Why Dance in SL? A Sad Commentary on Life.

I was there for quite a long time with Ceka today, and I heard several convo's. Granted you had to follow between lots of noise and nonsense cause it's a crowded place. And yes we were in IM's and no, there is no way I'm gonna try to have a convo in open chat in a place like that.



Not necessarily, but back in the old days, there were fewer people and so someone arriving somewhere mighta been a bigger deal. You just gotta stop expecting everyone to be bowled over by your very presence and send some IMs of your own. Not every one you send is gonna get a response though, and a lack of response does not make the person a bot.

Again, I don't voice in open, I voice through IMs. So there's no way you gonna hear that.

What are they being lured to that they would need bots? did you see a mall or adds all over the club?
there was one dj and some people hanging around him..
no mall there no venders .nothing that would make someone want to use bots to gain anything..those things are in the other sims..separate from the club entirely..when you port there the first thing you see at the intersection is the club it's the closest thing to the intersection..
the ones you thought were bots before were from another club..you would have known that if you had took the time to read their profile..

where you were standing may have been in the middle of the dance floor..gesture spam hell ...i was in my spot off to the side listening to general chat conversations..Also IMing the dj's and friends i know there..guess what ..they all answered me..

i'm not gonna post logs of people to prove you are wrong about bots in there..

i'm just gonna say ya i guess you missed the memo of how a lot of people communicate in places like that..there are a lot of clubs with bots..but you are barking up the wrong tree with this one..

i'm heading there now in fact..

here is a clue..bots do not teleport to a sim then walk 80 meters to a dance floor..traffic went from 30's to 60 and you didn't see them walking in?

stand at the teleport ..there is always people porting in..
a club that would need bots uses them not one that doesn't..

Also GOL has voice off because of griefers from the past..

If I run into someone who looks interesting, I'll chat with them in local. In fact I saw someone with a Pink Panther avatar and told them they had a great avatar, and we ended up talking in local for quite a while.

Too bad more people don't do this.

I refuse to do voice. It feels awkward and half the time I can't hear what people are saying anyway.

When I'm DJing at any club, I always try to get people to converse. In fact, if you're at Dark Bliss and spamming with gestures I'll ask you to stop (in IM) and if you don't I'll give you the boot. When I'm dancing I like to talk to people, whether I'm friends with them, or just meeting them.

Second Life is a glorified chat room, so there is no reason NOT to chat in local to people.

Treasure, You know I dont think it really matters what I say or type. You "came at me" because I touched a nerve I guess.
I still can see the point of dancing in sl: I honestly can't. But if you like it, so be it.
Enjoy yourself.

It's more common to do that in the smaller clubs because not much else is going on but the people showing up for an event..But when you get in places that have 60 to 80 people in them and big traffic all day and night long not showing up for an event but because it is their hang out..Then there is a lot of underground socializing going on..

Cliques in their groups talking and all kinds of other things.,IM's come in so much it's hard to watch general chat let alone talk in it hehehehe

It's night and day compared to where people show up to an event and are there for an hour or two..

Where it may be ok to kick someone that shows up to an event spamming.. It wouldn't be ok to kick a long time customer for showing up dropping some gestures..The drama that would bring would be nuts..

Since we have two threads for the price of one....hehe. This is in response to Anya's comments and others.

I own a club (jazz) and have been DJing in SL for two years (rock, blues and jazz.) I've worked in a number of clubs and been to countless others. There are a lot of variables to consider in this, some have been covered and some have not. We're talking about clubs as if they are all the same, and their sole purpose is to socialize and dance and meet people. There are clubs that are more about the music than anything. My club is one of those. People come to The Savoy to listen to jazz or blues AND to socialize, but for many the music is paramount. I can be one of those people myself, even while I'm working. When a great piece of music is playing, sometimes it requires attention. In other words, sometimes when Coltrane is playing, I'm not paying attention to chat...lol.

Tonight we had a good crowd of almost thirty people and the chat in local was quite busy, but some nights that may not be true. In fact, even tonight, there were periods when local was quite dead. That may have been a period when some sexy and romantic tunes were playing and people were.....busy. We have hosts and I don't have a lot of rules, but one is greet everyone that enters the club and make them all feel at home, and I think we do a good job of that.

Right now I have an alt at Seventh Element and I"m sure there are not bots here. I've been here before and never got that impression. Bots don't usually hit on me. The only time I've run into bots at clubs is when I'm just searching and looking around. I"m always wary of clubs that have like 50 or more people there, but some are legitimate I suppose.

I totally lost my train of thought....too tired. I will post tomorrow if the rest of my brain shows up.

I didn't see Treasure's responses that way at ALL.

Treasure had a treasure trove of wisdom to offer you on the experiences of the people you seemed to disrespect in this thread. Too bad all you can focus on is your own hurt feelings and your bacon sandwich.

You're saying that you do this on purpose to "stir up the responders" enough so that you're disliked intensely. I would say that you've been successful in that. But now you're upset by that?

I think a better way would be to ask a simple question without adding a judgment to it. You'll also get answers to your actual questions that are meaningful instead of having to defend yourself against the onslaught and having your point lost in the shuffle.

I'm gonna have to stop in yours soon...i am always looking for good places to go.
it sounds very enjoyable.

do so Ceka! especially when Cri is Djing. The Savoy is an awesome place.

I love 7E precisely *because* it isn't so chatty. I don't go to clubs to chat. I go to dance (and I do like watching dancing, why do people buy ballet tix otherwise!?) and to hear the music.

Last time, though, they were allowing too many WOOTs and that stupid ASCII wolf, over and over...it drove me nuts and I left. I hate that stuff...

Give me a nice quiet club any time. I don't think the people there are bots, I watch them come and go, and also chat to each other sometimes.

Those dance floors incongruously in the middle of a shop or middle of nowhere, with no DJ, no staff, just people line dancing, and not a single person responds to hello...THOSE are likely bots.

TY Maggie!

Not because we want to, because we can

I get a kick out of watching my av do things like scrub laundry on a wash board, or eat a bag of Doritos, or have a whiskey sour. All things I would never or would rarely do in real life. But to watch the av do them is amusing.

It's reason enough, I think.

Lol - "seemed to disrespect"? When have I actually disrespected anyone? What have I actually types that is disrespectful? You really are reading into what I type WAY too much. And no, I am not offended or hurt. I guess its the way we express ourselves and how its "read" by others.
Okay, I am NOT a sycophant and I dont "gush" with humour and friendship. I don't respect someone simply because I am told to. I don't do a lot of the things in sl others do. We all do our own thing.
It has been interesting to read the impact of dance on people in sl - yet interesting for me to contrast the lack of dancing in real situations. So many people "sit out" dances in real or dance with a same-sex girlfriend. Here, however, people claim its a great way to meet others.
So why is that? Does shyness play a role in real? Does physical inability have am impact? Ill-health? Weight issues? Partners? Time? Cost? Types of music? People who are reactionary here dance here BUT never dance in real - why?
What heppens to youth to stop them dancing when they "pass the Rubicon" of 25?
These are kinda thing I was interested in but I got "jumped" - so I guess it's all of the above reasons.
So I am not sure Treasure can offer me anything anymore than I can offer her. I dont know Treasure and she doesnt know me. How can you judge her knowledge to be a "trove of wisdom" when you have no real way to know that? And how do you judge me to be stupid or lacking in wisdom? Maybe I know a lot more than you can judge. You really never will know, will you?

Jig, a good part part of your charm is that you don't seem to respect anyone or anything.

The Savoy IS awesome . . . if you are talking about the one in Virtual Harlem? But the biggest drawback is that it was nearly always deserted when I went there. I haven't been in more than a month: is it a bit more crowded now?

You were jumped because you were condescending and did not pose questions for an intelligent discussion but instead laid out bait like a troll looking for flames. No i do not think you are a troll. I just think you had the totally wrong idea on how to 'spark conversation'.

A discussion among intelligent beings does not require a spark, but a topic - no bait needed, no inflammatory juxtapositions or anything.

Next time just ask the questions and end it with "lets discuss this" or something.

I've wondered about that, too, publicly. Last night I figured it out. I had heard of DJs using bots or alts to make themselves look popular, and hosts using bots to pep things up for their shift, but never looked for evidence of it. Until last night.

The two names I gave you yesterday? You said they were from another club, but they were there cheering the DJ and spewing random things into chat. I didn't think much about it until I came back later, though.

You were there at 22:00 for the change in DJs. Did you see what happened? All of the chat spammers left. All of them. The conversation died completely for 18 minutes, until someone threw the Spanish switch. Boom! All chat is now in Spanish. All of it. With all-new participants. Remember my original post about this club?

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/602439-post23.html

Note who tips the DJ prior to the Spanish invasion. Yep, the chat spammers.



Where I was standing the DJ was within chat range and so was the line of four dancing, gibberish-spewing avatars with identical skins right next to you at the door. That's why I chose the spot. Pretty much the whole place is within chat range.



I logged three hours of chat. There was not a single conversational exchange prior to the Spanish exchange. Not. A. Single. One. There were 29 participants prior to 22:00 and most of the chat came from about seven of them. There was not a single cogent thought expressed in chat except Howard's asking if the Europeans were switching to DST tonight. In August There were 11 completely new participants in chat after 22:00. I crashed at 22:57.

Now I don't think they were all bots and alts. I think some of them were people who parked their avatars to dance, because that's how they convince themselves they're doing something social. That was my first comment in this thread.

Not a single conversational exchange in open chat in two hours. Not a single one.



I saw you pop in and greet the crowd. How'd that work for you?

I think this post epitomises why anybody that takes Jig seriously is making a big mistake wasting their time.

Pep (I keep returning to my point of criticising the way posters present their opinions inadequately)

I read your post and there are a couple problems with your approach. In a crowded place where everybody is gesturbating, nobody is gonna notice your comments in open chat about IM'ing you in between all the nonsense. If you did it while I was there, I certainly didn't notice. Secondly, not everybody is gonna play your little game for a piddling 50L, even if they did see that you said that.