Are Nazi uniforms considered "offensive"?

LL isn't going to crack down on things because they are illegal in Germany huh?

Are we talking about the FBI or about LL? You said FBI before. Sure LL will. Because they wanna place nicey-nice because a lot of Germans give them a lot of money and they don't wanna make a fuss or risk that money.

If LL told them to piss off, though, the worst that would happen is that they wouldn't be officially allowed to do business in Germany. Germany could not reach across the Atlantic and force them to comply. Yet. Thankfully.

I was thinking about Gambling tbh. I'm fried. My brain is not firing properly. I did too much of that thinking stuff.

To explain, working in online gaming, the various countries laws inter-relate and as I've been working some insane hours this week I think I am partly in work mode still. My point stands I think tho ... to take the point, there is a very high level of German interest and investment in SL right now and I wouldn't be too sure that there are not finer legal points which will start to come to bear.

As to laws in the UK - fraid that isn't quite true that UK law does not affect LL at all. They have a base in Brighton now after all. The company I work for has the head office a few streets away from Linden but their business practices must comply with local laws too.

Bed! bed bed bed. This is all Brenda's fault anyway!

Either everyone's extra-special ornery cause its Halloween, or this thread has timewarped back to the forums circa 2005.

Reality Check: If you haven't sold your point to those that disagree with you by page 15, you're not going to sell it by page 30 either.

/rubs bleeding eyes & goes back to bed

ok you psuedo intellectuals enough is enough wanna debate semantics then go ahead but to condone what the post was about in the first place only shows what humans are mostly are idiots nothing more so go ahead and debate what morality structure your society comes from and condone allowing that person to make profit in sl from nazi related clothing that anyone can buy and wear, and feel smug in the knowledge that you have let another person do exactly what our forefathers said we shouldn't do and that was never forget and allow these ppl fall under the radar, if it was for purely non profit and museum.educational purpose yes then go ahead as long as its condonded by lindens but if not then BAN HIS ASS as he is creating fuel for fire that is wrong and is seen in my country any way as tools of race hate crime what that person is doing. so go ahead rip my arguement apart with your intelectual musings and banal arguements,ppl asked for this post to be stopped and it hasn't i. this is the first time i have posted on the forums but after seeing what passes for brains here i think it will be my last,neo nazism and race hate crimes are on the increase in europe so go ahead mock laugh,but it will come and bite you on the ass when a minority group sees or hears of this crap being posted here and uses at LL as a baseball bat to gain attention in america.and with this place getting bigger and bigger its getting more and more noticed they will do that,so if we don't act against this type of crap for our own good then we have no one else to blame but ourselves cuz we didnt speak against it and when we get our asses handed to us on a plate cuz of idiots who can't think in the wider terms that free speech has responsibilties as well not as a tool to do what you want even the american courts know that ffs! so lets be grown ups and read the tos and act against that type of crap and get on with cybering and ban his ass before the world notices us and shuts us down cuz of idiots like that.

Go to bed. My point still stands though, I think Yes, because of how LL spread out, UK laws do effect them... but IIRC, UK laws on nazi symbology are fairly lax, particularly compared to Germany. Excepting that there are a lot of high-profile German customers, LL has no particular obligation to obey German laws legally as far as I know.

Which is why they occasionally may cater to them, but not to, say... laws requiring all females to cover their faces when in public. I guess.

I haven't had a really good brick wall to fight against since the forums closed, Travis. I've missed this.

Eh, I have a question that may be considered stupid (treat me like a newbie, I've returned after two years of inactivity):
Are Nazi uniforms considered offensive? I'm attempting to adapt WW2 German uniforms from Return To Castle Wolfenstein and I wanted to be sure how far do I have to go with "modifying" them - as we had some major media fuss in Poland regarding the tailoring and sale of RL Nazi uniforms.
So, do they have to be "German Wolfenstein version", or "worldwide, bigger, longer, uncut and with swastikas on"?

im surprised someone from poland would need to ask this.
yes, i reckon you should go with the 'greman safe' version.
also, if your modifying pk3 textures you may want to peek into a wad from half-life 'day of defeat'. they are great examples of a nazi uniform that isnt exactly nazi.

See, I just, really, really don't get the logic.
.........It's just cute, "kid style" profanity. You think your darling little angle doesn't know /exactly/ the word he is skirting his way around?

But it's okay to dress up as a US Cavalry soldier?
The same ones the ran down innocent women and children in places like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?
The same ones who traded smallpox-infested blankets to the Kiowa, Cheyenne and Sac and Fox?
It's okay to dress like a cossack? The ones who burned and killed countless russian peasants?
What about a member of the Golden Horde - the most murderous killing machine the world has ever known, if you want to crunch percentages?

I'm not defending Nazis...I'm just wondering why THEIR clothing is any more offensive than any other butcher's gear.

Exactly.

BUT, like the rest of Histories Dirtiest Moments, we shall bury all memories/photos/depictions/references to it.

Can't wait till 40 years in the future just to see how we change for the Iraq War.

It is called a shift key, it makes some letters bigger than the others. Also there are things called paragraphs. Really they are useful if you want people to read what you write.

Alicia. This is obviously an issue that you have a lot of passion about. I think people grasp your point, but are looking at it a little more objectively than you and are saying that what the Nazis did was pretty horrible and that we should not be like them and condemn the wholesale slaughter of people with whom we disagree.

I'm quite sure you don't honestly support mass murder of the type you are advocating. We've talked enough in-world for me to have a feel for the type of person you are, and this is not representative of the person I know. Maybe take a step back and take a look at this like someone else would - someone without your perspective. You're not making your argument as strongly as Har is making it, and you have a very valid argument to make.

As for the rest of us, we need to realize that the display of Nazi symbology is something that some people find to be deeply, deeply painful in a way that we can't understand if we do not have first hand experience with it. We can all agree that the Nazis did horrific things, but without that personal connection, we can't understand the pain. There's a point where our rights to RP or our rights to express ourselves in a privately owned place such as SL should take a back seat to something as hurtful as this. I will not ever advocate governmental censorship, because it is the first step towards tyranny, but Sl is privately owned, and LL has the right to attempt to prevent the exacerbation of deep seated pain of it's residents and to control the content of its product.

But let me ask you guys one thing. How would you personaly feel if you would have relatives which got murdered by the KKK if then someone would start walking around in SL in KKK clothes and burning Crosses and as much starts harrasing or claiming this to be "Roleplaying"? I am very sure you would be pissed too and file an AR Report.

And just to make it clear. This is not a American Bashing at all. I just compare the sides.

I'm begining to like you and I don't much like anyone. You're straight and to the point saying what you feel which doesn't happen much in these forums. Most say what they think others want to hear and see.

I have a lot more respect for people who speak their minds regardless of their views.

And I agree with this post 100%.

So what's next, to all the people who think this is an over reaction-
Do you think a KKK clan outfit would be OK- for a costume?
How well do you think that would be received?

So what's next, to all the people who think this is an over reaction-
Do you think a KKK clan outfit would be OK- for a costume?
How well do you think that would be received?

it will come and bite you on the ass when a minority group sees or hears of this crap being posted here and uses at LL as a baseball bat to gain attention in america.and with this place getting bigger and bigger its getting more and more noticed they will do that,so if we don't act against this type of crap for our own good then we have no one else to blame but ourselves cuz we didnt speak against it and when we get our asses handed to us on a plate cuz of idiots who can't think in the wider terms that free speech

I can't believe it. I keep telling myself to stay away, stay away

Sweeping them under the rug doesn't make them go away