Are Nazi uniforms considered "offensive"?

Stamp it 100% out, no....you're pulling the usual techie binary logic (1 or 0, and if we can't get it to 1, why try?). But we can drive it so far underground it withers to a few fringe crazies, even moreso than now, where it attracts the societally disillusioned looking for scapegoats.

And it was exactly your kind of person who failed to stand up to evils like the nazis, and via inaction and support of utopian concepts like total free speech (which, BTW, we do not have in the US), made such thing possible. I will support free speech, until they start (as the nazi's did and as current neo-nazi's do) advocating race wars and genocide. At that point, you can have your total free speech (more me, me, mine thought) and I will support the whole of society.

I am not a religious believer, and personally think the would would be better off without religion. So yes. But that is for another thread.

Well at least you stand behind your statist mind control plans.

I do not believe you will find anywhere in my comments that I advocated inaction. I have worked tirelessly here in California for gay rights and marriage equality. Those who are working to repress the rights of gays to marry upset me with their arguments and half truths and sometimes outright lies. If laws came up to surpress their rights to free speech I would fight hard to defend them. At the same time I would continue to work just as hard against them on the political front.

You'd be hard pressed to find any totalitarian regime, Nazi or otherwise, that didn't start their rise to power by suppressing the speech of others. Of course, it was for the common good. Yeah right.

Again, you're pulling the straw man. Inside of textbooks, inside of things like the holocaust museaum, fine. Lest we forget. We are talking jackbooted thugs using the symbols to further hate (in SL, claiming RP and RL claiming free speech), not educating people so that they may remain vigilant and prevent a repeat of history.

While there is a valid societal use for the uniforms and symbols in a MUSEUM or educational setting, there is NO redeeming social value to such things in SL, worn in malls, bars, shops, clubs, etc. That is incitement, pure and simple.

Has society collapsed so much that 'my right to say what I want and now!' takes precidence over others feelings, over community and society. Looks like the ME! generation won.

Sorry, Cieran....I just flat out cannot understand people like you and the other pro-nazi's in this thread. It just comes off as an utter disdain for society and self-centeredness (I demand MY freedom of speech, even if it hurts others, tears down society, results in future death, etc). It is like dealing with space aliens....I do not think of myself first and foremost, that is not an ethical approach, but the posters here seem to put their own desires to the forefront of all, ethics be damned. I just flat out cannot CONCEIVE of supporting nazis for any reason...it just...its inhuman and evil.

Time to get out of this thread and let your kind have it, and hope that your beliefs won't tear down society or result in another conflict, until after I am safely gone.

You have added nothing with your one liners. Develop a coherent argument that takes more than one line (As Cieran and others have done) and come back later, troll.

Very simple Maklin, until a person causes actual harm to another (hurt feelings don't count) it is morally wrong to tell them what they can or cannot say or can or cannot think.

You keep bringing up for the good of society. Who decides this? If society decides that gay men are bad, do we drive Bradley underground?

You want to know how I think? I think that society is always subordinate to the individual, until the individual uses force against an innocent. I do not bow down to society.

I call it the way I see it. If it can be said in one line, there is no need to add any more.

Actually Chris' idea was succinct, and well written. Nothing more needed to be said in response to your statement.

Yep, if we want to go down the black/white draw the hard line path, don't need them. The bible was what Hitler used to base his religous genocide. (Ignoring of course most of the commandments in the process)

On the other hand if we allow propoganda literature advocating mass genocide some would say we should allow literature advocating child molesting too? Which is really worse?

There is literature advocating child molestation. There's even websites. Ever hear of NAMBLA? It's the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Pretty repulsive, huh? As a gay man it disgusts me that people will perceive this kind of thing as normal in the gay community...it's NOT. I think any of those perverted bastards who is caught having sex with an underage male should be locked away. Not only that but since it has been deemed that pedophilia cannot be cured I would advocate locking them up for life, just like murder.

But you know what? I still advocate their right to speak out. Again, not to defend them, but because it defends me. Go ahead and defend why you think sex with minors should be legal. I'll hear your argument. Then I'll tell you what I think you are to your face and the rest of the world.

See? It's really that simple.

Wasn't going to post until I saw this. Put children at risk 'because it defends me'....sociopathic behavior at its finest....there is only Bradley in Bradley's world and to hell with others as long asi it defends him in some way.

SL really does attract the dregs of society....

so if we fight them in a war we should erase their existence because (grand) daddy got shot by charlie?

thats what im reading because WE were in a WAR with THEM is your sole reason for disallowing the uniform ...

nevermind the horrible crimes the Nazi's committed, they should be grouped the same as the Koreans, the VC, the Iraqi, ect?

im sure Gorbachev would appreciate being lumped in the same group as hitler

The thing to do with a vicious book is to refute and discredit it. The thing to do with something that is likely to start a riot is to suppress it as long as that is what it is likely to do.

A book saying Kill Jews! can be dealt with at the level of refuting really bad ideas. A rabble-rouser inflaming a crowd, pointing a finger and shouting Kill That Jew! needs to be dealt with by a cop. With backup.

It so happens, in the real world, Turkey is officially trying to deny the existence of their Armenian near-genocide. Serious scholars and journalists have been put in jail. That's what you finally get to when you embrace censorship. A lot worse result than you get from exposing stuff to sunlight.

In SL, we're talking about idiots dealing in provocation, not ideas. I don't recall anyone trying to hand out notecard pamphlets about Fascist philosophy or links to on-line copies of Mein Kampf. I don't like censoring them, especially because I am confident the populace here would deal with them in short order. But I can see why LL bans their provocational nonsense instead - allowing it would effectively cause a riot in SL. Just look at what happened on this thread.

We don't then have to ban, out of a false idea of consistency, Che t-shirts, or Roman sims because the Romans committed genocide against the Carthaginians, because those things won't start a riot.

Actually most people I meet here are very intelligent and reasonable. Then there are others like you.

I could go on and argue further your preposterous accusations and statements but you really are a complete waste of my time.

Right on. Bradley, I'm liking you more and more.

/me buys you another beer.

Re: Book publishing.... Farenheit 451 anyone?

Welcome to the Selfish, Sociapathic, Nazi Club, Oryx. Drinks on me!

The thing is... look at the big picture, history is an eternal repetition.

No matter what we try on the subject to avoid a repetition of it, it will happen again, actually it is already happening again.

This is a specificity of the human race to have a very short collective memory. Add to this that only the victorious side is writing the history books, there has been countless genocides in the past because we do not consider them as such and that the children of the murderers are those that reap today the fruit of the past bloodsheds.

I can give a few examples, native Americans, the crusades, native Australians, new Zealand, ... the list goes on and on and on...

I'm not saying that there is nothing to do, sure there might be something to do, but doing a witch hunt on the symbols of the past will not protect us from it's repetition, actually it's even the opposite.

What we must do is watch carefully our kings, queens, presidents, administrations or whatever name they give themselves.
Because if something happen, it's through them, we are not a factor of the equation as they have proven it several times.

The human is by nature easy to manipulate and control, and for one enlightened person there are 1000s of "cattle" that will follow whatever is force fed through the media.

Honestly if i see someone dressed in a nazi uniform walk in the street i will probably giggle a little and shrug.

What deeply scare me is what i see on TV, or rather, what our rulers want us to see.

Agreed Kyrah! Look at Our Fearless Leader. He's a Christian, and is rabidly pro-life. In the name of Christ, he's trying to impose his morals upon us. I do believe that Nazis were pretty "Christian" as well....

All the same, Our Leader STILL has the RIGHT to say what he believes. I shouldn't have to follow his doctrine just coz he's Our Leader. That's what Free Speech is all about.

Brad and Oryx - I want to buy you both a beer next time I see you!

I don't think it should be legal at all, I'm just trying to point out possibly badly that there if is some valid points to supressing the promotion of a movement that murdered masses of people and pretending to do it in the name of religion.

Actually, the Nazis were militantly anti-Christian, sent more than a few Catholic priests and Protestant ministers to the concentration camps. They were basically atheist, when they weren't toying with reviving Viking mythology as being authentically "Aryan"...

Mythology and religion is more or less the same thing -_-

Why yes, they are, on one level. Greco-Roman mythology was mostly the ancients' equivalent of Judaeo-Christian "Bible stories," but about the doings of their various gods and goddesses. Similarly Norse mythology. And the Hindu texts have some mighty remarkable stories to tell. But that is on what you might think of as the "popular" level, if you will. Stories from which unsophisticated believers can draw inspiration and life lessons. The real heart of religion is spiritual enlightenment or experience, which is experienced individually and can't be retailed in "stories," and is something quite different.

Yes Nazi symbols and unifrorms are offensive to the entire population of the Earth. The only exceptions are the Nazis themselves who took great pride in their display of genetic damaged persons (themselves). But who am I to critisize a group who were proud of their barely functioning brains?