The Answer is "NO"

So we can all kiss and make up? I followed LL's instructions so that they could perform a management action, thats' been done now, no need for this thread at all really or calling me a liar or saying I submitted false AR's, the report was simply LL's vehicle to rectify the situation.

/me gives dave a big kiss.

If your policy is to trade plots, then it won't be "bad" for you at all. It is following a policy that is already compatible with yours.



What difference does it make? If you are open to parcel swaps, it doesn't matter who did what. Swap the parcels and be done with it. The reason this happened is, for whatever reason, you weren't open to a parcel swap, in contradiction to your normal policy.



I know you have. I've always spoken positively of Weedy when anyone asked; just said "send her a notecard with a polite request, and it will get handled". For all I have ever heard, with few exceptions, that has always been the case.



I agree that it is wrong to use the AR system under false pretenses, but the fact of the matter is that you refused to swap parcels, which is now a requirement in these situations, and you were legitimately ARed over it. That's why I asked early on in this thread why you didn't just swap the parcels and be done with it. There wouldn't have been any ARs, there wouldn't have been a need to come in to RA and start a posturing tantrum.



Notices of that kind are a courtesy, not a requirement. LL has always intervened in disputes which were the result of rule / policy violations. This one is no different.



You're far from alone in that, but that has little to do with the issue.

Ultimately, Guy Linden had the capability to verify both your stories himself, and decide on the proper course of action. While the Lindens are far from "perfect", it is their job to be the ultimate arbiter of these kinds of issues. Under the circumstances, I support the action, if not the rationale, because it was not only proper, but compatible with your normal policies and intent (as far as I know, anyway). That you are not happy with it, I can understand, but I think you're better off putting your professional business hat on and walking away from it, rather than continue this posturing.

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LibSL is not a bot program, it is an API. You still have to write an application on top of it for it to do anything. Bot programs on top of LibSL are the application.

Yes. Ewan never requested at any time, it was all demand. There is a difference.

We are not Linden Lab, we are not governance, and as such it is not up to us to manage griefers. That's LL job.





Since the episode in Shark with Ewan, he was muted. She could not possibly have have known what he was doing in Alexsandr. I never heard from him until 3 days ago and that was way after the fact, especially how he treated her in the Arbor Group.




LL asked us months ago, if we would be willing to help them clean up the mainland.

Last February, Harmony promised to arrange this meeting in a week's time for discussion/implimentation. She also asked us to freeze our operation until she gets back to us.

We agreed.

We've never heard from her since. We asked the concierge once a week for this meeting, but to this day, it's not happened. So here we sit, can't sell, can't buy, can't anything while LL ignores us. Does LL just expect us to pay tier on land we can't use? Does LL just expect us to sit idly by for months on end?


We are alot more angry at LL than we are Ewan, although Weedy might think otherwise.

Dave, Ewan, someone should bang the pair of your heads together, neither of you are coming out of this smelling of roses, stop washing your dirty linen in public.

You're both big enough and old enough to put this behind you.

QFT

He demanded that you trade him a plot? OK. So why didn't you, again?

If you run a store has a policy to give refunds for some reason, and one customer comes in asking nicely, then another comes in hot and demanding, what's the difference? You give the refund. Why? Because it is your policy. The policy doesn't stipulate "refunds only to those who ask nicely".



Unfortunately, you're also a business. Mute is fine for dealing with personal issues, but the point of contact for a business cannot afford to mute people.

Case in point: At the Isle of Wyrms, the Guardians are not allowed to mute anyone, unless they are permabanned from the Isle. It is because they have to be able to see and hear what people are saying to do their jobs. If they mute people who then turn around and violate the rules, or have a legitimate question they are supposed to answer, it makes them much less effective at their jobs and causes additional problems.

All business have a "point-of-contact" or "designated agent". Said agent/account/mail stop has to receive and process any/all communication from anyone, because there could arise, at any time, an issue at-law which MUST be responded to. Failure to do so could be disastrous to the business.

Besides, if you mute/ignore someone totally, how are they to give you an apology?



I think that is great, and it sucks that they haven't followed through. However, it is irrelevant to this specific situation, as I don't think it would include doing the things it specifically was intended to address (ie, parcel swaps and "cleaning up the mainland". I think what she meant was no more creating/buying more 16sqms until you talk. If you weren't sure, I would have showed up at Jack's OH and got a clarification directly from Jack that same week.

In the end, I am not defending Ewan's tactics outside of doing the machinations LL instructed him (and, indeed, the rest of us) to do, especially since I was not privy to the details as a witness. Chances are, he's got a lot to apologize for in this situation as well. However, it doesn't change the fact that this is LL's policy now, and it should have been followed regardless.

In addition, you and Weedy really need to detach yourselves from the situation. You're both making yourselves miserable letting things like this get to you, and making you take a hostile posture towards everyone. Like I said in a previous message, I severely doubt the asshats make up a majority of the people you deal with. I could be wrong in that, but I just don't see it. Why forget about all the nice people who have treated you fairly and with respect, and focus on the few who are being asshats? Let them sit and stew in their own froth and bile, whilst you continue happily onward.

He never asked Weedy to trade, ever. At first he demanded Weedy turn it over to him. Then he demanded we sell it for an insulting price.

Weedy explianed our trade policy, but he would have nothing of it.

3 days ago he sent a note to me. He had every opportunity to then, at the very least admit to getting off on the wrong foot with Weedy, but no, instead it was nothing more than a carefully worded demand letter.

Hence he was ignored by me too.

Regardless of who was where first, how it was asked for, etc. There is a broader issue here which affects the mainland as a whole. As land changes hand, often times the micros languish for years. Great, they have nothing on it , but when a larger parcel is peppered with random empty squares and the owner wants to get rid of it- it risks getting cut up again. If LL is trying to be an estate manager, minimizing the cut, rinse, repeat cycle is critical.

While not a perfect resolution, moving micros to the edge of the sim creates as clean as possible sim that MAYBE won't revert to griefing landcutting and extortion again. Nothing is taken. Just moved.

I went and looked at Aleksander. If all micros could be moved to a subtle and unobtrusive location as in this situation- then there might be hope for the mainland.

Interesting Drama read... good to get away from the Adult content threads...

I wonder Dave, if LL cut back processing of your 16sm plots to 1/4096 of sim resources and throttled your scripts, how outraged you'd be?

You made it clear you don't collect Personal of Avatar information which pretty much leaves out any data mining of any value, but does still leave in distributed processing. I wonder how much Script Time your little 16sm parcels use?

Can you say without any rhetoric or side stepping the question that your scripts on your small parcels use a fair proportion of sim resources?

These are about the only questions I have in a thread full of 'He Said' - 'He Said'

Yes

That question has been raised for years, and numerous Lindens have examined our scripts.

Always with a clean bill of health.

On a side note, we have also helped LL many times, by reporting on abusive or bad scripts in other parts of the region, as well as some VERY serious global exploits.

Rather than file a simple AR, we were able to provide replicable scenarios and supporting data as well. This made the fixes quicker and easier.

I'll never forget the time she crashed the sim Crash Me, before a Linden audience. ( with 7 lines of LSL ) When everyone logged back in, they were like "AWESOME!!"

Ah!

Thanks for the straight answer, i'd love to see the Debug Scripts window for the sim though )

I've been able to do the same thing with our sim in terms of noticing an issue with other scripts based on the performance of mine. We run an average of 2700 scripts with 25ms CPU time.

Good luck with the Linden thing, I assume you've heard it's a dictatorship now and they will do what they please even if it drives away good customers.

I missed this part in my last reply, but it's important to respond.

Our current codebase is well with this limit. With our current project, we have revisited the code and think we are in a position to change some things, which would like half, or perhaps even quarter the current usage.

We would happily operate with quotas/sq meter rules.

Perhaps if the community knew we operated within a known quota, it would dispell alot of needless abuse. It's easy to blame others for your own lag, if you know what I mean.

I see problems with that being practical though, because attachments could exploit it. People would likely experience problems rezzing vehicles, or building multi-scripted elaborate objects on their cozy 512.

The community would be outraged more than we would.

Sometimes sims don't restart. It's usually because there is some really bad scripting going on. A few years ago, every now and then, a Linden returns our script. We usually want to know what happened and attend the sim. Sometime times they ask us to wait to reset the script, but normally we just set it and go. No problem with that whatsoever. I have a problem with scripts being deleted though. Our scripts only report when certain conditions are met. We might not know for a very long time, when a script goes missing.
So rest in peace naysayers, our code does not amass blocks of data and dump it into remote servers for our profit. I don't like that anymore that they do. It's not fair we should be accused of it, simply because they think we do.

We had considered implimenting something to better manage our inventory, especially since the Lindens began carelessly seizing our land. When this happens, the burden of proof is always dumped on us, even though LL is better equipped to provide that information. Seized land disappears from our server side records, so unless we provide proof of our inventories, they can hang us up for a while. Sometimes it takes a few days, but we usually get our land back, or an alternate plot.

BTW - Elanthius if you are still lurking. How often do people hassle you for bot code?

You should ask him how often some nimrod treats him like a land cutter every time he shows up to Jack's office hours.

We avoid that like the plague.

Besides never getting a word in edgewise on deaf ears.

It's funny how perceptions and misconceptions are so scattered in SL.

Folks haunt us about our microparcel scripts, but completely ignore our dance machine.

When we first joined SL, animations were just implimented... 1.3 maybe? Dance machines were all the rage, but they were expensive and used alot of prims, so we figured we would enter the market with one.

We hacked a single prim version together. Being green at LSL, the code was messy. Not horrid, just really inefficient and will a few bugs. We didn't think it was worth anything and although it was low prim, it wasn't anything close to being better than the ones that were available at the time. Weedy decided to put it out as a freebee in her shop, so those who couldn't afford the good one's could at least have something in the meantime.

We had no idea LL would drop the ball as bad as they did on IP rights and the business in a box BS, made that freebee a nightmare for us. To this day, there 10s of thousands of chims, huddles, SuperDooperDanceBalls, BEST IN SL DANCE MACHINE locked down copies of our freebee. Little do our critics know, they were bilked out of 1000s of Lindens and are frolicking around the grid with some of the worst scripts in the database.

Sometimes I take a tour around the grid to see some of the shops declaring to have the best dance machine in SL, and cringe at some of the sites.

Reserved judgment through about 8 pages, in order to learn something....but after scanning to page 15, must say, didn't learn a darn thing except....what a great example of a colossal waste of RL time and energy....

.... feel a lecture coming on about how valuable our time and energy is every day....unfortunately, some don't realize that until after a rude awakening, which I would not wish upon anyone.

Amazing how a few can spend so much time on Nothing in a world that is designed to provide the Opposite.

Will spare the lecture, but really, simply.....Get a Life...Get a Real Life....if you can't have that, at least get a Second Life.....but get Something.

What a waste.

All that. Hard to believe that this thread between oldb's over a 16 is still smokin' hot. get over it and go forward. Believe me, it's for the best.

No, don't get over it. This stuff matters. Keep it going until Friday.

I have a FAQ at http://ninjaland.net/faq/#_Will_you_sell_your_landbot_02_5440060595244128

Where it reads:
No. If you want to buy a landbot look here http://landbot.co.cc/ or here https://xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1283563. Other landbot offers on eBay and so on in the past have been scams.

Although now I'm hearing some unpleasantness about the xstreetsl link I'm not sure if I should remove it from the FAQ or what.

As for custom built software, I'm notoriously lazy and my applications generally have extremely poor user interfaces or more likely no UI at all so I generally avoid it.

Do I understand this correctly -

Dispute between two land holders. One withholds a tiny part of the parcel to prevent sale. Both want their way and neither can agree on terms.

LL gets tired of hearing about it and yanks the land entirely.

Is that it? Just trying to follow along. No way to pass judgment on this personally.

In all such disputes I've found that letting go
is the fast track to sanity.

I know it should be more complicated than that.

But actually it isn't.