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Are Nazi uniforms considered "offensive"?

Chris Norse
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10-31-2007 13:56
From: Alicia Sautereau
he comes near me and not only i will kill him but the entire family will jump on and knowing our neighberhood, not even the police will help him 1 tiny bit



Alicia, chill. It was a reference to another thread joking about going to prison.
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10-31-2007 13:56
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Reitsuki Kojima
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10-31-2007 13:57
From: Alicia Sautereau
he comes near me and not only i will kill him but the entire family will jump on and knowing our neighberhood, not even the police will help him 1 tiny bit


Good to know that you and yours will murder someone in cold blood for displaying a religious symbol for good health.
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Tiana Whitfield
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10-31-2007 13:58
I just found this:

"In Buddhism, the swastika signifies auspiciousness and good fortune as well as the Buddha's footprints and the Buddha's heart. The swastika is said to contain the whole mind of the Buddha and can often be found imprinted on the chest, feet or palms of Buddha images. It is also the first of the 65 auspicious symbols on the footprint of the Buddha."

http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/swastika.htm

Hardly worth killing the poor man over :(
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10-31-2007 13:58
From: Alicia Sautereau
this is offensive

nazi shit u get thrown in jail for or worse...
not to mention banned


You are correct, Alicia, I do find that offensive. More offensive than nazi uniforms in SL as a matter of fact. Why? Because it is directed at people. I presume myself and others.

Nazi uniforms in RL are not directed at anyone. It is historical accuracy that it DID indeed happen. Taking away the imagery wont change that. Therefore, nazi uniforms in RP are not offensive. Nazi uniforms used in the way you have done with your fingers are offensive.

Your response here does show an excellent example of why LL has chosen the nazi symbol as one of the few images they have decided to ban. Who could blame them for not wanting to get into this kind of mess?
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10-31-2007 14:00
From: Alicia Sautereau
nazi shit u get thrown in jail for or worse...


Not last time I checked, actually. Happily, I do not live in Germany.
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10-31-2007 14:00
From: Chris Norse
Alicia, chill. It was a reference to another thread joking about going to prison.

i won`t chill untill it gets deleted as requested and abouve is what will happen, my entire neighberhood will kill any nazi stupid enough to come here and the cops are smart enough not to interfear as who ever is THAT stupid deserves it, happend befor and will happen again, kill them all by beating, bullet is showing weakness and hang their corps to rot to make an example
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10-31-2007 14:01
On April 6, 1933, the German Student Association's Main Office for Press and Propaganda proclaimed a nationwide “Action against the Un-German Spirit,”

On May 10th they burned upwards of 25,000 volumes of “un-German” books, contributing to the roll towards state censorship and media control.


I find any glorification of Nazism offensive given what they represent. I also find any knee jerk censorship offensive for the reason that repressing, destroying knowledge particularly knowledge of history has never been a solution to a better world.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_deaths_and_atrocities_of_the_twentieth_century

While we are at it why not ban the hammer and sickle symbol ? That represents regimes that caused an estimated 60 million deaths last century ? Or the British union jack for their contribution to the half million civilian deaths in the partition of India ?

Censorship is a very blunt tool and must be used with the utmost care. That said of course LL can do what they like as long as it is legal.
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10-31-2007 14:02
From: Alicia Sautereau
i won`t chill untill it gets deleted as requested and abouve is what will happen, my entire neighberhood will kill any nazi stupid enough to come here and the cops are smart enough not to interfear as who ever is THAT stupid deserves it, happend befor and will happen again, kill them all by beating, bullet is showing weakness and hang their corps to rot to make an example


Where in the hell has it been stated that I am a nazi?
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10-31-2007 14:03
/me applauds Finora
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Reitsuki Kojima
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10-31-2007 14:03
From: Alicia Sautereau
i won`t chill untill it gets deleted as requested and abouve is what will happen, my entire neighberhood will kill any nazi stupid enough to come here and the cops are smart enough not to interfear as who ever is THAT stupid deserves it, happend befor and will happen again, kill them all by beating, bullet is showing weakness and hang their corps to rot to make an example


Unless what gets deleted, oh one-who-has-admitted-to-knowledge-of-a-murder?
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10-31-2007 14:04
From: Bradley Bracken
You are correct, Alicia, I do find that offensive. More offensive than nazi uniforms in SL as a matter of fact. Why? Because it is directed at people. I presume myself and others.

Nazi uniforms in RL are not directed at anyone. It is historical accuracy that it DID indeed happen. Taking away the imagery wont change that. Therefore, nazi uniforms in RP are not offensive. Nazi uniforms used in the way you have done with your fingers are offensive.

Your response here does show an excellent example of why LL has chosen the nazi symbol as one of the few images they have decided to ban. Who could blame them for not wanting to get into this kind of mess?

but u forget that the lil shitheads won`t be roleplaying in here or stand as a model, they will wander around the grid spreading this shit as they`re f`ing griefers who will wear this and "roleplay" as an excuse with everyone who hate the f`ers instead with their counterpart

this isn`t an FPS, this isn`t a museaum, this is SL and u all know what will happen...

now where are the goddamn mods to end this bullshit
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10-31-2007 14:04
From: Finora Kuncoro
Censorship is a very blunt tool and must be used with the utmost care. That said of course LL can do what they like as long as it is legal.


I prefer "Censorship is a very blunt tool and must never be used"
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10-31-2007 14:05
From: Tiana Whitfield
"In Buddhism, the swastika signifies auspiciousness and good fortune as well as the Buddha's footprints and the Buddha's heart. The swastika is said to contain the whole mind of the Buddha and can often be found imprinted on the chest, feet or palms of Buddha images. It is also the first of the 65 auspicious symbols on the footprint of the Buddha."

I'm sure it does when it's left-facing and not right-facing like the one used by the Nazis. It's also turned by 45 degrees.
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10-31-2007 14:06
But it's okay to dress up as a US Cavalry soldier?
The same ones the ran down innocent women and children in places like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?
The same ones who traded smallpox-infested blankets to the Kiowa, Cheyenne and Sac and Fox?
It's okay to dress like a cossack? The ones who burned and killed countless russian peasants?
What about a member of the Golden Horde - the most murderous killing machine the world has ever known, if you want to crunch percentages?

I'm not defending Nazis...I'm just wondering why THEIR clothing is any more offensive than any other butcher's gear.
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10-31-2007 14:06
From: Alicia Sautereau
but u forget that the lil shitheads won`t be roleplaying in here or stand as a model, they will wander around the grid spreading this shit as they`re f`ing griefers who will wear this and "roleplay" as an excuse with everyone who hate the f`ers instead with their counterpart

this isn`t an FPS, this isn`t a museaum, this is SL and u all know what will happen...

now where are the goddamn mods to end this bullshit


What bullshit? You're the one being rude to everyone, you are the one making death threats, claiming your kin have murdered people in the past and will do so again, etc...

And FYI? A lot of the very early groups that ran up against the Linden Censor? They WERE role players.
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10-31-2007 14:07
From: Slack Zapedzki
I'm sure it does when it's left-facing and not right-facing like the one used by the Nazis.


I don't know, in all honesty I am not educated in Buddhism, I was just trying to save a mans life!! :( The cops don't do nothing now a days :(
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10-31-2007 14:07
I know we have gone way off topic and this will be lock very soon, but the best way to prevent something as horrible as what happened from happening again is for people to know and remember what happened. Ignoring and pretending the past didn't happen will only lead to a repeat of history.

Also, where does one persons freedom of expression end?
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10-31-2007 14:07

Plz?
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10-31-2007 14:07
From: Alicia Sautereau
now where are the goddamn mods to end this bullshit


I have looked through the entire thread and haven't seen anything remotely offensive except perhaps your picture. But we've had people say "fuck you" in the forums before and not had them closed.

Do you AR every thread that you disagree with?
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10-31-2007 14:08
From: Argent Asbrink
But it's okay to dress up as a US Cavalry soldier?


I dressed up as a confederate soldier for Halloween in-world this year...

From: Argent Asbrink
I'm not defending Nazis...I'm just wondering why THEIR clothing is any more offensive than any other butcher's gear.


Were you under some impression that Linden Lab had anything at all against arbitrary, nonsensical, unfairly applied, and unenforceable rules?
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10-31-2007 14:10
From: Bradley Bracken
I have looked through the entire thread and haven't seen anything remotely offensive except perhaps your picture. But we've had people say "fuck you" in the forums before and not had them closed.

Do you AR every thread that you disagree with?


When one has made death threats and admitted her family has murdered people in the past and are willing to do so again, there's really a very limited amount of ways to leave a thread gracefully.

That was, admittedly, not one of them.
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10-31-2007 14:10
From: Reitsuki Kojima

Were you under some impression that Linden Lab had anything at all against arbitrary, nonsensical, unfairly applied, and unenforceable rules?

Actually, it falls under the broadly offensive rule they have.
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10-31-2007 14:11
From: Michal Milosz

Plz?

Is that a KKK clansman dressed up for Halloween?
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10-31-2007 14:12
From: Dnate Mars
Actually, it falls under the broadly offensive rule they have.


Please reference "arbitrary, nonsensical, unfairly applied, and unenforceable".
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