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Solar Legion
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05-14-2008 19:25
From: MortVent Charron
shh! it works as long as junior doesn't steal his parent's card


Nope: It doesn't work at all. A fifteen year old can go out and get a pre-paid card to use for SL.

It's simply Identity Verification.
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05-14-2008 19:37
From: Solar Legion
Nope: It doesn't work at all. A fifteen year old can go out and get a pre-paid card to use for SL.

It's simply Identity Verification.


was reading it as something else... plus from what I heard some are looking into adding a flag to the prepaid for validation services
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05-15-2008 00:00
From: Solar Legion
Nope: It doesn't work at all. A fifteen year old can go out and get a pre-paid card to use for SL.

It's simply Identity Verification.


You stil have to put a name on it from what people say to use it
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05-15-2008 01:27
From: Solar Legion
You are aware that a Credit Card does bubkiss as far as Age Verification .... right?

And car door locks don't stop a car theif either, but we still fit them to cars.
Credit card will stop damn sight more kids than the current "click this box if you are 18+" system.
It's great to say parents are 100% responsible and your kids are alright, till you try to blame someone elses parents when some 14yo brat is trying to blackmail you for unknowingly being involved with a minor.
Is this an adult grid or not, if it is, simplly verify everyone somehow, if you can't then you have taken no steps to protect anyone at all. It's like putting a security guard on the front door with the backdoor wide open.
Other adult sites don't allow anyone to enter for the sake of those who can't verify, why should we?
Either that or split SL properly have a adult verified cotinent and an unverified PG one. Once verification is working just start building the adult continent and gradually all adult activities wanting the protection will move there. Make adult verified only available on the new continent and private islands. As parcels/sims are sold bordering PG, default then to PG without mature option.
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05-15-2008 01:50
From: Tegg Bode
And car door locks don't stop a car theif either, but we still fit them to cars.
Credit card will stop damn sight more kids than the current "click this box if you are 18+" system.
It's great to say parents are 100% responsible and your kids are alright, till you try to blame someone elses parents when some 14yo brat is trying to blackmail you for unknowingly being involved with a minor.
Is this an adult grid or not, if it is, simplly verify everyone somehow, if you can't then you have taken no steps to protect anyone at all. It's like putting a security guard on the front door with the backdoor wide open.
Other adult sites don't allow anyone to enter for the sake of those who can't verify, why should we?
Either that or split SL properly have a adult verified cotinent and an unverified PG one. Once verification is working just start building the adult continent and gradually all adult activities wanting the protection will move there. Make adult verified only available on the new continent and private islands. As parcels/sims are sold bordering PG, default then to PG without mature option.


You are aware the age verification and payment verification required check boxes in land permissions is there... even with verification still in beta

If a 14yr old brat starts to try and blackmail you, contact linden labs. Explain someone told you they were underage and are threatening to blackmail you about it after being involved in adult situations.
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05-15-2008 02:08
From: someone
And car door locks don't stop a car theif either, but we still fit them to cars.
Credit card will stop damn sight more kids than the current "click this box if you are 18+" system.
It's great to say parents are 100% responsible and your kids are alright, till you try to blame someone elses parents when some 14yo brat is trying to blackmail you for unknowingly being involved with a minor.


Again he is trying to reach too far for a point he doesnt understand....

As a Parent Its my repouniblity to monitor my childs habits to make sure she is not getting into problems should either doesnt understand or shouldnt be in...


From: someone
If a 14yr old brat starts to try and blackmail you, contact linden labs. Explain someone told you they were underage and are threatening to blackmail you about it after being involved in adult situations.


I still don`t understand his point........If a 14 year old is doing this he can 1.) be held for a crime, 2.) his parent could be having the local soical services of welfare looking in to the child health and warefare to see if there indeed is problems.........Again the concept behind this lack of understanding about what a parents job is only really known if one is one. Anyone can "Role Play" a parent but really the outcome isnt the same.
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05-15-2008 02:09
From: MortVent Charron
You are aware the age verification and payment verification required check boxes in land permissions is there... even with verification still in beta

If a 14yr old brat starts to try and blackmail you, contact linden labs. Explain someone told you they were underage and are threatening to blackmail you about it after being involved in adult situations.


If it happened that still wouldn't make you feel comfortable would it.
There's just no reason to let accounts with no verifivcation access to adult content.
If their parents are monitoring them and allowing it woopee, the parents can log them in using their ID for verification.
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05-15-2008 02:12
shakeshead................ :rolleyes: again another remark with out any thought of what is being talked about
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05-15-2008 02:23
From: Tegg Bode
If it happened that still wouldn't make you feel comfortable would it.
There's just no reason to let accounts with no verifivcation access to adult content.
If their parents are monitoring them and allowing it woopee, the parents can log them in using their ID for verification.


There is no reasoning in a parent letting their underage children go online unsupervised

Just like you don't let a kid play with power tools unsupervised.

The internet and a saw are both powerful tools, but you have to teach the kids to respect and use them responsibly.

It's not black and decker's fault you let little bobby play with a circular saw and get hurt.
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05-15-2008 02:57
From: Usagi Musashi
shakeshead................ :rolleyes: again another remark with out any thought of what is being talked about

<shakes head then rolls eyes too>
yet more from someone who believes in fixing the results of the problem rather than prevention.
Great if you are silly enough to believe the best way to resolve a situation is to let it happen then after the it's hit the fan big time, try dragging a kid and their parents from another country into court.
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05-15-2008 03:02
From: Tegg Bode
<shakes head then rolls eyes too>
yet more from someone who believes in fixing the results of the problem rather than prevention.
Great if you are silly enough to believe the best way to resolve a situation is to let it happen then after the it's hit the fan big time, try dragging a kid and their parents from another country into court.


The best prevention is the parents doing what they should be doing.

Linden labs is working on it's part of the deal, they have to take 'reasonable' steps to limit access by underage individuals.

But it's like screaming at the park service because you turned little johnny loose and he climbed over fence to pet the lions while ignoring the signs.
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05-15-2008 03:03
From: MortVent Charron
There is no reasoning in a parent letting their underage children go online unsupervised

Just like you don't let a kid play with power tools unsupervised.

The internet and a saw are both powerful tools, but you have to teach the kids to respect and use them responsibly.

It's not black and decker's fault you let little bobby play with a circular saw and get hurt.

And it's great to talk responsibility to parents about powertools after your kids been hurt by someone elses kid playing with a saw.
Parenting supervision is necessary but not the 100% working solution.
Parenting supervision may teach your kid the dangers of alcohol usage but using that as an excuse to not require any restriction on minors buying alcohol is ludicrous.
You can't blame the shopkeeper when your kid is dead in a ditch from another kids drinking binge exloits.
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05-15-2008 03:05
From: MortVent Charron
The best prevention is the parents doing what they should be doing.

Linden labs is working on it's part of the deal, they have to take 'reasonable' steps to limit access by underage individuals.

But it's like screaming at the park service because you turned little johnny loose and he climbed over fence to pet the lions while ignoring the signs.

Or complaining because there were no fences, just lions chained up and little johnny wandered too close, when parental supervision should make that impossible.
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05-15-2008 03:05
If you were a parent you understand. Fixing problems in a exteme was doesnt mean results. Almost 4 years i seen almost every possible way LLABS tried to do it. But at the end they say they get in regaurdless. Talking over your head about issues like parenting and blocking under 18 at times outlandish.

face the facts you don`t know what your even talking about. But then again you know everything don`t you :rolleyes: Frankly speaking you just don`t know what your talking about period.....

Blog bangers as they say just love to thik they cab talk and win every possible debute......
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05-15-2008 03:08
You want to fix the problems? Cut out those newbie landing points that allows with no real E-mail. No personal information ( others then name and age ) Since those commerical island start opening up we had nothing but problems with griefters, under 18, countless other abuses.......
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05-15-2008 03:13
From: Tegg Bode
Or complaining because there were no fences, just lions chained up and little johnny wandered too close, when parental supervision should make that impossible.


Wrong. Linden labs puts up fences just like most construction sites take the reasonable precaution of doing.

Yet kids and others find ways around them, but by doing the reasonable precautions the company is not responsible for them getting hurt.

Linden labs currently has chain link fences and is working on the barbed wired ones (with the beta verification system.. but it will still be up to the users to decide if they use it or turn it on the land.)

From: someone
And it's great to talk responsibility to parents about powertools after your kids been hurt by someone elses kid playing with a saw.
Parenting supervision is necessary but not the 100% working solution.
Parenting supervision may teach your kid the dangers of alcohol usage but using that as an excuse to not require any restriction on minors buying alcohol is ludicrous.
You can't blame the shopkeeper when your kid is dead in a ditch from another kids drinking binge exloits.


Nope, linden labs does it's part like the store keeper.

But it still relies on parents not letting the children run loose in the streets.

After all knowing the dangers of certain neighborhoods in the city, do you tell your kids to stay away? Or do you scream at the city council to clean them up so your kids can run wild in the streets and go wherever?
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05-15-2008 03:17
From: MortVent Charron
Wrong. Linden labs puts up fences just like most construction sites take the reasonable precaution of doing.

Yet kids and others find ways around them, but by doing the reasonable precautions the company is not responsible for them getting hurt.

Linden labs currently has chain link fences and is working on the barbed wired ones (with the beta verification system.. but it will still be up to the users to decide if they use it or turn it on the land.)



Nope, linden labs does it's part like the store keeper.

But it still relies on parents not letting the children run loose in the streets.

After all knowing the dangers of certain neighborhoods in the city, do you tell your kids to stay away? Or do you scream at the city council to clean them up so your kids can run wild in the streets and go wherever?



Thank you someone had enough patients to answer him and the outlandish relies. Off the wall as they say remarks signals every little understanding and forcing issues that don`t balance with the subject matter.........
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05-15-2008 03:48
From: MortVent Charron

It's not black and decker's fault you let little bobby play with a circular saw and get hurt.


In this case, the drill was placed out in the open, in the Black and Decker shop, with the door wide open and nobody home.
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05-15-2008 03:52
From: Rebecca Proudhon
In this case, the drill was placed out in the open, in the Black and Decker shop, with the door wide open and nobody home.


with a sign on the door saying closed, be back later. And the kid noticed the door was unlocked and went inside to play because the parents never told him not to walk into other people's homes or businesses
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05-15-2008 03:54
Some parents even raise furries.:rolleyes:


Didn't they take the Cuddly Camel off the cigarette ads?

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05-15-2008 03:55
From: Usagi Musashi
If you were a parent you understand. Fixing problems in a exteme was doesnt mean results. Almost 4 years i seen almost every possible way LLABS tried to do it. But at the end they say they get in regaurdless. Talking over your head about issues like parenting and blocking under 18 at times outlandish.

face the facts you don`t know what your even talking about. But then again you know everything don`t you :rolleyes: Frankly speaking you just don`t know what your talking about period.....

Blog bangers as they say just love to thik they cab talk and win every possible debute......

LOL queen of the "Blog bangers" telling me, just go away, I'm sick of you disagreeing with me agreeing with you, you think you a coupla kids makes you know everything and it doesn't, you don't know anything period, go emote all you like if it helps protect your kids, I see there's some blank spots on the blog you haven't used up.
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05-15-2008 04:00
From: MortVent Charron
with a sign on the door saying closed, be back later. And the kid noticed the door was unlocked and went inside to play because the parents never told him not to walk into other people's homes or businesses

Thanks for this debate MortVent, I respect your views and hope we have each learnt something from all this, and I didn't mean to make it soun agressive I should have poked some smilies in, but with the Blogqueen interupting is irritating me somewhat, and feel this can't go any further for either of us really with differeing opnions, as always have fun :)
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05-15-2008 04:00
From: MortVent Charron
with a sign on the door saying closed, be back later. And the kid noticed the door was unlocked and went inside to play because the parents never told him not to walk into other people's homes or businesses


No. The parents did tell the kid, but the kid wanted to sneakzz in anyway.

Not in millions of years of evolution, are the parents capable of properly raising kids.

If they could there would be world peace.

And knowing War is bad does not mean they don't send the kids to fight in them.
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05-15-2008 04:04
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Some parents even raise furries.:rolleyes:


Didn't they take the Cuddly Camel off the cigarette ads?




Yep "for the children' since someone argued a comic character mascot would entice the children to smoke cigarettes so a company was forced to destroy an iconic mascot because of overzealous people who failed to realize in all the years it was used they never marketed to kids. It was used due to name brand recognition.

Much like other commercials are banned from certain time slots or outright with no effect on the usage of cigarettes or alcohol


And yes parents raise people that find their way into one of the more accepting and open communities in existence. Where asking any one of them will get you a different answer as to why they are one, but most will agree it's a far more welcoming community
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05-15-2008 04:13
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No. The parents did tell the kid, but the kid wanted to sneakzz in anyway.

Not in millions of years of evolution, are the parents capable of properly raising kids.

If they could there would be world peace.

And knowing War is bad does not mean they don't send the kids to fight in them.


By sneaking in the kid is responsible for his actions and the store owner is not at fault.

Maybe because they haven't been parenting, but relying on corporations and governments to do it for them.

And to repeat a post I made in another thread:

Want and idea... create a poll, and ask the population on the forums if they want LL to implement a system that is even more invasive or requires them to send in documentation in order to access the grid. Or would such measure result in them leaving SL
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