Forum Hangout III

This thread is a continuation of that hellishly long one over there. Please abandon that thread! Here's where we left off:

The concept of a forum hangout has been suggested and approved. People have donated L$ and tier to The Forum Cartel group to purchase land for a clubhouse/hangout area. All donations are due by Monday Sept 17 at 23:59 SLT.

We're moving on from conceptual to planning. Here's Raymond's last post on the actual land purchase:



Comments?

My opinion on this is: who cares if there are ad farms? This is a hangout, not a home, and if we can save some poor soul from buying next to an existing ad farm for a home, even better. The plot might be cheaper if it's in a "scummy" neighborhood or ugly sim. We're not going to win any beauty prizes here, so I'd not worry about ad farms.

This post is for any input and public discussion regarding the land we will be purchasing with everyone's tier and L$ donations to this fun project. Please post your input before Tuesday's meeting, so your voice is heard and we can take your thoughts into account before we start our land search.

My proposal: We get a Class 5 mainland sim 4096 meter plot of gently sloped green land in a mature area with nice surroundings (no ad plots next door, no steep granite). 4096m. gives us the prims and space we need without worries about future expansion. Also I would set a price ceiling of L$7.5-$L8.0 per meter. The market continues to be flat and we should be able to find several plots as I have described them for that price.

I also propose we give you two or three options before we actually hit the buy button. We can post landmarks inworld and have people tour for a day or two before we pull the trigger. The only downside to this is we could miss out on a nice plot or the owner can jack up the price if they catch wind we are interested. I doubt either thing would happen in this saturated market.

Any thoughts or issues with what I am proposing for the land specs to give Sarah so we can begin to search next week?

Plot will be cheap regardless. Might as well buy in a nice area for when we crawl bleary-eyed from the hangout all drunk at 5am. One thing we want to avoid regardless is a laggy sim. But that's obvious. (I will try not to post a rebuttal to each post)

Could you post the name of the avi we are supposed to make the L$ donations to in this thread?

(And I know it isn't Raymond Figtree so you can save yourself the typing. )

Hi Nimue, all L$ go to CartelTrustAccount Mumfuzz. Tier donations go to The Forum Cartel group. Thanks for asking! For double book keeping, IM or PM me the amount of L$ you donate to Mumfuzz. Keeps us all honest.

I propose that we NOT put the parcel choice to group vote.

I motion that plot choice is at Raymond's sole discretion or whomever he chooses to accompany him on the search (which is still actually his sole discretion).

I do concur on the 4096m size choice.

And Nimue, the cartel banker's name is CartelTrustAccount Mumfuzz.

I agree with the no lag part. Flat green land sounds good too. I'm not familiar with the types of land that are available.

I have 4096 on a private island available. Any good?

Malachi, we're not putting it to a vote. We're just talking so that Raymond gets an idea of some suggestions out there. Raymond (with Brenda and Chris) are the arbiters of land purchase.

Up until now we have been talking about mainland.

What does everyone think about going estate instead?

Warda, who owns the island? How much would the monthly rent be?

More importantly, can it be deeded to group in perpetuity?

I do not want the sole responsibility. However I would be glad to share it with Sarah and the group officers instead of doing a group vote.

I strongly agree with Malachi on the "governance" aspect. We have delegated responsibility for various aspects to various people. Once the individual Terms of Reference have been agreed, then it should be solely for the nominated individual (who can bring in others or not as seems appropriate) to complete the action within those ToRs. As a safeguard - if people think one necessary - then perhaps a short list of options can be put to a final Executive Committee to make a final choice. Otherwise we run what would be (imho) a VERY considerable risk that we end up in incessant debate as to the perceived pros and cons of any choices....... and it's not like we can't move on in the future.

Inc

If we go estate instead of mainland, doesnt that make the donation of tier useless? Would there be a tier fee to pay to the estate owner or is that a donated plot? Are we sure it will be there for the long run or might they sell the sim in the not too distance future. Thus putting us back to square one...thats, if we went estate questions of course.

I still like the mainland idea, less risk?

Right Now i have nearly a quarter sim empty, at Trueblood. its not land.. all water, and i am not offering it for sale...

But.. i can make the offer of using the required space as a temporary sandbox to Raymond.. FOC.. Free Of Charge.. and for an initial .." will it work?" before purchase, on the basis that will happen before Christmas..


does that help?

Yes. I am making my first executive decision. We are sticking with Mainland. It started out as a mainland venture and it will remain one. More control and we get to use the donations of our generous constituency.

I own the island. So i think it is reasonable to assume teh landlady isn't going to abscond with the rent money.

As for monthly rent... uhm, what's the going rate these days?

Thanks for the offer, but we want land that is set to the group that we can have as a more permanent hangout. We have more than enough donations of tier and L$ and we might as well tap that resource from the get-go as opposed to having to move or negotiate later.

(Just a side btw, my post was just general questions about going estate, wasnt to imply anything about any estate owner, no offence meant of course! )

Warda, we are going to pass at this time because our tier is covered so we will have an upfront cost but then we won't have to worry about monthly payments. Perhaps the land you have available could be another unofficial hangout of sorts. Like my mainland sim that is always open to my forum friends.

I can donate tier if it will help Just let me know.

Understands.. no problem.. nothing assumed.. the only reason i offered, was because i know that great plans fall down often, for some unseen reason, after the money has been spent.. having space to try something before one spends someone elses money on the real thing.. somewhere else.. might have been usefull. i cannot (will not) assign my land to a group.. i am not going there.. but if you want some space to evaluate, and im always welcoming.. anyone can come.. let me know.

for a club house mainland is better if someone wants to ad to the plot its much easier later on if a plot next door goes for sale he can buy and donate. Also are group is getting larger and this might sound stupid but "the neighbours might complain" .

also might start out with a "nice area' on mainland however there is no guarantee it will stay that way, but it doesn't hurt to try...

After reading the thread just over this one as I write, "Take Warning From My Horrible Experience," I agree mainland is the way to go for this particular land deal. Too many messy scenarios with estate land. Brr.