The Answer is "NO"

I understand it would be a shock for the 16sqm parcel owner when they get moved.

However I am glad of the lindens policy to move microparcels if they are in the middle of someones land even if that person came in later
16 sqm parcels cause "donuts" as time passes and new people buy land in sims.
They ruin the mainland experience for many would be expanding land owners and so cause a loss in revenue to LL.
Micro parcels contribute so little tier to LL they arn't worth the loss.

Maybe LL should just code something into SL for example a minumum ownership of 256sqm in a sim.
I suggested a minimum of 128sqm to have prims in a sim back in the days of the impeach bush guy.

Its a shame there arn't script functions so you dont need to own a parcel in each sim to be able to acomplish what the OP needs these micro parcels for.

The question is: do you have to base it on something? No one ask you to choose side.

Compare it with a court case: if both parties present themselves, and not a shred of evidence is presented, the case is dismissed. This thread is just alike: so no verdict can be spoken. And no need to choose a side.

Funny thing is that this might well be the cause of many threads ending up in fights: people tend to choose sides quite easy, and based on hardly any real information.

They're different because when I ask a microparcel griefer to trade their plot, I come back to discover they've put something nasty on it. When I ask Blue Button, they say "why, sure" and show up in short notice to do the move.

Now I think they should go ahead and move even if someone's an ass to them, but if they're being asses to people who are asses to them, well, it's dumb but it's understandable.

As I said before, this is a game where the only way to win is to lose. Whoever backs down first wins. I hope it's BB.

That has already been taken off the table by Linden Labs multiple times, because there are too many legitimate reasons for having a single square with a unique owner.

The continent in question hasn't even been online for 5 years,

http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/M%C3%A3ebaleia -

the fourth continent according to NCI maps. Given that the second continent only came online four years ago.......

http://secondlife.wikia.com/wiki/Heterocera_Atoll

it is impossible for BBH to have held land in Aleksandr for 5 years.

Again, facts are brilliant because everyone can check them.

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Nobody asked you to comment on my comment either. You did the same thing I did... you read it and felt compelled to express an opinon. That is you right just as it is mine. In my case I read a gazzillion posts and came to the conclusion that Ewan is not being truthful and is also gloating about it, which makes me believe that he is the type of person that could very well have been antagonistic to Weedy and later on dishonest in his ARs.

4 years... 5 years... does it matter? They were still there before you and did not cut the parcel.

Do you know if they discussed selling size ?


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Man you're right, facts don't matter lets all just drink Dave's kool-aid. I parceled a 16 for them, I encourage a trade in line with his public policy, on the instruction of Linden Lab I filed an abuse report the guy got a trade then chose to make an issue of it, I came here and stated the facts and some other people took offense at that.

I don't understand how people that just do harm longer are accepted for doing it. I asked the guy to move to the corner of the sim, subsequent owners of the land will not need to ask again, he had all his problems with that plot now or that may come up in the future sorted, it was the ideal move for him, I just helped him never have to worry about moving a particular plot again.

What are some of those Argent ?

I can understand the need to be able to split your own land in a sim into multiple small parcels so you can assign different land properties to each piece.
For example I have split my land into seperate parcels for my house, garden, pond, shop etc etc. It is a usefull ability.
However that is still owning a large amount of land on the same sim even though each parcel may be small.

What is the reason to own just 16sqm in a sim ?

They have discussed limiting the price a small piece of land can sell for. They would have to make MANY changes to actually limit the size of a parcel that could be sold, without causing big problems.

The problem is, there's nothing to "back down" over anymore. LL already completed the switch, so the doughnut-hole 16m is now owned by the Ewan person (and now joined with the rest of the surrounding land) and this Blue group now owns a different 16m parcel on the same sim that isn't in the middle of someone else's land. Evidently this is unacceptable to BB, for two reasons:

1. They are upset with LL's decision because since Ewan was an "asshat", they specifically intended to keep their doughnut hole to spite him, and

2. Since LL's decision resulted in Ewan getting what he wanted, Ewan is now very happy, a fact which apparently antagonizes BB, resulting in the "it's not over" comment.

LL has done this to microparcel owners and landcutters many times - switching problematic doughnut holes for other microparcels elsewhere. I don't see why this is a problem, and neither of these people have convinced me that LL did something horrible and worthy of protest here.

You can own parcels in different groups. If you do this they have different owners. This is often used for single-square home points, vendor points, and so on in larger builds.

Just "face", and that's the really important thing.

Well, that's been my point all along. BB had any number of chances to "be the adult", but they've pointedly rejected them all because they need to be -right-; they will likely reject this one as well. Not only that, but in light of all this, it's clear that BB is essentially attempting to extort other landowners that may want to get rid of a BB doughnut hole into protesting LL's decision for them, or else "we're not trading anymore". It's a temper tantrum. In my estimation, BB's collective ego was too tied up in that 16m plot to just let it go and move on.

1. Dave and Weedy did not cut the parcel. They ARE NOT LANDCUTTERS a la Robo, Umnik, etc. The parcel we are talking about probably was not a true donut hole, but is one that was joined after purchases from other neighbors, giving the APPEARANCE of a donut hole, not actually be one cut by a devious cutter. Dave would probably be able to tell us if that's the case.

2. Dave and Weedy merely owned the parcel, which is NOT a violation of the new policy.

3. Ewan brought this about by submitting false ARs, and trying to make it appear like Dave and Weedy were terrorforming their parcel to harass him, and that is grossly unethical, underhanded, and scummy.

4. While Ewan may have had cause to be upset about the hole's existence, it WASN'T Dave and Weedy's fault, and his asshattery put him in the position where Dave and Weedy refused to deal with him. Tough cookies.

5. Even though Linden Lab arranged a 1-1 swap, it still intervened in a resident dispute that did not involve violations of TOS. The existence of a microparcel in and of itself is NOT griefing. Verbal abuse and disclosure of conversations ARE griefing. It was a visibly empty plot, and it wasn't for sale, and it wasn't GOING to be for sale as a matter of exploitation. Dave and Weedy exist because they are not violating the landcutting policy.

All of these ^^

How is it a false AR when the estate manager tells you to "let harry know", then a land concierge tells you if you don't receive a reply to file an AR to "get it in the system". It was on the direct instruction of LL to formalise my complaint about a commercial micro parcel that could be swapped to the corner of the sim to minimise impact, which is supposed to be BBH's ethos anyway.

The AR was entirely about it being a doughnut in the middle of a sim that was causing a hassle.

There are facts, community standards and the TOS, which is the world I live in. Then there is this other fantasy world you choose to believe. Regardless of the nonsense here, one more mainland sim just got slightly better and long may it continue, for the benefit of all residents.

A donut hole is still a donut hole even if it arises much later than the 16sqm was created.

That is the problem with micro parcels. they cause donut holes as land owners try to expand their land.
Its in LL's interest to want people to expand their land so microparcels are a problem as they put people off expansion.

This is the reason why the OP's group prefer land touching protected land. This way they don't cause a donut as time progresses, and I respect them for that.

I don't see the difference between a rightfully owned and properly used 16m donut hole and any other sized parcel that would prevent someone else from buying up the sim. It is completely wrong how LL intervened in this matter.

You really should stay out of it, Ewan. You lost this one very early in the thread when you tried to fool people with the one piece of evidence that made you look good. But people are not stupid and you well and truly lost your case. Better for you if you just stay out of it, imo, and hope that people here have short memories.

That's fine, but it doesn't matter. How it came to be a doughnut hole might make for a fun and drama-filled academic discussion, but the fact is at some point it became one and that's when the trouble started - trouble that could've been ended so easily if it weren't for the whole "I'll teach YOU" attitude. The genesis of a doughnut hole has no bearing on the fact that doughnut holes are nothing but a tremendous pain in the rear for people who own the land surrouding them. The fact that it was a doughnut hole may not have been BB's "fault", but it was what it was, and they had the power to correct the situation.



Well, Ewan says he submitted the ARs only after LL suggested he do so. He also said it was BB who was doing the terraforming, and that he only raised/lowered his land to try and match the 16m parcel. All of this is pure he-said-she-said on both parties' accounts, and since I can't fairly decide who's misrepresenting what, I'm just ignoring this particular issue.

But as an aside, let's assume Ewan was doing these things - placing buildings to be "blocked", terraforming to show the inconsistency, etc. While they are certainly exaggerated means of illustrating a point, that point is valid - if somebody owns enough land to make a decently-sized hill or hollow out of it, a 16m doughnut hole -does- prevent that from happening. Having enough land, by the numbers, to accommodate a building means nothing if there's a 16m doughnut hole right in the middle of where you want to put the building. Doughnut holes -are- a pain, and people whose "business" involves owning a 16m plot need to be sensitive to this fact and have a little consideration if they don't want to be treated like people who do the same thing, but for "bad" purposes instead of good (but -secret-) purposes. Refusing to sell a doughnut hole -is- something that landcutters and former adfarmers do a lot; nobody can be blamed for not readily believing that this instance wasn't intended to be griefing behavior.



Ewan didn't come here to start a thread complaining about the situation.



But LL took action. Apparently they must've felt there was some kind of violation at some point. BB insists they were framed, but -everybody- insists that ARs and Linden disciplinary sanctions were applied to them unfairly. It is true sometimes, but that doesn't make it true all the time.

The difference is normal 512+ sized parcels pay much more money for the same amount of disruption so its okay for them to block expansion of other users in that area.

16sqm parcels generate a microscopic amount of tier compared to the hassle they cause other land owners across the mainland, and LL have apparently ruled they can be moved when a donut occurs.

Im sure I read them saying something about 16sqms a while ago.

I thought 16sqm parcels cost the same in tier as a 512 does. The cost of a premium membership. So I still do not see the difference.

Question for Ewan which I haven't heard an answer to:

1. Did you first lower your land AFTER which Dave leveled his to you level?

2. Did you then raise your land?