Is Paying for Links in Profile Picks Cheating?

Human input only once, to identify which category this human is in, and the settings that should be placed into the ranking system for them.

You might not even need directly to ask them questions - just monitor their in-world behaviour and see what things they seem to like (things they like, they will probably mention to friends, and the server sees all communication)

lol- whatever floats your boat!

Quite possibly, so I'll state it outright. I don't have any Premium bot accounts, and my bots don't have Picks. You pay far too much attention to Colette. You should know that she is just a troll, posts unreliable information, and will lead you astray if you give her much credence. I do, however, have a Premium alt that has picks, is also the joint group owner, and pays tier, but that's not the same thing at all.

lol. That ain't gonna happen either.

I do wish you'd make your mind up what our objectives are. I need to know so that I know how to proceed. (whisper: but don't tell the others - it'll give me an edge )

If everyone did exactly the same optimisations, then you'd be right, but everyone doesn't, and everyone never will do, simply because there will always be varying degrees of optimisation knowledge, just as there is on the web.

Sorry? Have we changed the subject? You *are* Sling, aren't you?

We were talking about quality of products at the other end of links.

Once again the assertion has been made that this forum has cliques and that bullying takes place here. I read this forum several times a week and post whenever I feel like it, and have yet to see any evidence of cliques or bullying. Do people really think that cliques of people get together somewhere outside the forum to plot what to post in order to control the discussions? Have people been threatened with harm for what they have posted?

I've seen spirited debates, strongly worded positions, and real disagreement over issues. That constitutes, to my view, an active, functioning arena of public discussion (which is not what this forum is titled...but that's a different story). Agreement does not make a clique. Disagreement does not constitute bullying.

The only way it could happen is maybe retrospectively.(after sales) Maybe creating a ratings system page as an extra tab in EDIT prim or in PROPERTIES of the product.
The ranking options only get activated for selection when ownership has been transferred. (1st event)...if it is a transferrable product in permissions, the options would be greyed out if it were transferred a 2nd time. Also freebie items would have rankings page greyed out if sale=0 lindens. Maybe set a minimum ...10 Lindens set for sale, to activate rankings page.

I can foresee problems though given the millions of transaction that occur.....it could be too much of a load onto the databases into somehow migrating those results back into ALL search rankings.

Then theres inevitable abuse...you could buy your rivals products deliberately just to rank lowly.

I could post you URL's of threads where that has taken place, but i'm not going to stir the hornet's nest on those threads as they are deeply buried now in the archives ...and they are best left there. (IM messages within Forums are very effective you know!)

Your post makes good sense.

I predict that sense will be completely disregarded.

Whatever your objectives are, if they are tied to placing high in Search, the reasioning applies to them.



Right. Thus, it _is_ secret information - if it wasn't, eventually all available optimization knowledge would be pulled together. This also shows the reason you had for not posting your information - because if you did, the level would no longer vary.

Phil isn't obliged providing its legit and not an exploit through an external programme, to reveal knowledge that would lessen his advantage in an already tough trading enviroment.
No RL businesses would do it, why should anyone here? I certainly wouldn't.....and certainly not on this forum. If i passed on such information, it would be in-world to people i want to genuinely help and can trust.

You are quite right he isn't obliged to, but it's been argued in the past that it's wrong for Search resultins to be based on a person's knowledge of secret information. Phil's standard response to that was not secret as it could be found by anyone. However, what Phil agreed with above is that if everyone has the information, it becomes worthless. This makes it reach the category of secret information, regardless of how it can be obtained.

Phil has also claimed that he would have given us the information had he been better treated on the forum, but his agreement with this statement suggests that this is not in fact the case.

No. The search engine would take the data making up the product, and reproduce the processes occuring in a human's brain that result in them liking or not liking it. By doing this it could establish the quality directly. We do not know how to do this yet, but that does not mean we never will.

Go have a look in the texturing and scripting forums. Now imagine those forums were empty of any useful information. That's the kind of environment you're advocating. Is that what you really want SL to be like? No individual is obligated to help their fellow residents or to share their knowledge. We're just lucky that not everyone is so motivated by greed and protectionism.

Correct, but you described something quite specific, which wasn't correct.

Huh? LMAO. I'm not even going to correct that - it's just too ridiculous to bother with.

Try writing something that *isn't* the first thing that pops into your head for change. There's a fair chance that you might actually have given it a moment's thought.

No it hasn't.

Aaw

That's not quite what I said. I said I won't lift a finger to help the nasty people here. If I'd only been an onlooker I would have made the same decision.

Some people may be motivated by those things, but I'm not one of them. Which part of "I've shared the information with 3 of my direct competitiors" suggests that I'm protecting what I know for myself? I'm just not going to help nasty people like you any more. Get over it, and move on.

I described the situation with placement in search. Anything which depends on placement in search continues to depend on placement in search, and thus any discussion of placement in search is relevant to it.



I'm sorry that you don't seem to understand that saying that "the level varies" is the same as saying that some people must have less.

I wasn't talking specifically about you, Phil. You have generously shared some of your knowledge about optimizing for search. You're really the last person who should be chastising anyone else for being nasty in the forums though. That post wasn't even about you and you used it to lob an ad hominem.

Too sci-fi.

Phil,

I think you have forfeited your right to credibly call others nasty by now.

He's so vain he probably thinks these forums are about him.

Sorry. In view of this particular conversation, it read to me as though it was about me - the rest of this particular conversation is, so it's understandable that I would make that mistake.

However, you are one the nasty people in this forum that caused me to make my decisions many months ago, and any nastiness you see from me, which I don't deny, was caused by the nasty people here.

LMAO

Chip is nasty, and you are not?

right.

Do you actually beleive the nonsense you spew out?

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Lets put this a little more realistically.

Chip has had negative things to say to VERY FEW people in the course of the 3+ years I have been involved in these forums.

Phil just happens to be one of them.

You're attempting to link creation of products.....to the marketing part of selling them. There are enough marketing classes in SL to take part in, it will provide you all basic concepts and varying examples of it.

My SL partner is a texture artist and scriptor, she even use to teach Photoshop to beginners.....but there are some scripts she has spent weeks developing that she guards with her life! By your defintion you would have her past on her creations freely to others thus rendering the potential of selling those products useless. <shakes head>

Trying to create a successful business and protecting some secrets that you've discovered....is not greed at all, the same as producing a unique item that has never been seen before-lol

Maybe there are some people that yearn for communism, where everyone is equal and wealth is distributed evenly. Unfortunately i don't see SL going down that route anytime soon!