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Darien Caldwell
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07-21-2009 08:29
Angel and Briana, Can we have at least one thread where you two don't turn it into an 'all about your little tiff' thread? There are larger, more important issues. Go fight it out in IMs, please.
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07-21-2009 08:31
From: Pserendipity Daniels
QED. Found guilty by your (or might you say you're? :rolleyes: ) own hand.

Pep (The sad thing is, you probably don't appreciate unintentional irony. :p )


I didn't see your input on the original topic.
Briana Dawson
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07-21-2009 08:37
From: Darien Caldwell
Angel and Briana, Can we have at least one thread where you two don't turn it into an 'all about your little tiff' thread? There are larger, more important issues. Go fight it out in IMs, please.


Uh, address the person who Trolled into the thread please, k thx.

I will defend myself at all times. As would most people.

Nice exaggeration "at least one thread"???

Whatever.
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Loki Ball
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07-21-2009 08:37
From: Darien Caldwell
Angel and Briana, Can we have at least one thread where you two don't turn it into an 'all about your little tiff' thread? There are larger, more important issues. Go fight it out in IMs, please.


I couldn't agree with you more. There is a seriousness to this subject that has seemed to bypass several peoples minds.

Anytime a tool is "placed" into the hands of laymen in SL making it easier to copy items is a bad day for content creators.

Its always been simple for "some" to copy things but making a simple user friendly tool for the masses is just in bad taste.

I think everyones entitled to their own opinion about it, but apparently anything that could be discussed is out the window on personal grievances much like any other forum.

My final word on this particular topic is that I hope LL looks at this new version of a copying tool and rezzables reconsiders its idea to release it in its present form.
Angel Leviathan
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07-21-2009 08:38
From: Briana Dawson
Not OTHERS, only you.

You were suspended 4 times for harassing me.

*wave*


This is not true. If you have any proof post it, otherwise SHADDUP with yer big mouth.
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07-21-2009 08:52
From: Loki Ball
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Anytime a tool is "placed" into the hands of laymen in SL making it easier to copy items is a bad day for content creators.

Its always been simple for "some" to copy things but making a simple user friendly tool for the masses is just in bad taste.



Ok, I see your angle now. You are a "CREATOR" and the rest of us are just unwashed masses. Glad to know that.
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Briana Dawson
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07-21-2009 08:57
From: Chris Norse
You are a "CREATOR" and the rest of us are just unwashed masses. Glad to know that.

HEY! It is only 11am! I still have plenty of time to wash!
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Jax Wrydan
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07-21-2009 09:03
From: Briana Dawson
HEY! It is only 11am! I still have plenty of time to wash!

I like you natural better baby. :)
Loki Ball
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07-21-2009 09:03
From: Chris Norse
Ok, I see your angle now. You are a "CREATOR" and the rest of us are just unwashed masses. Glad to know that.


No not an angle, just a point that not everyone knows how to copy items by modifying an opensource viewer or various other ways to copy items in SL. You don't have to be a creator to know those things or not know those things. My comments were written as they were intended. Putting a device like this into the hands of laymen who don't know how to copy things in other ways is a bad thing. It completely simplifies copying to where anyone can do it. That's all.
Eli Schlegal
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07-21-2009 09:09
How did I get on SLU? I thought I logged into the Official SL Forums. Hmm....
Marcush Nemeth
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07-21-2009 09:11
From: Tali Rosca
They will never be able to grab scripts unless they flat out hack the Linden sim servers. The point is, a bot can copy whatever it sees, since the data is sent to the client for exactly that reason: Allowing the client to build a local model. Builderbot, copybot, whateverbot is just a client logging in and getting the data sent by the sim.
Script source is never sent that way; it runs entirely in the sim.
They could code a bot which specifically request to download the script source, but that would require login, and be controlled by the sim's permission system, so they could only fetch their own scripts back.

Did you investigate This new mono feature recently? It's point is exactly to make scripts run client side instead of server side. It's going to be pretty hard to reverse engineer it, but what's in your computers' memory is up for grabs to anyone with the proper know how (thank god, there seem to be less and less brilliant C and Assembly coders these days!)
Briana Dawson
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07-21-2009 09:24
From: Marcush Nemeth
Did you investigate This new mono feature recently? It's point is exactly to make scripts run client side instead of server side.


Wow, that seems extremely unsafe. SL has generally been a Fort Knox environment for scripts, but running them client side will change all that.

I guess scripts may actually run better and be able to use more memory when that happens?
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07-21-2009 09:26
From: Marcush Nemeth
Did you investigate This new mono feature recently? It's point is exactly to make scripts run client side instead of server side. It's going to be pretty hard to reverse engineer it, but what's in your computers' memory is up for grabs to anyone with the proper know how (thank god, there seem to be less and less brilliant C and Assembly coders these days!)



Huh... well, guess LL said, "If we can savez teh primz, why savez the scriptz?"

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07-21-2009 09:47
From: Loki Ball

Its always been simple for "some" to copy things but making a simple user friendly tool for the masses is just in bad taste.
You mean, making ANOTHER simple user-friendly tool for the masses is bad taste? Well, it probably is bad taste, but bad taste hardly pushes the envelope. The tool is a teeny tiny part of the problem. The people who can't figure out that they need to file DMCA notices with ISPs against open grid owners who ignore DMCA filings are part of the problem too, and a bigger one, because until that starts happening there's not going to be any policy changes on those grids.
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07-21-2009 09:57
From: Loki Ball
No not an angle, just a point that not everyone knows how to copy items by modifying an opensource viewer or various other ways to copy items in SL.
You mean, like downloading one of the easy-to-use tools that are already widely distributed among the people likely to abuse the capabilities?
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07-21-2009 09:57
From: Marcush Nemeth
Did you investigate This new mono feature recently? It's point is exactly to make scripts run client side instead of server side. It's going to be pretty hard to reverse engineer it, but what's in your computers' memory is up for grabs to anyone with the proper know how (thank god, there seem to be less and less brilliant C and Assembly coders these days!)
What new mono feature are you referring to?
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07-21-2009 09:58
So with the release of software that allows the full copying of a sim, does this mean I get to avoid a whole new slew of sims with constant chat replies from their "copy protection script"??? :D
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07-21-2009 09:59
From: Marcush Nemeth
Did you investigate This new mono feature recently? It's point is exactly to make scripts run client side instead of server side. It's going to be pretty hard to reverse engineer it, but what's in your computers' memory is up for grabs to anyone with the proper know how (thank god, there seem to be less and less brilliant C and Assembly coders these days!)


Do you have a link to something concerning this?
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07-21-2009 10:04
From: Raudf Fox

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07-21-2009 10:06
From: Eli Schlegal
Bite your tongue!


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07-21-2009 10:23
From: Marcush Nemeth
Did you investigate This new mono feature recently? It's point is exactly to make scripts run client side instead of server side. It's going to be pretty hard to reverse engineer it, but what's in your computers' memory is up for grabs to anyone with the proper know how (thank god, there seem to be less and less brilliant C and Assembly coders these days!)

Is this a misunderstanding of "per-user script resources?"
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07-21-2009 10:52
Builders Bot won't be released under a BSD licence:

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Darien Caldwell
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07-21-2009 11:12
From: Day Oh
Is this a misunderstanding of "per-user script resources?"


Has to be, Mono has nothing to do with running scripts client side at all. If that were true, we wouldn't need the coming script limits.
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07-21-2009 12:10
Maybe he's confused about Silverlight/Moonlight?

Which isn't going on any computer I own. :eek:
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Talarus Luan
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07-21-2009 12:13
From: Briana Dawson
You mean "suspended".

Most copy botters are suspended.


I used the same word the person used to whom I responded, in which he presumed worst-case. Either way, there are severe disciplinary actions for infringing uses of ANY client, copybot or no.
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