Builder Bot - Full sim copy Bot
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Lord Sullivan
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07-20-2009 07:50
First we had copy bot now the soon to be released BuilderBot from Rezzable http://rezzable.com/blog/rightasrain-rimbaud/builderbot-how-best-release-itFrom: someone We made a set of tools to help us archive and move our content that is/was on the SL grid. We called it "BuilderBot" as it automates the process of finding objects on a region and converting them into OAR files that can be used offline and/or inside any OpenSim grid. We also made a tool to look at the OAR file offline and edit it. This is particularly useful to merge content from several OAR files. We think this is pretty handy stuff and thought it would make sense to release it for serious content creators. There are of course some issues relating to this and we would like to explain our approach to releasing it and invite some constructive comment Is this going to be the next scourge of SL as it will be able to copy the entire prims on a sim including ones that you do not own From: someone BuilderBot will grab a copy of everything on sim--so you need to be careful on what is rezzed. You can of course delete stuff that you do not have rights to (check a discussion about rights here). But it is possible to grab stuff that you were not intending to have in your OAR file--and accidents do happen.
If the OAR files are imported into an OpenSim grid the creator, owner data will be reset to an id that exists on that grid. This is necessary to allow the import. Of course since it will be you on the new grid, for legit use there is no issue. The properties can be easily edited in the OAR Editor so it is possible to change the creator, owner details, dates etc. However, only an OpenSim grid owner can currently process the OAR file into that grid. So at least there is a trail on who is trying to take stuff. They are ready to release it they say and invite comments on the blog.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-20-2009 07:52
This is great, i will finally be able to store a backup copy of my SL sim.
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Jerboa Haystack
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07-20-2009 08:00
From: Kyrah Abattoir This is great, i will finally be able to store a backup copy of my SL sim. So will everyone else, apparently.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-20-2009 08:01
From: Jerboa Haystack So will everyone else, apparently. QFT |
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-20-2009 08:02
Not everything is world war 3.
Since the early days of the web, grabbing a webpage has always been possible.
Last time i checked copybot didn't destroy SL either.
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Meade Paravane
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07-20-2009 08:12
From: Lord Sullivan They are ready to release it they say and invite comments on the blog. They should offer this as a service instead of a product. Rezzable loses a bunch of points in my book if they release this into the wild.
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Ciaran Laval
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07-20-2009 08:16
From: Kyrah Abattoir Not everything is world war 3.
Since the early days of the web, grabbing a webpage has always been possible.
Last time i checked copybot didn't destroy SL either. Generally as things advance people try and make copying more difficult, not easier. The release of this tool is irresponsible. I agree with Meade, if Rezzable want to offer a service where they offer to help you backup the content you own, then that would be a useful service. Helping people copy and backup content they don't own is not a useful service. |
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Darien Caldwell
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07-20-2009 08:21
Rezzible left SL, they could care less if they destroy it now. In fact, it would help their own plans for their private grid.
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Lord Sullivan
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07-20-2009 08:22
From: Meade Paravane They should offer this as a service instead of a product.
Rezzable loses a bunch of points in my book if they release this into the wild. That would be a smarter move imo, its a PN wet dream methinks if it is released as is.
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Feline Slade
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07-20-2009 08:31
From: Darien Caldwell Rezzible left SL, they could care less if they destroy it now. In fact, it would help their own plans for their private grid. This was my thought. As I said on a blog response elsewhere, it reminds me of a tenant vandalizing the place as they move out. Releasing this, especially as opensource, is irresponsible.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-20-2009 08:32
From: Ciaran Laval Generally as things advance people try and make copying more difficult, not easier. The release of this tool is irresponsible.
I agree with Meade, if Rezzable want to offer a service where they offer to help you backup the content you own, then that would be a useful service. Helping people copy and backup content they don't own is not a useful service. In the numeric fabric that is internet as time pass things get easier to copy, not harder. Copying and caching of data is all a network do on the lowest level.
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Riseon Kosten
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07-20-2009 08:36
From: Kyrah Abattoir In the numeric fabric that is internet as time pass things get easier to copy, not harder. Copying and caching of data is all a network do on the lowest level. QFT All that really happens is it gets harder for responsible people to use digital information (DRM anyone? CD/DVD security so tight older players can't play them?) While at the same time doing nothing to stop the people who really damage sales numbers or steal content.
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Anya Ristow
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07-20-2009 08:40
Anyone building full sims for money can't really make use of other people's work, anyway. Tools for theft are most useful for copying individual objects, and those already exist.
As Adam said across the street, this will cause the open grid people some grief chasing down reports of full-sim theft. They are the losers here. The thieves, though, will be doing it just to cause trouble. I don't see how they can profit by it. It'll be annoying, but...who's got a commercial use for your whole sim?
It'll be interesting to see if the tool can be used successfully to copy rezzable's non-SL sims.
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Meade Paravane
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07-20-2009 08:42
From: Anya Ristow It'll be interesting to see if the tool can be used successfully to copy rezzable's non-SL sims. Or maybe the Black Swan region (if it's still around) with all that high-priced Light Waves stuff for sale on it...
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-20-2009 08:43
From: Riseon Kosten QFT
All that really happens is it gets harder for responsible people to use digital information (DRM anyone? CD/DVD security so tight older players can't play them?) While at the same time doing nothing to stop the people who really damage sales numbers or steal content. Thats because the content industry refuse to adapt to a new setting, a setting where copying content is essentially free, quick , effortless and perfect. If something cost nothing to reproduce there is no scarcity, if something is not scarce, regardless of the initial creation costs, it's value goes toward 0.
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Alisha Matova
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07-20-2009 08:47
From: Meade Paravane Or maybe the Black Swan region (if it's still around) with all that high-priced Light Waves stuff for sale on it... Funny you mention Black swan. I just posted, on their blog, how much i will enjoy my copy of Black Swan... |
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 08:49
From: Meade Paravane They should offer this as a service instead of a product. But that would be against the ToS, since you'd have to give them your account password. |
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Tali Rosca
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07-20-2009 08:56
From: Anya Ristow Anyone building full sims for money can't really make use of other people's work, anyway. Tools for theft are most useful for copying individual objects, and those already exist. My thought too. Pragmatically, I doubt a back-alley market for full sims sold by disposable alts will spring up. This really does look like a tool for those who legitimately need to move an entire sim. Those who want to rip off an item and sell it already have their tools. |
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Meade Paravane
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07-20-2009 08:58
From: Argent Stonecutter But that would be against the ToS, since you'd have to give them your account password. Who said anything about passwords?
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Miles Beck
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07-20-2009 09:10
From: Tali Rosca Those who want to rip off an item and sell it already have their tools. They do not, however, have the ability to copy scripts. Rezzable's software doesn't copy them, either. But that function is a stated goal. From Rezzable's site, on why they will release Builderbot as open source software before releasing the pro version: "it would be useful if anyone wanted to improve the code....Also scripts are not grabbed now, which would be handy." |
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Anya Ristow
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07-20-2009 09:10
From: Kyrah Abattoir If something cost nothing to reproduce there is no scarcity, if something is not scarce, regardless of the initial creation costs, it's value goes toward 0. I get this blah feeling whenever I hear something I've heard before on slashdot a million times, because I have no respect for them at all, but I think what really bothers me about these kinds of statements is the absence of any kind of regret. These kinds of statements could sound less like "your information just wants to be mine" with the simple addition of something like "...and that's unfortunate." Without that, I can't tell if people who say these things are happy about it or not. So, let me re-state what you've said in a way I'd find less annoying... "If something cost nothing to reproduce there is no scarcity, if something is not scarce, regardless of the initial creation costs, it's value goes toward 0. And that's unfortunate." See, I've been earning a living creating intellectual property (which slashdot sometimes calls "imaginary property"  for more than twenty years. I had thought it was something I could do until retirement. I now find the value of my efforts "approaching zero", and as far as I can tell, the copyleftists think that's just grand.
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Briana Dawson
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07-20-2009 09:17
From: Kyrah Abattoir Thats because the content industry refuse to adapt to a new setting, a setting where copying content is essentially free, quick , effortless and perfect.
If something cost nothing to reproduce there is no scarcity, if something is not scarce, regardless of the initial creation costs, it's value goes toward 0. *Tackles Kyrah- Tapes her mouth shut - Slaps her own Straight Jacket on her and drags her out of the thread* |
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Meade Paravane
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07-20-2009 09:19
From: Briana Dawson *Tackles Kyrah- Tapes her mouth shut - Slaps her own Straight Jacket on her and drags her out of the thread* Having been to Kyrah's stores, I can't help but wonder if you're doing this to her to punish her or to please her...
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-20-2009 09:20
From: Anya Ristow I get this blah feeling whenever I hear something I've heard before on slashdot a million times, because I have no respect for them at all, but I think what really bothers me about these kinds of statements is the absence of any kind of regret. These kinds of statements could sound less like "your information just wants to be mine" with the simple addition of something like "...and that's unfortunate." Without that, I can't tell if people who say these things are happy about it or not. So, let me re-state what you've said in a way I'd find less annoying... "If something cost nothing to reproduce there is no scarcity, if something is not scarce, regardless of the initial creation costs, it's value goes toward 0. And that's unfortunate." See, I've been earning a living creating intellectual property (which slashdot sometimes calls "imaginary property" for more than twenty years. I had thought it was something I could do until retirement. I now find the value of my efforts "approaching zero", and as far as I can tell, the copyleftists think that's just grand. Hey i've been there too however i'm no changing my mind because "lolol i like grabbing stuffs for free" but simply because as technology will evolve it will only get easier to copy paste transfer, spread and scatter data across tousand of computers in the blick of an eye. Content creation might still have a good time in front of it, but it isn't bound by the same "physical constrains" as a car or a lawnmower are, hence there will be a point where obstinating ourselves to consider them as such won't be manageable anymore. We are lucky that peoples somehow see a certain "perceived value" into them but i think it isn't something we can count on. At some point managing copyright claims/complains will not be humanely possible. I wonderhow many copyrights i am violating simply by saving a page of search results on google image or photobucket. Oh hello brinanna whata re you doing with... HEY! HELLL... MMGBMMMM!!! MMM!!!
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-20-2009 09:20
From: Meade Paravane Who said anything about passwords? I was assuming they would want to be able to read your scripts, but apparently they don't bother, so never mind. |
