Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

It lets you post, it just buggers up the order.

His competitors need to be big boys and work it out for themselves. They need to find ways to promote themselves. too many people are like the kid who'd go home rather than be on the losing team in a football match.

Everytime it did that before (in the years its been doing it) it didn't post for me - I deleted all the repetitions


This is nonsense- the Traffic metric was designed as a level play field, some people messed it up - and now that it serves those with trafficbots

everyone else is just supposed to shrug and go okay?

**WHY?**

did someone kill the right to have an opinion about corruption in the marketplace?

The problem is the game has moved on and time has passed you by. The good old days of 2004 and 2005 when SL was tiny by comparison and all the Pioneers were here living it up have gone. We've gone through so many development cycles and cultural changes. The demographics of this game has changed.....US citizens amounts to less than 40% nowadays. We as citizens are constantly required to adapt to the new road map.

Yes, SL is slowly starting to clean things up, like adfarms, banks, land extortion etc etc.....and one day bots will disappear too (mostly likely by giving up traffic counting).
These changes are not being done because of small pressure groups.....LL has its own agenda to furfll and wants to market this platform as being viable to companies to do business in...it wants a 3D WWW of which the SL platform will be its pioneer.

Like i said before, a lot of my competitors in my business sector use traffic or camping bots. On the most common keyword used, I'm listed 190th in Places Search !!! rofl
I really can't get too uptight about the situation......so i choose to ignore Places Search and focus on other areas. Good luck to them!

Sorry sweetie. No offense intended.

I could indeed, but I see no reason to. I don't do anything that other businesses can't do, and it's not my responsibility to take care of them.

What motivates you is of no interest to me. What motivates me is competing - even against myself. And nobody can fault that.

I'm the same as you then - I never cheat anyone. What you call cheating here isn't cheating. You don't need to take my word for it. Read other people's posts in this thread. If someone thinks that something is cheating, then don't do it.

When you get right down to it, some people find fault with certain things, some people don't find fault with them, and most people don't care one way or the other. Those who find fault are right for themselves, those who don't find fault are right for themselves, and those who don't care are right for themselves too. It's not a moral issue, so nobody has any high ground. We are all right for ourselves.

The sooner that people learn to live and let live, the better it will be. The best idea is for each person to take care of their own little corners of SL, according to their own principles, and leave others to take care of theirs. If anyone thinks that something ought not to be allowed, then the place to raise it is at LL. Raising it here is futile, and is detrimental to the forum. Witness how long it has been since bots were first raised here - futile. And witness the holding back of useful information here because of people who can't mind their own business - detrimental to the forum.

Yes I realize things have changed. Theres a higher proportion of Greedy, Scam-Happy, and Apathetic people in SL these days.

Course Gabby, Phil does manage through sheer mind boggling annoyance to get every single one of these Bot threads closed.

It is beginning to mirror the real world, there will always be winners and losers. The power of the "Greenback"

In any of those search engines if you have a sector with a 1000 competitors making the same product...its obvious that 90% won't be on the 1st page of Places search and unlikely to be viewed.

Type in "Skins" in Places Search......and you'll see the 100th entry has a traffic value of 18853.....the 200th entry has a value of 9035!!. I can tell you now, that most places that have genuine shopping traffic 24/7 would probably register somehwere between 500 -5000 max in traffic units through customers milling around in any given shop. There are few exceptions of course like ETD, Last Call, Celesrial and some other big brands......but in general you can expect to hover between the ranges i specified. You can see that the first 200 entires for that "keyword" must have additional traffic to the real shopping traffic.

yep - its gamed to hell.

People cheating the system.

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I have a different definition of loser than you do though.

As soon as someone cheats to get ahead - They lose something.

Like i said before, you're average shopper doesn't care as long as they can find their product. Alot are not even aware of the green dots....the whole bot story only effects competitors within that sector and a few purists like yourself who argue on the basis of principles.

Like i said before, you're average shopper doesn't care as long as they can find their product. Alot are not even aware of the green dots....the whole bot story only effects competitors within that sector and a few purists like yourself who argue on the basis of principles.

And that is why Phil doesn't want to put up the sign, he knows (and will deny it with his last breath) that it will cost him sales when people are informed of how he gets so high in traffic and search.

The fact that the average person doesn't really care about Second Life beyond their ability to play house ...

Is not a redeeming feature. Its just sad.

so principles are a bad thing?

Guess that includes ethics and morals as well.

And so the masses are ignorant, yet like in the really real world... when they learn they tend to react poorly to deceitful and questionable actions of businesses.

Sony's many screwups with DRM for example come to mind real easily.

And that is why Phil doesn't want to put up the sign, he knows (and will deny it with his last breath) that it will cost him sales when people are informed of how he gets so high in traffic and search.

Ahh cool. SO if someone doesn't like an aspect of Second Life,

like say Trafficbots...

Instead of speaking up about it,

They should just leave.


Great plan. Well sort of. Well actually its a dumb plan.

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Easier Idea! If you don't like hearing people complain about trafficbots don't open the bot threads

We particpate in these threads to provide alternative views and feelings regarding traffic bots....otherwise it would just be a one-sided witch hunt of Phil and his bots..

I think Phil likes the conflict in these threads more than it first appears. It gets them closed a lot faster.

This particular one is mild, usually he is busy escalating the personal attacks.

You could look at it another way!
I haven't looked at Places Search in a long while, not until today because of this thread. Just typing some popular keywords its apparent that there must be several hundred out there using Bots of sorts.....or an armada of alts or campers or whatever. Phil is the only user that has been bold enough to write into these forums giving us non-users some perspective regarding traffic bots.....i haven seen anyone else on here.

I also know you'd be surprised who actually uses these Bots, the list of companies.....some of which are old established names....people who have been around as long as you have.

do you think people will buy just because traffic numbers are high?

I tend to give people more credit than that, and regardless of what tempted them there, they will only buy what they want and like

I am actually surprised the other bot farmers aren't telling him to STFU and stop bringing their name further into the gutter personally.

Missing the question more than once smacks of inattention.

Missing the question in what you are quoting, and stating that there has not been a question smacks of a monologue.

Your posting are full of confused thinking and contradictions.

On delisting:

THIS IS A QUESTION PHIL
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Why do you link spamming and the risk of delinking?

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THAT WAS A QUESTION PHIL . Yoo hoo

And from his response to a question that I was hoping you would answer as well, he's not worried about morals or ethics. In his response he'd stated he don't care about anything but price and the items he wants, and some could use that to say that he'd buy an item off the back of a truck simply because it was half the price compared to a store.

People buy crap that has been spamvertised.
The spammers flood the net with millions of emails in the hope that unthinking people will buy.
The people who buy spamvertised offerings are 'only buying what they want and like. I hope that both they and the spammers rot.

People don't buy because the traffic numbers are high.
Traffic (and picks) are assumed to be an indication of worth.
People using Search to find articles will be strongly influenced to buy at locations that are ranked hight in Search.
1. The implication of worth
2. They will buy as soon as they hit a place that has something acceptable. Fatigue and lack of time set in.

The idea that search gaming is good for the buyers is totally bogus.
Search gaming only benefits the gamers.