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FOX News is gonna RUIN SL with this video!

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05-15-2008 16:33
From: Oryx Tempel
God, you're a b*tch.

As somebody said elsewhere in these forums, not everybody is here to provide answers or solve problems. If you think about her what her motives for posting like she does here might be, or even what they might not be, you'll probably do what I did and stick her on your mute list. Her only purpose here is to produce drama.

You are, of course, free to continue responding but I guarantee it'll never go anywhere.
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05-15-2008 16:48
I know that Sindy, but I keep posting because others out there will read and see in her posts the arguments that so many scream when they start to lose.

They see the behavior of one who discovers themselves on shakey ground on something then resorts to "do you have kids" or "but what about the children" rebuttals.

Never mind many that do think of the kids and currently have kids at home tell them the same things.

Besides I'm bored a lot :D
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05-15-2008 19:14
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Not that these outfits are great, or FOX or MSNBC either, but in this case they are reporting news about a congresssmen. it's not these news shows making this up.
If real journalists reported a story like this they would feel obliged to investigate what the congressman said and report to their listeners the actual facts. Fox is more about neo-con propaganda than journalism. Other commercial news stations are more about selling advertising. Every night I watch NBC nightly news and then the BBC World News. There is a big difference.

Some time ago a local Fox reporter was assigned to do a story on San Diegans in SL. She told people I know that her slant was supposed to be lives ruined by SL addiction. But when she couldn't find it they ran this .
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05-15-2008 19:31
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Stop you right there.....no.


LOL! You have NO idea how easy it is to access porn!

FULL access!

Not "register to view" or "pay to view", but just "View".

If you want the sites, just holler. ;)

I figure if I can find this stuff at my age, how easy is it for some male 14-17 to find?

And not to burst anyones bubble about "social responsibility" but, having been a teenage male many years ago, looking or watching Porn is almost a given. Its all you think about. Then you get older, and more important things come to mind. But there's always S-E-X on your mind, somewhere. Whether people admit it or not.

Weird thing about the USA's goverment- they forget what it was like when they were teens. Show me ONE Senator or Governor that is still a Virgin. Show me one who doesnt sensationalize something or lie to get votes. Show me one who tells the truth. THAT will be the one I'd actually register to vote for. :p
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05-16-2008 00:55
From: MortVent Charron

So what is wrong with parents doing the following:
* setting up a child's account on a computer so they can not install software with out the parent knowing what it is
* setting up the computer so the child can not go online with out the parent's permission and supervision
* installing a filter, or at least setting google and the like to safe search only

simple things...


Nothing is wrong with that, except you wanted to add, criminal charges for kids and parents---and refuse to hear that SL needs to come up with real age verification--and say its all just the parent's fault and those who beneift financially from Porn, are fine...and a congressman is somehow wrong mentioning Second Life as a major concern.

This .pdf file says it quite clearly as to what is needed:

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05-16-2008 01:12
From: Rebecca Proudhon
I'm not the one hating this congressman for trying to do his job. Yes parents are pushing them to protect kids from porn.

But hating one for not iresearching properly before opening his mouth and just blurting out what a group of people want to hear is a different thing.

If we could trust everyone to responsibly teach their kids about alcohol, there'd be no need for laws restricting 10yo's from buying it. Porn is no different.
One level of protection isn't enough, so if a few young adults have to show ID to buy a bottle of Bourbon, so be it.

Yopu can talk about criminal charges for this and that, but that's all after the incident has occured, prevention is the best way, using education and restrictions.
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05-16-2008 01:26
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Nothing is wrong with that, except you wanted to add, criminal charges for kids and parents---and refuse to hear that SL needs to come up with real age verification--and say its all just the parent's fault and those who beneift financially from Porn, are fine...and a congressman is somehow wrong mentioning Second Life as a major concern.

This .pdf file says it quite clearly as to what is needed:




SL is working on a far stringent age verification system, currently in BETA

As for the PDF... good luck controlling what goes on outside the united sates. Many of the sites those children gain access to are over seas and not bound by the laws of the united states. And they can close shop and reopen in a matter of hours if they are blocked by some national firewall. Nor would there be any prevention of kids getting access through file sharing tools. As for the smut tax, it was tried once before and denied as being against the first amendment iirc when they tried to apply it to magazines sold to adults (it was a legislative means of forcing a control on the free speech of others)

And that is the kink that kills the anti-game laws... that wonderful first amendment right of free speech.

And yes I do want parents and kids to face the consequences for their actions. A kid getting onto the adult grid commits a violation of the TOS and gets the account deleted, but if they have fed false data into the age verification system they have committed fraud and should be punished appropriately ( after all you punish a kid for grabbing a couple toys and running out of a store). and if a court finds the parents were negligent then they should also face the consequences (much like they would be for letting a kid sit in the car with the engine running... and the kid hops in the drivers seat and puts it in gear)

Plus as mentioned a child on the adult grid is in position to ruin the lives of those they interact with, by using the fear of being labeled a child molester and stalker.
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05-16-2008 01:47
From: MortVent Charron
SL is working on a far stringent age verification system, currently in BETA



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05-16-2008 01:48
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Your dreams your imagination.


Hit the age verification tab in your account, look for the red text.
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05-16-2008 02:39
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I like that the news lady even wanted him to shutup.

'Thank you congr-' and I'm worried 'Yes, thank you, congressman.'
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05-16-2008 02:50
If you think SL is bad...

go to http://www.getafirstlife.com/

There are TERRIBLE and TRAGIC news stories every day about this "First Life" thing.

Some notable story's
Earthquake kills x ... (seems to repeat )
Tsunami again
Killings (every day)
rape (every day)

It's so bad that a large majority of things are not even news anymore.

The media has to poke fun at rare events like the guy that was killed by a frisky horse.

And worst of all there is no "go home" or "restart" button in "First Life". If you die in "First Life" you have to create a new account (if allowed) and restart from the beginning.

I would rather have kids on SL experiencing RP(Role Play) than have them in this totally unsafe "first life" thing.
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05-16-2008 02:50
From: Keira Wells
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I like that the news lady even wanted him to shutup.

'Thank you congr-' and I'm worried 'Yes, thank you, congressman.'



Hee you caught that too. I didn't want to be mean and mention it... but when a fox news reporter wants you to shut up already on a topic... you know they got the ratings boosting bit and want the ranting to end
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05-16-2008 02:54
From: MortVent Charron
Hee you caught that too. I didn't want to be mean and mention it... but when a fox news reporter wants you to shut up already on a topic... you know they got the ratings boosting bit and want the ranting to end

I say be mean all ya want =P

This guy is attacking SL making unsubstantiated (Please tell me I used that word right.. first time I've ever tried) allegations that SL is essentially invited sexual predators to pray on children. In truth his view, rather obviously to me, is that he doesn't like the things that go on in SL, and wants to give it a bad name. Therefore he did his best to work up some issue that might possible get enough publicity to do just that.

SL follows the rules it's required to, has age verification, even has a teen grid for the kids! I don't know the methods needed to get on the teen grid, but somehow I feel like it's probably safer than the main grid.

This senator is a troll, nothing more.

/me nods sagely.

(OMG I got trolled! Oh noez! Meh, whatever.. I don't like the guy)
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05-16-2008 06:05
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Ugh ...Ok...look MortVent...now I now you are not the most experienced person in the world, but srsly, its' PARENTS that are screaming to the congress to do something. It takes about 5 minutes to blow the whistle on SL. A kid can go into SL and in a very short time can be taking screenshots of themselves having sex with a donkey and messanging the image to all their friends.

I think the adult content in SL is part of SL, and I'd hate to see it whisked away by over zealous and heavy handed government officials, but truth be told, Kids CAN get into it easy and FOR FREE and this needs to stop, unless you want SL to be dragged through the most terrible kind of mud that makes society think ALL SL people are crazy and sick predators waiting around the prim trees.

Maybe someone will get a bright idea as to how to solve the problem, but one thing for sure is, putting it on parents as the sole responsiblity here, means parents calling their elected officials and telling them what their kids tell them about SL and what they know of themselves.

Keep in mind that without Washington, nothing gets done in terms of network stuff on a large scale and cleaning up the internet and making sure online games aren't full of porn that kids can see----and in SL "porn" is no longer just photos or videos and mere chats----it's interactive, squirting, messy, masturbatory, anonymous, violent, obsessive, spamming, stalking, and a peep show to boot......IT WILL TAKE AN ACT OF CONGRESS....to get these tech companies to fix it and still please the majority of people who do not want their privacy invaded in the process. It will take actual ingenuity and the force of laws to get it to happen.

SL has a big sign on it's figurative, forehead saying:

"Step right up, all you freaks, this is your brave new world. Live your fantasies. And even make money scamming naive people. Even kids can log in for free"

Ah,... hello? Anyone not able to foresee how that will turn out on the Local News?

You want the parents involved. so do I, but real parental involvement means getting congress to do something about Porn sites and Porn Games, that make it easy for kids to get in and people making money off porn (LL included, Server companies included, GOOGLE included....etc.) $$$business people$$$ who are trying to deny responsibility for all this are full of you know what.



No Dear, you are full of it. Here's a thought: Be a proper parent to your kid and stop looking for everyone else to do your job for you .... or terminate your internet connection, sell your computer, cancel your cable account and move out to the middle of nowhere.

I am so sick and tired of everyone looking for the easiest way out of this sort of thing. What happened to the real parents - you know, the ones that actually refused to allow anyone else to raise their kids?
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05-16-2008 07:52
From: Rebecca Proudhon
Nothing is wrong with that, except you wanted to add, criminal charges for kids and parents---and refuse to hear that SL needs to come up with real age verification--and say its all just the parent's fault and those who beneift financially from Porn, are fine...and a congressman is somehow wrong mentioning Second Life as a major concern.

This .pdf file says it quite clearly as to what is needed:



This sounds like empty political promises to me. It says there is existing fool proof technology that will keep children safe from on line pornography but it doesn't say what this technology is. It's hard for me to believe that such technology exists. If it did obviously it would be in the best interests of LL and others to implement it; the people who invented it would be rich. I can't imagine how it could possibly work and a quick Google search does not locate any reference to it.
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05-16-2008 11:56
From: Kaimi Kyomoon
This sounds like empty political promises to me. It says there is existing fool proof technology that will keep children safe from on line pornography but it doesn't say what this technology is. It's hard for me to believe that such technology exists. If it did obviously it would be in the best interests of LL and others to implement it; the people who invented it would be rich. I can't imagine how it could possibly work and a quick Google search does not locate any reference to it.



One plan is in a bill requiring legitimate proof of age, to get a credit card including the pre-paid cards. Then it requires all services to use the credit card method, which of course would mean actual verification of the credit card. In other words someone has to go through thr process of verification just to get the credit card and this means that issuers of credit crads have to apply strict standards of age verification and online services woyuld then have to use that system



Another system is a paid service called

Net IDme

[url=https://www.netidme.com/Welcome.aspx[/url]


explained as:

"Proving that you are who you say you are’ is important for the online world. NetIDme is a unique internet service that allows you to prove your identity online, and more importantly, check the identity of others. NetIDme verifies users’ identities when they sign up for the premium service, using a number of secure methods. Once fully verified, the service enables members to swap secure virtual ID cards (Net-IDs) when chatting anywhere on the Web. Exchanging Net-IDs before chatting online can significantly reduce the risk of being contacted by someone pretending to be someone they are not. A Net-ID only shows your first name, age, gender and region - enough information for most online interactions, without giving away personally identifiable details."

More:
"It is highly unlikely that a predator would try to obtain a NetIDme premium account, as the verification process, coupled with IP tracking tools, provides clear traceability, and removes anonymity - the very thing predators rely on. Computer crime specialists within the Scottish High Tech Crime Unit advised us that a paedophile would steer clear of a service like ours, as it provides obvious, transparent traceability. They stated that unfortunately, at the moment, there are many unprotected areas that predators can seek out children on the internet, and still remain anonymous. We aim to work with as many organisations as possible, in order to significantly reduce the opportunities for paedophiles to contact children online."

This system may not be a exact match for SL, but it is an example. One would not need to use their ID everytime they interact with people in SL, so it would be up to SL to take the responsibility to make sure each person had this kind of ID and it was verified. This system can include 3rd party real life, face to face confirmation.

What this does show is that it can be done and the same process could be used internally within SL with slight modifications.

Ultimately when you log on you want to know that people you may interact with are age verified, without having to take it on a case by case basis or putting it on land owners to be verifying ID.

Regardless what people want to say about all this, it is all inevitable, and if SL was smarter they would be the FIRST to implement this type of system proactively, within SL, considering that of all sites where porn may exist, SL is the most interactive and immersive. Do they really want to continue with their current "age-verification" method, when it is so clear that is totally ineffective, or do they want to wait till the mess hits the fan?

People are saying, "No one is going to bother" That is nonsense. They are going to have to, if they want to access sites, or even get credit cards, when bills are passed. Other countries are just as concerned about all this, as the US.
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05-16-2008 12:57
None of those address the important issues that is caused by the internet... let me put it another way.


If these laws are enacted, what stops all the companies from simply moving overseas where the laws are no longer applicable to them because they are not in the countries using the laws?

And said credit card verification fails when little johnny gets big johnny's credit card information...

And you hit one thing about the internet - it gives people limited anonymity to a point. What happens when your personal data is lost by said paid service with sites accessed? I imagine it being quite useful for destroying people's reputations

Besides who decides what sites are adult content?

Me, you, a group of fundamentalists, or a bunch of hippies? Whose morality will be used to try to legislatively censor the internet... and fail (The medium can not be legislated by one country... unless all countries actually agree to it. With some becoming open data havens, not likely to happen )

And nothing is inevitable other than companies slamming such laws down with lawyers like they do the foolish game laws that have been enacted for people screaming "think of the children" while listening to fear mongering.
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05-16-2008 16:08
From: MortVent Charron
None of those address the important issues that is caused by the internet... let me put it another way.


If these laws are enacted, what stops all the companies from simply moving overseas where the laws are no longer applicable to them because they are not in the countries using the laws?

And said credit card verification fails when little johnny gets big johnny's credit card information...

And you hit one thing about the internet - it gives people limited anonymity to a point. What happens when your personal data is lost by said paid service with sites accessed? I imagine it being quite useful for destroying people's reputations

Besides who decides what sites are adult content?

Me, you, a group of fundamentalists, or a bunch of hippies? Whose morality will be used to try to legislatively censor the internet... and fail (The medium can not be legislated by one country... unless all countries actually agree to it. With some becoming open data havens, not likely to happen )

And nothing is inevitable other than companies slamming such laws down with lawyers like they do the foolish game laws that have been enacted for people screaming "think of the children" while listening to fear mongering.


Yeah, credit card fails when Johnny gets dads CC, but what about Pete, Harry & Sally who can't get Dads CC or get caught by their parents trying to use it?
Compare that to the "click this if you are over 18" verification system we use now, what happens when all the above kids all click that box and get in? Does the law magically know and drag them from their respective contires into a USA court under charges of US law? I don't think so.
Door locks don't stop all theft but do a damn lot better job than a crayon picture of a lock does.
If I tagged my land as adult access only, I want LL to have taken pretty good steps to ensure those Avatars who can enter are adults, I wouldn't want to rely on a "click if you are 18" system and other peoples good parenting supervision.
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05-16-2008 16:31
From: Tegg Bode
Yeah, credit card fails when Johnny gets dads CC, but what about Pete, Harry & Sally who can't get Dads CC or get caught by their parents trying to use it?
Compare that to the "click this if you are over 18" verification system we use now, what happens when all the above kids all click that box and get in? Does the law magically know and drag them from their respective contires into a USA court under charges of US law? I don't think so.
Door locks don't stop all theft but do a damn lot better job than a crayon picture of a lock does.
If I tagged my land as adult access only, I want LL to have taken pretty good steps to ensure those Avatars who can enter are adults, I wouldn't want to rely on a "click if you are 18" system and other peoples good parenting supervision.


here is a fun fact: many adults don't have credit cards, and not all debit/credit cards will work online due to bank restrictions (including overseas transactions)

Which is why LL has their beta lock system in testing, users have to decide to use it though. along with the land settings... because some areas of the adult grid are not all about sex and things the innocent children sneaking onto the grid shouldn't see - of course from what I could see... the verification only works for us based users

Of course after the graphical depictions online, we'll need to lock away books that have violence and sex in them from the kids at the public library... hide the television unless you can lock it onto the proper channels... so fox is right out for the kiddies with their news coverage tactics
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06-29-2009 18:27
This was in response to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvqWUsb-Sg&feature=channel

Apparently, this topic was started about some other Second Life is destroying our childrens' fragile pshyce Faux News scare video. Sorry for the confusion but, still pretty much the same point.

Being a concerned parent myself I sent a personal message to Republican Congressman Mark Kirk thanking him for revealing this shockingly shocking shockpose...shockingly.

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Second Life Shocking!
Thanks for your shocking piece on this awful Second Life game! Having children myself, I had no idea if left unsupervised my children could be exposed to such terrible stuff on the internet!!!!
Now, I keep my computer locked in the attic, surrounded by an electrical field and force my children to wear shock collars just in case. I've made it a game by telling the children the Ice Queen, the Boogie Man and Gay Couples who want equal rights live in our attic so they stay away. Thanks!!!!!


Of course, he's Republican so he'll probably take this literally though.
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06-29-2009 18:39
From: Tormented Twilight
Being a concerned parent myself I sent a personal message to Republican Congressman Mark Kirk thanking him for revealing this shockingly shocking shockpose...shockingly.



Of course, he's Republican so he'll probably take this literally though.


Couldn't find a post written on this subject within the last year to comment on? :confused:
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06-29-2009 18:42
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Couldn't find a post written on this subject within the last year to comment on? :confused:


Mmmm...sorry was just searching, didn't see the post date. I thought this was a topic about this video that was just posted by Fox Nows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPvqWUsb-Sg&feature=channel
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06-29-2009 18:45
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Cirian, you're mixing parental responsiblity with Linden Lab's responsibility. Yes they state that the adult grid is for adults 18 years old or older and that if you are 13 to 17 you can join the teen grid. They have safeguards in place to make it difficult for the average adult in enter the teen grid.........they do not make it even a challenge for the children to get into the adult grid. That is what makes that agrument irrelevant.

I'm not agruing that parents need to keep their own children safe from predaters........and yes they are out there (even in SL, I'm afraid). I'm simply saying that the news video did not state one false "fact". Not mentioning that adult grid is for 18+ is not lying.........the fact is that there is nothing to enforce the "rule" so it might as well not be there. Not mentioning that there is a teen grid......gee, it was not about the teen grid. It was about the SL adult grid. No reason whatsoever to mention something that the news article is not about.

Again, tell me where a lie was told.



Well, to start with, he calls Second Life a social networking site and implies that it's available over publicly accessible computers.

Another thing, Second Life has more hurdles to jump than a typical Pron site.

What REALLY pisses me off about these videos, is that they're full of misinformation, and there's never a response section where people who actually know how it all works can make corrections
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06-29-2009 18:50
Remember how terrifying Moms of America would have had us believe in the early 90s that Mortal Kombat 1 was going to turn our children into mindless harpoon and fireball flinging ninja zombies?
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06-29-2009 19:03
From: DancesWithRobots Soyer
Well, to start with, he calls Second Life a social networking site and implies that it's available over publicly accessible computers.

Another thing, Second Life has more hurdles to jump than a typical Pron site.

What REALLY pisses me off about these videos, is that they're full of misinformation, and there's never a response section where people who actually know how it all works can make corrections


You mean people like LL?

I've never once seen ANY response from LL refuting these scandal stories out there in the general press. They should be defending their product yet they do nothing.
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