Are Nazi uniforms considered "offensive"?

Nah, I was asking a question, nothing more. If you read anything into what I want out of that, you're reading too much into it. That said, it's still a pretty big grey area. What may be glorifying to one person may not be to another.



I'm uncomfortable advocating violence based on what a person is wearing, which Alicia seems to be fine with. If your standards are more complex, good for you, and that makes me more comfortable.




Again, you're reading things into what I said that weren't there.

I'm all for stamping out real Nazis. It was a brutal destructive, close minded, xenophobic, cruel, inhumane regime and it should not be idolized. Those who do so are flaming idiots.

But trying to pretend it didn't exist doesn't stomp it out. Throwing fits and threatening death on people on the forums doesn't stamp it out. I know, I know, there are more complex issues - intent, and so forth. Granted. But shades of grey are tough to deal with, and nobody seems to agree on the same shades. So I refuse to accept censorship of objects, of thoughts, of words or images. If you want to stamp it out - do it. Argue with the neo nazis down in Indiana. Work to keep them out of power. I'm behind stuff like that 100%.

But lay off the censorship. I'll never be behind that, for any cause.



I've read the thread, thank you. And I've read every other thread on this forum about this topic. There hasn't been anything new brought up in this thread. Just a lot more threats of violence and admissions of murder.

Depends on what you mean by "fair game". If you mean shunning, banning and refusing to associate, hell even mocking them in open chat, sure that is how these things should be handled.

If you mean your proclivity to use weapons against them in safe areas, no not just no but hell no.

I think it's safe to say that Nazi uniforms would be used for griefing.

Despite what others may take from my previous posts, I think it's a good idea to restrict Nazi uniforms from SL. It's too easy for griefers to upset a large number of people too easily.

I also think they should be restricted because of the arguments you see happening here. I think it's safe to say that Alicia and I neither support Nazi's at all. I think they are vile and idiotic individuals. She and I just approach the issue from different...VERY DIFFERENT...ways. It's way to hard to delve into this issue without getting too much emotion into it.

Because it is completely impossible for LL to police the entire grid to ensure that Nazi uniforms are only used for proper RP and because I don't think they have they manpower to deal with the public relations and customer service issues that would result, I think they are very smart for banning Nazi symbols in LL. I base that on a sound business decision, though, and nothing else.

So I'm a Nazi now?

Last I checked they killed my kind.

Or is it easier to call me a Nazi than to dispute the things I've said?

Alicia, I have really tried to be nice. But you need to take a xanax.

Well at least you can hold your liquor.

I'm wearing my pumpkin head.... you can hate ME!!!!

Bradley, if I were to ever make it to LA, I would buy you a beer.

Of course they would! It would take an idiot think they wouldn't be, and I'm not an idiot, no matter what some in this thread would like to think.

But so are guns in SL. We haven't banned guns. So are confederate flags, but we haven't banned them. Heck, the single most used thing for griefing at the moment seems to be a picture of Michelangelo, and we haven't banned Ninja Turtles.

I refuse to legislate by what the worst possible use for a thing is.



From a business standpoint, it makes perfect sense (Albeit, as I said, it's unfairly applied and ultimately unenforceable). It doesn't mean I agree with it in an abstract sense.

I'll need a few drinks first.

Have you lost all leave of your senses?

That's how it starts............

since joining in sl i`ve been burned every time i was being nice, that ended 4 days ago when i just had enough of being nice as my head exploded by the crap that was thrown out at me for the past 5 months wich only costed me money

no more, saying what i think and what i`ve said so far is what i think, idiots are idiots and i`ll treat them as idiots, i`m done with this bs game of saying *this* but meaning "this"and the goddamn mind games that come along with it, i`m done with this shit

I'm pretty easy. It doesn't take alcohol to take advantage of me.

Alicia. This is obviously an issue that you have a lot of passion about. I think people grasp your point, but are looking at it a little more objectively than you and are saying that what the Nazis did was pretty horrible and that we should not be like them and condemn the wholesale slaughter of people with whom we disagree.

I'm quite sure you don't honestly support mass murder of the type you are advocating. We've talked enough in-world for me to have a feel for the type of person you are, and this is not representative of the person I know. Maybe take a step back and take a look at this like someone else would - someone without your perspective. You're not making your argument as strongly as Har is making it, and you have a very valid argument to make.

As for the rest of us, we need to realize that the display of Nazi symbology is something that some people find to be deeply, deeply painful in a way that we can't understand if we do not have first hand experience with it. We can all agree that the Nazis did horrific things, but without that personal connection, we can't understand the pain. There's a point where our rights to RP or our rights to express ourselves in a privately owned place such as SL should take a back seat to something as hurtful as this. I will not ever advocate governmental censorship, because it is the first step towards tyranny, but Sl is privately owned, and LL has the right to attempt to prevent the exacerbation of deep seated pain of it's residents and to control the content of its product.

Dang, you ARE a slut!

Couple of people have made this point. I did not read Alicia or anyone else as advocating "blanking" or "forgetting." Certainly I don't - which is part of my brief against censorship. On the contrary, I think above all: Never Forget; Never Again. They go hand in hand.

#1 Person saving the world from nazis: "Lets orbit all Nazi sympathisers in SL"

#2 Person saving the world from nazis: "Naw lets hit them all in RL with blunt objects"

#1 Person saving the world from nazis: "That's too good for them, lets hang them all"

#2 Person saving the world from nazis: "Why not shoot them, that would be quicker ?"

#1 Person saving the world from nazis: "Oh that's too slow. Lets round them up and put them in a camp where we can teach them the errors in their thinking"

I could hardly believe what I read on this thread. People advocating and celebrating violence against people based on their (misguided) beliefs. The nazi beliefs are abhorent. Your "solutions" are worse.

Cherry was right. This should have ended at post 2

need a clue? here`s a clue?

their solution would be to whipe out 80-90% of the population

I reworded my post. I didn't mean to sound condescending.

i asked that in concierge chat after my first reply but they don`t give a shit as usual

I can do it:

Having read through this thread I wish I hadn't eaten that mushroom omelette.

I could not agree with you more if I tried.

I have actually found some of the very violent posts in this thread more disturbing, worrying and upsetting then seeing someone running around in a Nazi uniform on a computer game. I am sorry if that makes me UN-PC...whilst I abhor anything that is associated to Nazism, I still cant take the stance that because I feel that way, everyone else should.

well it worked on the other thread.....