Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Bots use somewhere between ---

NO GRID RESOURCES and THE SAME AS ACTIVE ACCOUNTS

"minuscule" in this context is meaningless, because the undefined amount gets multiplied by all the trafficbots on the grid.

If 10 Bots equal one active account then 10,000 Bots equal 1000 active accounts.

So unless we know the comparative number we don't know how "minuscule" Phil's "minuscule" is.


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Remember ..

If his Ego is any indication of his sense of scale, "minuscule" could be a HUGE amount.

My personal view is that I doubt big business will come into SL. I'm inclined to think that businesses will have their own grids to connect to the WWG that LL is working towards, but will have no control over. SL is the devopment system for the WWG, but I imagine it will remain as a part of the WWG in which people can 'play'. I don't envisage them sticking two fingers up, but it's my personal view of what's ahead.

Ahh the old "It could be worse" argument.

Well burn that bridge when we get there, thanks.

Wow Phil...you ever get the feeling you're being gang-banged by the "Forum Cartel" ?


This to me is just another confrontation between the "vocal minority" versus the "silent majority".
The silent majority, being those that login, arrange to meet up with some friends, turn up at events, go dancing at clubs, participate in some roleplay,do some camping to earn a few lindens, have pixel sex with their partners, do some home decorating, try their hand at building, go around shopping for the things they desire........and then log off!

Bots...what bots?.....and who really cares!.....apart from the vocal minority!


The only viable solution long term is to allow bots as they do have some useful functionality like being Group inviters or modelling creator content....at the same time LL can a totally disgard traffic as a measure in Places search.....that will cause bot farms to disappear overnight.

Then the vocal minority will have to focus another worthy cause.....as the rest of us go about our daily SL lives enjoying it for what it is.

Missing the question more than once smacks of inattention.
Missing the question in what you are quoting, and stating that there has not been a question smacks of a monologue.




Nope.

Your posting are full of confused thinking and contradictions.
On delisting:




THIS IS A QUESTION PHIL
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Why do you link spamming and the risk of delinking?

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THAT WAS A QUESTION PHIL . Yoo hoo

Thank you for that bit of philosophy, Mr Nixon couldn't have said it better himself.

Bottom line Colette, just who is Phil harming?

Land scams hurt.

Ad farms hurt.

Extortion parcels hurt.

Ginko hurt.

Who does Phil hurt?

This is already true. Ask an oldbie about GOM. That would be the resident developed and run currency exchange prior to the Lindex. After that incident, the idea of spending anytime developing anything within this platform along the lines of a 'real' business was absolutely absurd to me.

It would also be one of the reasons so many of the people who first began developing this platform for Linden Lab are now off developing their own grids.




Only in his perception of his own manhood



a) Phil lives for it.
b) I certainly am not a member of any "cartel"
c) It's ok if you don't care. But some people do.
d) Why do people who don't care bother to post that they don't care? Do they care that we know that they don't care?



Honest merchant who see the use of trafficbots as objectionable because if everyone did it and not just Phil it would grind SL to a halt. Christ even Phil admits that.

those that used to rely on the search for accurate information, through deception and using his bots like many others he's manipulated search to give misleading information (and admits it's not what was intended when it was started). To the point LL is moving into a new search method, that is already being manipulated (wish they had simply used it like the network search appliance, and relied on keywords only. Just like it searches through word and excel files on a network's data servers)

In effect he's using his bots to show his business as being far more busy with customers than it is, in real world terms he has employees running in and out the front doors so he can say X number of people pass through the doors daily

And from his response to a question that I was hoping you would answer as well, he's not worried about morals or ethics. In his response he'd stated he don't care about anything but price and the items he wants, and some could use that to say that he'd buy an item off the back of a truck simply because it was half the price compared to a store.

So what is your response to the question? Would you shop at a RL store that used employees to boost the traffic count through their doors?

His competitors

Those looking to buy low prim furniture.

His neighbors

His fellow residents (by some unmeasured degree)

Linden Lab's reputation to people looking to start new businesses of content creation.

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Its not just Phil, its ALL the hundreds of Phils out there.

His competitors

Those looking to buy low prim furniture.

His neighbors

His fellow residents (by some unmeasured degree)

Linden Lab's reputation to people looking to start new businesses of content creation.

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Its not just Phil, its ALL the hundreds of Phils out there.

His competitors.

Those looking to buy low prim furniture.

His neighbors.

His fellow residents (by some unmeasured degree).

Linden Lab's reputation to people looking to start new businesses of content creation.

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Its not just Phil, its ALL the hundreds of Phils out there.

OMG the forums are doing the dam 500 error constantly now




His competitors

Those looking to buy low prim furniture.

His neighbors

His fellow residents (by some unmeasured degree)

Linden Lab's reputation to people looking to start new businesses of content creation.

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Its not just Phil, its ALL the hundreds of Phils out there.

Yes! I pay Linden Lab tier when they do exactly that. We all bloody well do. Well those of us who pay tier. Concurrency figures are bloated by bots, overall accounts are bloated by bots and alts.

Phil's business is not one where traffic is a selling point. As I said earlier, if a mall owner were using Phil's tactics I'd find that out of order, traffic is a selling point for people who rent at malls, that traffic needs to be genuine.

Well Ciaran ,

If it would actually let me post without constant 500 errors and freezes, I would tell you.


For starters - His competitors get hurt.

Expecting them to engage the same shady business tactics is really stupid.

those that used to rely on the search for accurate information, through deception and using his bots like many others he's manipulated search to give misleading information (and admits it's not what was intended when it was started). To the point LL is moving into a new search method, that is already being manipulated (wish they had simply used it like the network search appliance, and relied on keywords only. Just like it searches through word and excel files on a network's data servers)

In effect he's using his bots to show his business as being far more busy with customers than it is, in real world terms he has employees running in and out the front doors so he can say X number of people pass through the doors daily

And from his response to a question that I was hoping you would answer as well, he's not worried about morals or ethics. In his response he'd stated he don't care about anything but price and the items he wants, and some could use that to say that he'd buy an item off the back of a truck simply because it was half the price compared to a store.

So what is your response to the question? Would you shop at a RL store that used employees to boost the traffic count through their doors?

In this instance...no Phil isn't hurting anybody as he sells what he advertises and by all accounts (reading these forums)....his products are very good. So i don't think it hurts Joe Public......maybe a few Furnitures makers listed below Places search might have their own opinion....but that would be agenda based.

Ah but he is using the traffic as an advertising method to manipulate search results, just like a store can use it to convince people they have good quality items by stating they get so many people walking through their doors.

Traffic does play a role in his business, stores that seem popular with high customer visits tend to show up higher in search. So people see the traffic and when they are in the dark about his use of bots, well they don't realize those numbers are deceptive in regards to his customer numbers.

It lets you post, it just buggers up the order.

His competitors need to be big boys and work it out for themselves. They need to find ways to promote themselves. too many people are like the kid who'd go home rather than be on the losing team in a football match.

Modelling bots do the same. Having your workshop on the same parcel does the same. Having sales assistants in your store does the same. Having a mall and a club in the same parcel does the same.



If his products were crap then no amount of high traffic would get him the reputation for selling good quality products he has. His product line delivers. I doubt many people look at Phil's traffic, they search, they find Phil's store, they like what they see.

So what happens if a couple of his competitors decide to set up a single plot with a bunch of bots, prims, and 1 low prim item so there is no falsehood in the keywords... and use all the questionable tools available to simply push a message into the search that he's using bots and other tools to manipulate search... and manage to get their parcel to list first.

Would that be fine? Since they would be educating the ignorant masses of what is going on.

Generally negative advertising isn't considered a good ploy. They'd also probably get ar'd left, right and centre but if someone was to use Phil's tactics to try and negatively abuse Phil I'd wager that Phil would be the winner.

How would it be abuse to demonstrate how he is manipulating search, especially since he's admitted to using the techniques in the forums.

It's just spreading the word to more than the few that read the forums.

Since they wouldn't be doing anything he isn't already doing, there would be no AR for the tools used.

Since they would be telling the same information he is, there would be no AR for the information since it would be the truth.

So where would the AR come from?

After all it'd be less abusive and harassment qualified than many of his forum posts.

You think naming and shaming in adverts isn't an ar offence? I'd be extremely surprised if that is allowed.

I'll tell you this MortVent if I saw someone abusing someone like that in search the first thing I'd think is that were bitter and twisted cry babies. I'd be far more likely to buy from the person they're abusing. Negative advertising really is the pits.

Everytime it did that before (in the years its been doing it) it didn't post for me - I deleted all the repetitions


This is nonsense- the Traffic metric was designed as a level play field, some people messed it up - and now that it serves those with trafficbots

everyone else is just supposed to shrug and go okay?

**WHY?**

did someone kill the right to have an opinion about corruption in the marketplace?