The Answer is "NO"

As representative of Blue Button Holding Company, all requests for land trades from our group have been suspended until land illegally taken from our group by Guy Linden in Alexsandr is returned AND when Harmony Linden commits to her promise to "meet next week" (this was more than a month ago) for clarification of 16m plot policies.

ugh. that all sounds awful.

i fear you will never see a proper conclusion once LL has brought down the hand of God. even though i doubt it will, i hope it works out the way you want.

Ok, I give in.

Pep (If the answer is no, what was the question?)

It is awful.

We really don't like having to stop helping our neighbors, but vague policies have alot of wrong impression out there.

Everyday, we are threatened with abuse reports, because some people still consider us ad cutters. Not only that, we also receive and excessive amounts of DEMANDS to make us give away our land, or be reported.

Never once, since 2005 have we be warned, disciplined or asked to change anything about our group.

Your 16m should be treated like everyone elses. If it is good for the land barons, it is good for you. A ban on data mining should follow. Limiting scanning scripts to the land you own would be a good start.

At the risk of disclosure, let me give some background.

For nearly a year, there has been one owner in Alexsandr, who has been constructively griefing us. This person has been DEMANDING we sell our land to them. Our policy is clearly written and we respond amiably to hundreds of requests every month.

Not this guy though, instead has embarked on a fabrication of abuse reporting. It started at first by him placing a large building on the land with a tiny door. The door was located directly adjacent to our plot. It's very obvious, this was done to fabricate an abuse report against us for "blocking". That failed. Some time later, this guy openly distributed notecards in the Arbor Group of his conversations with Weedy, who refuses to deal him because of his abuses. I never read that notecards, but I've been told by others it incriminates him, not Weedy as the person being unreasonable.

The last few days, this guy has been "extreme-terraforming". I attended the plot two days ago, where his land was set at its lowest level, our land appeared a a spike on the land. I then smoothed it to even it with the current contours. I returned a day later to followup, and found the land raised to its highest extreme, giving our plot the appearance of a deep hole. This is very obvious, he was doing this to file an AR against us under the extreme terraform rules, but he is the insitgator.

Today I log on, the land was taken from our group, who paid for the land since 2005.

Guy Linden said he had no idea of the abuse report history with this person. This is proof, the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing at Linden Lab and we are victims of this on a daily basis.

The ploicy is clear as mud and they have fed us to the dogs. Last month Harmony Linden asked us to "freeze expansion" of our group, pending a clearer definition of the policy and how it should apply to us. We agreed, but have not heard from her since, despite numerous efforts to re-connect with her.

In my opinion this is both theft and malfeasance from Linden staff.

So - curiosity because I have no idea what your group does- what's it all about anyway?

We were around alot longer than ad cutters, never broke a single rule and have had the greatest portion of our viability co-opted by Linden Lab for their own profits.

We both warned LL of the direction ad cutters were taking and we had proactive measures to avoid it. Of course, that fell on deaf ears for nearly three years. Now LL is feeding us to the dogs, because of vague policy.

Our function is proprietary. We do not disclose because of NDAs and we are not willing to give any legitimacy to the ad cutters or land extortionists who might claim to be doing what we are doing.

So - just from this brief bits here- u own teeny pieces of land right? And unlike adcutters there is no ugly spinny things- so is there anything at all on them that bothers people? Why is this guy targeting you?

No, there is nothing in our codebase that causes an annoyance to neighbors. We are not collecting av keys or anything which describe or account for avatars in any way. We are only interested in a very narrow scope of sim data for our own purposes.

This guy harrassed Weedy for almost a year. His excuse is "I want to buy the entire sim"
so somehow he got it in his head, that his demand is golden. He knows our policy but refused to accept it, and instead embarked on a long griefing process to construct abuse reports against us. He is wholly an unreasonable person and as such was muted by everyone in our group.

Then he somehow managed to get Guy Linden to take our land, without notice.

Whether it's targetting or not only those involved know, but when you're trying to sell 65520 that missing 16M is going to be an issue.

Dave the 16M parcel is set for sale to you for L$0, is that the same parcel you had before?

No, that is not our plot

We were not notified to the land being taken.

We were not willing to trade anything, until this person resolved his history with our group.

Linden Lab has NO BUSINESS intervening in disputes between residents, particularily when it involves talking land from us without notice.

I have a little piece of SL Bermuda Triangle on my home land - it is right next to my hot tub and it is vaguely annoying- might be you! Yes I can see why it wd be bothersome, but tbh, in my case- the little hole was there when I bought the land so I just put a plant in front of it and forget it 'isn't' there.

So they've moved your 16M plot ....I don't know what to make of this, a 16M plot in the middle of that parcel would have made selling it a lot more difficult, so the seller has had a major boost there.

The point is, the guy has been as asshat to us for ages. He was put on ignore. Not only that, openly advocates disclosing conversations by distributing notecards in the Arbor Group, a long string of false ARs against us, yet he is the one rewarded, while we are expected to wait while Linden Lab sits on it's hands.

A Linden stealing another person's land and giving it away without notice, is unacceptable. Period

I don't disagree with you and you deserve an explanation.

In the meantime I think I'll go and ask if Guy will move the rows of 16M parcels set for sale for between L$777 and L$999 in a sim I have land in, if this is the policy then it should be applied equally or not at all.

Thing is, this is not an isolated incident.

Careless Lindens have taken our land before. At first, we brushed it off as an honest error and gave everyone the benfit of the doubt...especially Guy Linden.

But in the past year, it's happened time and time again. One particular incident was ugly, when the concierge accused us "ostentatious advertising" on a plot which contained no such thing. This caused us to file a complaint with the BBB and Linden Lab never responded, but Guy later reviewed the situation and cleared us of any wrongdoing.

Since then, some people who have been muted by us for being unreasonable, have had trades facilitated by Lindens. While I find this objectionable, at the very least we recieved notice, that a plot is available for trade and it was left to us to sell our existing plot. Up to this day, we complied with EVERY request by LL, but just taking it without notice is completely unacceptable at every level.

According to Guy, my only choice was "take it or leave it". There was no meeting of the minds there, and as such is a breech of contract.

I really doubt he'll do that though, although he still upholds his decision with me.

Dave you should really send a message to Jack about this, one way or another something is wrong here.

I asked the concierge for a name and address for a supervisor at Linden Lab, that I may address a registered letter. They refused.

All they said to do was file a ticket, for which there is no category other than "other"

Jack Linden is in charge, send him a notecard and they really shouldn't refuse to name a supervisor or manager, that's pretty shoddy customer service.

I am probably being extremely naive and there is a lot more to this all than I understand- but - have you picked up the phone and called LL?

I think Harmony is working with Jack on this. She asked us to suspend our operation until they get back to us on how we can best manage this situation, especially incidents like this.

We spoke in February and she promised to get back to us within a week. We've dropped several IMs since, but didn't even get the decency of a reply. When we ask the concierge, she's either sick or gone home early or busy with later projects.

No, I'm not in the mood to hold for an hour to hear the same thing. The concierge brushed me off in Live Chat, they'll do that in person on the phone too.