractive that a person *really* wants to have sex with it. Not one. But there are lots of people operating avatars who think their avatars are so attractive that members of the opposite sex naturally want to have sex with it. It's especially females who have that mentality. In RL, it would be true, but not in SL. In SL, there is no sexually attractive avatar, and no sexual power in avatars. Any sexual attraction that there is, is in the person behind the avatar. We get it - you dont find pixel sex or cartoons sexually thrilling - you can only speak for yourself and not others, please stop making generalisations that cannot be proven. All you are doing is expressing an opinion so please stop making it sound like facts. Oh and i find your bashing of women here offensive, please stop. Thank you
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 15:30
From: Gabriele Graves We get it - you dont find pixel sex or cartoons sexually thrilling - you can only speak for yourself and not others, please stop making generalisations that cannot be proven. All you are doing is expressing an opinion so please stop making it sound like facts. All I can say then is that it's sad that some people can get off on animated drawings, but there you go. Personally, I'd be too ashamed to admit that I could get off on animated drawings, but that's me. From: Gabriele Graves Oh and i find your bashing of women here offensive, please stop. I'm sorry that your offended - you obviously haven't read what I wrote about SL women. For one thing, I wrote about avatars, not the women behind them. For another thing, I wrote that some SL women imagine that men want them, simply because they are female avatars. If you find that offensive, then I'm sorry. It just happens to be true, and that's not my fault.
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Gabriele Graves
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03-05-2008 15:38
From: Phil Deakins No. I never wonder that at all. I know the reason already. It's because many, perhaps most, females in SL think far more highly of themselves than they merit. They seem to imagine that men in general want to have sex with them, when they don't. In my experience, it's the other way round - and I'm not joking. Here you are talking about females in SL not SL avatars, also avatars do not think by themselves. You are being offensive in my opinion.
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Cristalle Karami
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03-05-2008 15:40
From: Phil Deakins Then there are some very sad people around. But I disagree anyway. SL women do not have sexual power over men, any more than SL men have sexual power over women. I know that people hit on people - I get hit on - but it doesn't mean anything like the same thing as it would in RL. Animated drawings just don't have real sexual power. First, I want to comment that the personal attack against Colette (not quoted here) is unnecessary. She and others just have a different point of view, and you're not going to agree. Second, you're just being judgmental. I also cannot understand it, truly, because for me it is more the power of the person behind it than anything else that makes an avatar sexy, but I just accept that it is what it is. Is it sad? To you. I am more perplexed by it but that's the extent of the emotion. I am otherwise apathetic. But clearly since you get hit on, you are on the receiving end of the same thing and whether or not it is sad is really of no consequence. I will say this, though, while the power may not be substantial and will vary among people, it is nevertheless *real* and is only a matter of degree. The guy begging me for 5 minutes of my time? I had power. Fairly insubstantial and inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, but it was real.
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Ann Launay
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03-05-2008 15:40
From: Phil Deakins All I can say then is that it's sad that some people can get off on animated drawings, but there you go. Personally, I'd be too ashamed to admit that I could get off on animated drawings, but that's me. It's sad that some people's life view is so restricted and narrow. From: someone I'm sorry that your offended - you obviously haven't read what I wrote about SL women. For one thing, I wrote about avatars, not the women behind them. For another thing, I wrote that some SL women imagine that men want them, simply because they are female avatars. If you find that offensive, then I'm sorry. It just happens to be true, and that's not my fault. You basically said SL women as a whole are full of themselves...that's pretty offensive. And the fact that YOU believe something to be true does not make it true for everyone. It's your opinion, not fact.
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 15:56
From: Ann Launay You basically said SL women as a whole are full of themselves...that's pretty offensive. And the fact that YOU believe something to be true does not make it true for everyone. It's your opinion, not fact. It would have helped if you'd found a quote of what I said. here's what I actually said:- From: someone No. I never wonder that at all. I know the reason already. It's because many, perhaps most, females in SL think far more highly of themselves than they merit. They seem to imagine that men in general want to have sex with them, when they don't. See? "many, perhaps most". I don't think that can be be understood as "women as a whole". Because of the "perhaps most" part, the word "many" necessarily means a minority.
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 16:08
From: Gabriele Graves Here you are talking about females in SL not SL avatars, also avatars do not think by themselves. You are being offensive in my opinion. It could be read like that, Gabriele, but it does say "females in SL", and the only females that I see in SL are avatars. However, it's the people (not necessarily RL women) behind those SL females who I refered to as imagining that men want them, because they think their avs are that attractive. To reiterate my previous post, I said it of "many, perhaps most", and not of all women, or even women in general. I can't help it that some people don't like that fact, but I see it, and it's true. Earlier in the thread, I admitted that I have a thing about it that the OP sparked off with what read as a false generalisation about men. I hear SL females indicating that they think I'd like to have sex with them, and I'm too much of a gentleman to tell them that they aren't attractive, but I can say it here. They are good looking avatars, as avatars go, but avatars are not sexually attractive in themselves. The people behind them may be, but I'm not even talking about that. I'm only talking about women imagining that men in general want their av sexually. They think too highly of themselves when they think that. And if some men do want their avs sexually, then they are sad men.
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FD Spark
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03-05-2008 16:11
From: Missy Malaprop exactly... SL sex can be very fun, but its hard to find someone of quality because most are like that. You're supposed to totally ignore the poseballs, they are tools to enhance the experience, you don't mention them or focus on them... you pretend your just doing the things. The people that enjoy SL Sex more are ones that know how to properly roleplay. The problem is that most people do not even know what RP is... even some of the ones that think they know... Personally I have had experience with roleplaying and even use to work as real life sex worker but that was just a job, nothing more, nothing less. I realized there needs to be special personality to do this well and after numerous years I realized that wasn't me. I have had online very intense emotional connections that were sexual not within SL and I get why people might do them. It just didn't feel right but that is just me.
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Love Hastings
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03-05-2008 16:14
Sorry, but "many, perhaps most" implies a generalization - a stereotype. And an offensive one at that. Frankly it's not that offensive, since it appears that between you and "many, perhaps most" women in SL, you seem to be the one with the issues.
Don't mind me... I'm just in a snarly mood today.
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Madhu Maruti
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03-05-2008 16:16
Two thoughts occur to me (well, many thoughts occur to me, but only two that I care to post at the moment):
First, Phil has asserted that many or most of the female avatars he encounters in SL think they are attractive enough that male avatars should want to have sex with them based upon that alone. I am wondering: How many of those female avatars do you think are operated by RL men, and how many by RL women? (Question addressed to everyone, not just Phil.) I don't yet have a theory of how this factor affects my opinion of Phil's comments, but I'm curious to know what you all have in mind when you are thinking about horny, conceited female avatars.
Second, what I find troubling about Phil's comments is that he has declared it "sad" that people are turned on by things that don't turn him on. I find that bizarre and judgmental. There is ample evidence that drawings can be profoundly erotic - not just SL and hentai, but millennia of erotic art supports the notion that many, many people can be turned on by mere cartoons. It's wrongheaded of Phil to declare that "sad" just because it doesn't float his own boat.
I'd like to give Phil's other judgments the benefit of the doubt (allowing for what strike me as his overbroad generalizations of the "most women are ____" variety), but on this point he has showed a surprising inability to see things from a point of view that differs from his own, and for me that calls his judgment into question.
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Colette Meiji
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03-05-2008 16:17
From: Phil Deakins There was nothing clumsy about it, Collette. How very stupid of you. How your comments were received would suggest otherwise.
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Ann Launay
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03-05-2008 16:20
From: Phil Deakins
See? "many, perhaps most". I don't think that can be be understood as "women as a whole". Because of the "perhaps most" part, the word "many" necessarily means a minority.
'As a whole' allows for exceptions...it doesn't necessarily mean 'all,' just that you've considered the whole issue before coming to a conclusion. 'Many, perhaps most' implies you believe you've sampled a large enough section of the population to come to a such a conclusion. From: someone as a whole All parts or aspects considered; altogether: disliked the acting but enjoyed the play as a whole. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/as+a+whole
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 16:20
From: Colette Meiji How your comments were received would suggest otherwise. Oh, I don't think so. People don't seem to agree with my comments, but that doesn't mean that any of my comments were "clumsy attempts" at anything. If you don't care for stones being thrown at you, try to avoid throwing them at people yourself. It does work, you know 
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03-05-2008 16:20
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Colette Meiji
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03-05-2008 16:23
From: Cristalle Karami First, I want to comment that the personal attack against Colette (not quoted here) is unnecessary. She and others just have a different point of view, and you're not going to agree.
Thank you Cristalle. I didn't take his remark personally though. Phil's pretty quick with the personal attacks when he deals with me. Him calling me stupid doesn't make him right, nor me wrong.
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 16:23
From: Love Hastings Sorry, but "many, perhaps most" implies a generalization - a stereotype. And an offensive one at that. Frankly it's not that offensive, since it appears that between you and "many, perhaps most" women in SL, you seem to be the one with the issues.
Don't mind me... I'm just in a snarly mood today. So am I  I think it's quite reasonable to take words are they are written, and "many, perhaps most" is not a generalisation by any stretch of the imagination. You may infer what you wish to infer, but inferences don't change anything facts.
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 16:27
From: Colette Meiji Thank you Cristalle.
I didn't take his remark personally though.
Phil's pretty quick with the personal attacks when he deals with me.
Him calling me stupid doesn't make him right, nor me wrong. I don't think that Cristalle noticed that you threw first stone, Colette. Don't do it, and they won't be thrown back.
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Colette Meiji
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03-05-2008 16:27
From: Phil Deakins Oh, I don't think so. People don't seem to agree with my comments, but that doesn't mean that any of my comments were "clumsy attempts" at anything. If you don't care for stones being thrown at you, try to avoid throwing them at people yourself. It does work, you know  They were clumsy because many people misinterpreted what you said and figured you for a sexist pig, But have been too nice to say it in so many words. But that isnt what you meant, You meant something else. Hence my characterization of your first explanation as clumsy. I would also categorize your subsequent attempts as clumsy since you appear to be asserting that those who don't hold your opinion concerning pixel/cyber sex are "sad".
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Love Hastings
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03-05-2008 16:28
From: Phil Deakins So am I  I think it's quite reasonable to take words are they are written, and "many, perhaps most" is not a generalisation by any stretch of the imagination. You may infer what you wish to infer, but inferences don't change anything facts. Oh, I couldn't disagree more. It is an implied generalization. If you really don't mean that, then try better wording. And perhaps apologize for managing to offend. You can start with Colette.
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 16:30
From: Ann Launay 'As a whole' allows for exceptions...it doesn't necessarily mean 'all,' just that you've considered the whole issue before coming to a conclusion. 'Many, perhaps most' implies you believe you've sampled a large enough section of the population to come to a such a conclusion. Of course, "as a whole" allows for exceptions, but nothing I said was like that. I said that a "minority, perhaps evem a majority". I changed the actual words to make the phrase more easily understood 
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Colette Meiji
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03-05-2008 16:33
Of course if you intended all along to initially come across as a sexist Pig;
And then later to come across as judgmental of people's fantasy life,
Then you were not clumsy, but instead crass.
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Victorria Paine
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03-05-2008 16:33
Are the millions of people who find pornographic photos arousing also sad? I mean, after all, it is simply a depiction of flesh, there is no flesh there, no pheromones, and they are mostly rather liberally altered with graphical programs like Photoshop and Aperture. Is this also sad?
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Phil Deakins
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03-05-2008 16:34
From: Colette Meiji They were clumsy because many people misinterpreted what you said and figured you for a sexist pig,
But have been too nice to say it in so many words.
But that isnt what you meant,
You meant something else. Hence my characterization of your first explanation as clumsy.
I would also categorize your subsequent attempts as clumsy since you appear to be asserting that those who don't hold your opinion concerning pixel/cyber sex are "sad". You intended it as a little insult, Colette - I don't believe otherwise. There's nothing clumsy about me thinking that people who are turned on by animated graphics are sad. I'm allowed to think that, and to say it. Nothing clumsy about it at all.
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Madhu Maruti
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03-05-2008 16:40
From: Phil Deakins You intended it as a little insult, Colette - I don't believe otherwise.
There's nothing clumsy about me thinking that people who are turned on by animated graphics are sad. I'm allowed to think that, and to say it. Nothing clumsy about it at all. And here I thought Colette was trying to make you look like less of a jerk, by saying essentially - Phil's views aren't as harsh and judgmental as he's making them sound, he just hasn't expressed himself clearly. When in fact, you appear to have intended to sound like a jerk. :/ Please see my post and other's above questioning why having different sexual tastes from your own is sad.
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Colette Meiji
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03-05-2008 16:40
From: Phil Deakins You intended it as a little insult, Colette - I don't believe otherwise.
There's nothing clumsy about me thinking that people who are turned on by animated graphics are sad. I'm allowed to think that, and to say it. Nothing clumsy about it at all. I never said your opinion was clumsy. Just the way you appear to be presenting it. I could be wrong and you *meant* to sound like a jerk. In which case, I apologize for saying your post was clumsy. And instead I'll just call you a jerk. Up to you, doesn't bother me either way.
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