Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Do it

I have the same thought: what everyone who opposes the use of bots to game search ought to really do is go out and make 100 bots each, load them onto empty 16m plots with all the best keywords plugged into place.

It is accepted in this thread that if every single merchant on this platform were to engage in the exact same practice as Phil, the resulting slew of bots would undoubtedly grind the system resources down to a halt.

So let's all do it. Let's all make 100 bots and park em where ever. Because if Phil can do it, screw it, so can I, and why shouldn't I? I mean, I'd be stupid not to use the same techniques as my competitors to increase my sales, and gosh knows I wouldn't want Phil Deakins to think I was stupid.


This is exactly the point of what is wrong about using bots to game traffic and alter search result. If everyone did it, it would grind the system to a halt. It is a system of advertising that not everyone can use without dire consequences for grid stability or accessablity. If everyone used it as a form of advertisng, no one would be able to use the platform.


That makes it unfair for anyone to use in that manner.

Bots... eh, who cares.

It is the intent of the trafficbot runner I find offensive. Which is to have an unfair advantage over his competition thru the misuse of a system not designed nor intended to be gamed in the manner they are gaming it.

No. I am saying that you would prefer to "win" rather than to actually be correct, let alone consider the information presented by others.

I think that is obvious to all.

Thank you Pie.

to be honest, with such a setup i can live with and prolly shop at their place aswell as this isn`t cramming 50 bots in a 10x10 skybox and you can see the actual product befor buying

Your "greed" remark was a slur on me and others like me. It didn't mention me by name, but it was about people who do what I do. If you don't want the ones you are talking about to respond, and even react to slurs you cast on them, then don't cast slurs in the first place.

Example of a good way:-
Imo, gaming traffic = greed.

Your way:-
Gaming traffic = greed.

See the difference? In the first you would be stating your opinion. In the second, the one you actually used, you are stating it as a fact. The first way is the way forum posts should be written, unless what is being said really is a fact. Stating a mere opinion as a fact, when the opinion is a slur on people, is bound to get responses that you may not want. But even in the snippet that you quoted, I didn't say that you are greedy - as a fact. I said that I have no doubt of it.

Yes all search gaming should go - to allow for a more level playing field for all.

The search is intended to be fair. Not a nonsense patchwork of gamed systems.

Wish I knew where Zaphod put that quote by Robin Linden, because she says right in it they wanted a system that was fair to all.

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The rest of that garbage is ridiculous. I never said anything about banning public sex areas, etc,etc.

And Banking is already banned.

Are you saying you actually want scammers on the grid?

Oh please

Everyone knows the stuff said around here is Opinion.

Unless someone goes out and says "AND THAT IS A FACT"

That is a given.

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You are one to talk!

You are the one to claims to have proven things you never did, or that everyone has accepted things they never did.

You really talk in riddles and to be honest not very convincingly

If you really want proof to the assumptions i have made.....i offer you this challenge.

You do a 24 hour research into shopping habits of people. Select a dozen well established business location that use Bots......TP overthere and observe the customers that are milling around looking at products. If you want to take it one stage further for clarity sake...approach potential customers and ask them this 1 single question.
" Would you still be happying purchasing a product from here knowing that this particular shop uses Traffic bots to enhance their position in Places Search"

If you can't find the appropiate locations, i can send you a dozen Landmarks for you to view. Hopefully at the end of this exercise you might have a valid opinion!

Is it any wonder that the same old arguments come up again and again, when sensible people make statements like that. There are no slots that avs take. Removong one bot doesn't leave a slot that a person can take. I thought that was common knowledge by now.

Tut tut....resorting to twisting people's comments! Low blow!

I actually dislike the same things you do....but unlike you I don't make it my mission.
I can adapt to what's presented in front of me in SL. You just moan and whine away all day long!

How about 100 bots?

You have never established anything as common knowledge- You just Think you have.

No one knows how much trafficbots contribute to the high load problems.

You just assume its so low that it doesn't matter.

But how low is that compared to an active account?

1/10th,1/100th, 1/1000th

You do not know.

No one does.

Twist? it was a question.

You told me to stop complaining about things. You mentioned SL banks which are scams.

trafficbots are a scam too.

So you're saying that, if a large clothing shop has more than one or 2 models, it's wrong? Can't they have 8 or 10 of them if they have a lot to show? One for each range of clothing perhaps? Why do you draw the line at just 1 or 2?

Come on Gabrielle.....lets not twist things around to attempt to make a valid defence. You're really grasping at straws when you do that!
Maybe I should wear glasses.....because nowhere in the below quoted items
can i see "... *one day* if bot use escalation continues."

Can you point out please....as i have trouble seeing it!









As you can see from above....Collette is asking how many businesses there are now in SL to base her wayward assumption of 500,000 bots. She does not ask " how many shops,venues clubs will there be *one day* in SL."

Dam, you have a fetish for sexy Bots? lol and if there is 600 more sim owners with the same fetish (well 599 if you include me) maybe we should start a group lmao

If every single merchant used even 50 trafficbots to alter search, what would happen to grid stability or accessablity or even the search system as a useful tool?

Now add in every club owner. And Land Realtor.

I'm sure it would make LL gleeful with concurrancy numbers success, but what would it do for the overall grid? For search as a useful system? For this platform as a business platform?

If trafficbots were used equally by all merchants and persons who had an interest in having favorable search result within the SL platform the system would implode.



Rene, you do seem to make a lot of comments for someone who has said they didn't care much about the topic. I think you do care. Go on, admit it... you do.


Twists and turns and drama all aside, the real issue is that traffic needs to die.




I thought people understood that logins are resticted occasionally due to excessive high loads. Gosh, you'd think that message you get when you try to log in and can't because there's already too many avatars present on the SL platform would have made that common knowledge.

It was an Extrapolation.

I definitely WAS referring to a future of unhindered Trafficbots.

Its the simple process of exponential expansion.

A lot of people 100 years ago would have Balked if you told then in a mere two hundred years the Population of the world would be over 6 billion.


How many trafficbots would there be if every single store and venue on the grid decided to use 20?

A Hell of a lot.

Assuming continued growth if you asked the same question in a year--

A Hell of a lot more.

hey!


i will join the group - my island now has 99 hot guys on grining at me

Havn`t gone in world today yet, but last I saw there was a button to click so you can go from first page to the second to third etc....

Is someone is comparison shopping then they usualy will take the half second to click the button and see who else has the particular product . I do anyway.

Then again sometimes I jus buy from the first one I spot if I like the product and price, but in that case, I`m not in the process of comparison shopping so obviously not to concerned at the time wether I could find it cheaper elsewhere

If it were 10,000 venues and shops on the grid

and every one had 50 Trafficbots

then you are at 500,000.

Simple.

I think you're aware what i really meant....i think you must be very good at slalom skiing .....as you have a natural propensity to twist things!

ok, let me re-phrase.....an externally logged in client (Sleek bots or whatever other brand)

You owe me a new keyboard now ruined with coffee but i do agree with some of the posts that traffic as it is has to die, hey even Phil agrees with that one

But if nothing else this thread has turned into great entertainment when at the end of the day the only ones that can make the changes are LL

Well, honestly?

That type of forum behavior sounds like a LOT more people than just Phil...

What a great grid load test for LL at least we and they would see the scalability of the grid as it is now, has anyone considered that this might be one of the reasons that LL allows then atm? Same with picks and all the other things that are being allowed, we are all helping LL develop new ways to do things

Just a thought

Rene, Phil, Bella - and the rest who tend to do this.

Interpretation is not "twisting"

Unless someone actually says "X said that" and its a deliberate change it is not "twisting".

Its interpretation, and if someone misinterprets your words, there is a decent chance its because you were not specific enough about what you meant.

Simply explain why you were misinterpreted. Or tell someone "Thats not what I said" or "Thats not what I meant"

People make misinterpretations all the time, all of you who throw the "twist" accusations around do it as much as anyone else.

Throwing around this "twist" stuff all the time like theres some grand conspiracy to purposefully alter the meaning of what you say - comes off looking really paranoid.