Builder Bot - Full sim copy Bot

The other way to look at this analogy is, since we're going to die, we might as well deal with it and do the best we can with the hand we're dealt. There's little point in running around, screaming and shouting "I don't believe it. *I* am not going to die! I can change it!"

To be an existentialist or not to be...that is the question?

Doesn't relate to anything I wrote.

But you can take efforts to make sure you live a little longer. Which was my basic point. Just because your going to die doesn't mean you just lay down and die. You continue to do the things that YOU can to make sure you survive a little longer.

In the case of the Builder Bot... Voicing ones opinion on how stupid it is to release something like that into SL that already has a variety of copywrite infringement problems isn't a pointless act.

I'd be willing to bet that with a little bit of public outcry the SIM copy machine won't make it to market. There will be others I'm sure cause someones always gotta prove a point on how easy it is to copy things. There will always be more but see thats how life works. You attempt to get over the small humps and hurdles one at a time, and attempt to prepare for the next. As you take care of the smaller things it helps to take care of larger problems.

No one ever accomplishes anything by sitting back and remaining quiet about something or having the mentality... "well there isn't anything that can be done about it anyway so you may as well not do anything at all."

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I also gotta add... You try telling a cancer patient they should just deal with the hand they're dealt and tell them not to kick and scream and say they're not going to die. Cause that's exactly what the majority of them do. And a lot of them that survive will tell you that they never gave up and continued to fight and didn't just accept the hand they were dealt

The sequel ..

Full Grid Copy Bot ..


will cause even more drama

All of the analogies about dying, cancer and rape are completely meaningless in the discussion.

There is a slight possibility that with enough of an outcry that the program will not be released but it will still have no impact in the general scheme of things. Anyone can already copy anything in SL and it only takes one second and there is no way to stop that. As pointed out, it is the nature of the internet and the program. If you can see it then it is in your computer already. For thievery in general then it would be a pain to copy a whole damned sim and parse it all out when you really want a few items anyway.

People really need to educate themselves about this just to see how ridiculously easy it is. I would suggest downloading the Greenlife viewer and giving it a spin. Take an object that you have created, right click it and hit "More" twice in the pie menu until you have the "Export" button and click it. Once it is named then the deed is done. It is really that fast and easy. You can test it by calling up the "File" menu and "import linkset" to rez it back in world.

Now Greenlife has safeguards built in so that you can only export what you have permission to but it is just as easy with the other programs that do not have those safeguards.

The point of all of this is? The point is that SL and creators have survived and thrived all of those years even thou anything can be copied. They have survived and thrived despite all of the cries over the years of people saying that this is going to be the end. They survived and thrived despite the countless pages of outraged posts when Copybot was released. Copybot is still alive and well and so is everyone here. They will survive if this program is released and they will survive because of one simple fact; the majority of people are honest. Thieves already have the tools they need.

There really is nothing LL can do concerning DRM except follow up on complaints. There is no way to block this program or any other without having total, admin rights over each of our computers. And as far as that goes, LL already has enough problems dealing with problems LL has caused itself, everyone remember Zindra?

I don't remember zindra but I remember, age play, gambling, banks, and that austrailian stock exchange company that got away with tons of peoples money. But they're a memory now and they're gone.

Loki, hopefully you do know that this is completely different?

Please outline technically what can be done to stop it? Draper, who does know his way around scripts and should know a fair amount about computers, tried and failed. Any technical scheme you can propose will still be full of holes because of the nature of the program and http. As pointed out previously, Companies with billions of dollars at stake have ALL failed miserably when it comes to DRM. There are none that have not been broken shortly after release. It is one thing to talk passionately about a subject, it is quite another to look at that same subject in the light of technological constraints.

Doesn't mean the internet will fail as a whole to stop content thievery sometime in the future, and the attempts made at this point in our little history as psuedo intelligent beings may perhaps make a change eventually in how things are stored.

If you believe that the internet will not evolve or change someday and storage will continue to be the same then I'm afraid your sadly mistaken. Everything that is fought for now will have a result down the road for other things to change.

But then again there are people who just don't care to do anything or voice an opinion about it and almost condone it by pointing the fact out that in fact nothing can be done about it. Those are the people who aren't helping things change for the better in the future.

I just gotta laugh when I think of people believing that the internet will never change and computers will never advance and start to wonder how smart they really are, regardless of how they try to come across in a forum.

Do the objects in the copied grids come linked like the originals?

I wonder what would happen if one of the alternate grids had copies of the Linden sims, like for example the Dore Ahern Morris Bonifacio welcome are, or the Linden office sims.

Why is it the intolerant never know they are being intolerant?

I just can't tolerate it!

Maybe you should answer that question. Do you know the definition of irony?

Yeh, it really IS that simple. There's versions of the client and bots out there right now that let you do anything this does just as easily, already. You just need to do a little searching.

Right now most of the guys with the tools are "bad guys", but does that really make YOU feel any better about it? It doesn't make ME feel better, knowing that only crooks can copy my stuff.

Just so everyone knows - because I don't take abuse silently - this person sent me an EXTREMELY abusive IM in world just now. I am talking about a full on rant using the C word, the B word, pornographic abusive imagery and on and on. Apparently because of this thread, in which I did some very light joking around. I have never met, posted to or with, or IMed this person anywhere at any time. Except here, today, which you can all see.

In NO WAY did I deserve that (or any kind of) IM abuse or foul language. This was a totally misogynistic RANT to the level of outright abuse.

That's all.

WOW, was that disturbing.

Bullshit, just pointing out how it is in the PRESENT. The people changing things are the ones that have a grasp on the technology, not the people on the sidelines shouting "fix it, fix it, fix it". Go ahead and propose how it should be fixed and I will show how it can be broken because unless you know what Softice used to be or what Syser is now then you are completely clueless. Think Microsoft, Autodesk, Photoshop and countless other companies don't care? They have been pouring 100's of millions of dollars at the problem and the best brains in the world at it and have ALL failed.

Did you even try Greenlife as I suggested? You will not be breaking any rules or laws making a copy of what you already created yourself and it would be the first step in your education. If you really want to help then you need to learn.

Apologies that you had to endure that Clarrisa. This was what I had been trying to point out. Being passionate (or worse) about something does not solve problems, education does.

Education and passion had nothing to do with that type of hate letter, that was seriously unhinged stuff.

I mean most of us realise a discussion online is exactly that, a discussion, and people sometimes disagree. What's weird is I never even thought he and I were arguing. No he just used any excuse I think, to vent a warped rant. I do not have any enemy that I know of. Not if they are rational. No reason to.

Ummm excuse me? I think you should read your intolorance thread again cause trying to libel someone in a forum is probably not the best thing to be doing.

Loki the Lindens can EASILY check IM logs.

Are you saying you did not send that IM?

Also it isn't MY intolerance thread, and whatever post set you off, it wasn't worth what you just sent me in world. For that level of vicious misogyny you have to have some imagined grudge or just wanted to vent at someone you thought would take it.

I did not do or say anything in this forum to warrant that, in fact I can't think of anyone's post in this forum anywhere, that would. I can't repeat it here because it was an IM, as I'm sure you know, but if you want to start talking about libelous, I have not said anything libelous because what I said was true, you DID send an abusive name calling scary IM for absolutely no defensible reason.

A lawyer and/or Lindens could easily check that you DID send that, if you wanted to start shouting about libel. Nice try, though. Why don't you repost the IM you sent me? Hmm?

Loki, Clarissa has a very long track record of helping people and many friends who trust her here. She has no record of ever "libeling" anyone. I have no grudge against anyone here and no one is picking on you. Even my posts in reply to you were meant to only convey my point of view.

Maybe let it go and let all of us get back to the discussion?

Well if your trying to say I'm ignorant and full of bullshit because I personally don't know how to fix it then you've apparently been too passionately only hearing your own comments.. Which I'm willing to bet usually happens with you in the forum. So let me reiterate once again......

By people not saying anything about the issues and problems they can tend to go unnoticed. So..... Is that too difficult or should I expound. If people lay down and allow things to happen and don't say anything they get screwed.

If your so smart then you fix it would be my final suggestion. I never said I could fix it. I said what I did and was pretty up front that I felt people should voice their opinion about it. And they should keep voicing their opinion about it. Maybe those who think they're so smart like yourself would get to the matter at hand and fix it then.

I also pointed out that there will be different formats for storing data, and sending information in the future I'm sure. I've used emerald since it first came out. I know how it works. Read back as to the things I wrote about. I think you've overlooked just about every thing I wrote which seems to be your MO most the time LOL.

I'll propose how to fix it..... All of those people like yourself who seem to think they know it all sit down and start working on solutions or just admit you really don't know as much as you think you do and shut up. LOL.

So I guess what your saying to people over all who are speaking up about this new copy bot machine is that if they don't know how to fix it they should just keep quiet. LOL nice advice.. I bet the worlds past issues have always been solved that way

keep trolling jesse your doing good.

I don't care who she knows I started out voicing my opinion in this topic and its only been others who have changed topic towards me. So maybe you should go back and read once again jesse or troll someone else with your kewl friends group her on the SL forums ROFL.

*edit to add.. Seems like she probably gets away with this form of behavior quite often as well by playing the politically correct happy go lucky person who can always come back and say she was lightly joking.

Well I am going to bed but considering I never told anyone to shut up, was abusive or called anyone a troll, I think you just kind of hurt your defense against Clarissa. Batting a thousand tonight?

Well I call it like it is. You've kept up the off topic conversation as well as Clarissa so I guess the truth is in the pudding. I for one don't tolorate people trying to stop people from expressing their views, or making things up about others to continue to look like the forum goodie goodie. But thats just me.


On another note have a good night and happy trolling.

Does the wink make it look more like I'm lightly joking because I was the entire time in this thread. I always lightly joke jeeze lighten up people. <<

I most definitely did not send that IM, and you can have LL check what ever you'd like and I'm sure that trying to call out someone in a forum topic for something that they claim happend in game is at the top of their list of things to do. That's all. If there was an IM for me to personally post then I would post my IM. Since there isn't an IM to post I can't.