Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Oh please! If the world only had greed then we would not even have these. The point was not that there was or was not greed but whether everyone is only motivated by greed.

EDIT: It is interesting to note now that the justifications have shifted to it all being fine because everyone is essentially greedy. My, oh my how base the pro arguments have become.

You might want to check out the salaries of some of these charity workers before you start pointing out that charity isn't motivated by greed.

Even if it is for *some people* in *some organisations*- that does not equate to *all people* in *all organisations* which was the assertion - that everyone is motivated by greed. Or are you trying to say that no one gives of themselves unselfishly in any charity? I would give this line of reasoning up if I were you, you cannot win it.

Absolute balderdash, show me someone who isn't motivated by greed. Wave money in front of someone and see how long it takes them to be motivated by greed, it won't take long.

Greed is not the only motivating factor, that's for sure.

If everyone was greedy and unscrupulous SL simply wouldn't exist.

Everyone would be looking to make money off of everyone else and the end result would be that noone puts in any US$ and then noone can cash out.

Those who could not create what they need could just copybot what they want since there's a "net profit" from getting something that you would have otherwise paid for for free as well.

*waves* There are a great many things in life far more important than money and personal gain. Sure, money is nice and all, but if it requires me to go against my principles, thanks but no thanks. I'd rather be poor.

How come you make such basic errors, Gabriele? Who saif that "everyone" is motivated by greed? Do try and keep up

Interesting indeed. I wonder who it was who started the "greed" discussion

Lets put it in a real world example:

A store claims they have over 200 people travel through their doors an hour!

Upon arrival you see a section near the entrance closed off with sheets and stuff, and a meter over the door showing how many people pass through the doors. Yet you see very few walking into the mall or out of it.

The meter keeps climbing steadily every minute

Do you peek behind the curtain, and see what's going on?

They told the truth about the number of people passing through, just didn't mention it's caused mainly by paid employees in the cordoned off section running in and out of the doors.


Basically it's bots in a box.

Now answer this: Would you shop there?

There are many people not motivated by greed, whilst we all fall prey to it sometimes (we are human after all) that is not the same as being motivated by it. I am not motivated by greed and there are many like me. If I were motivated by it there are many things I could do to increase both my SL and RL earnings but they would compromise me as a person and so I do not do them. I don't do them because they are wrong and underhand. I prefer to sleep well at night than gain more money. I also beleive that the means does not justify the end and do not beleive that gaining as much money by any means is just fine. This is a big indicator that I am not motivated by greed. There are others here who even if they do not have a strong feeling against using bots still do not employ those techniques to gain more money. They are not motivated by greed either. They could in many cases I suspect - it is not that they are prevented from doing it - but they choose not to.
Again I say it - Do not judge others by your own motivations.
You cannot know what motivates everyone or that everyone has the same motivations.

I think you are having the difficulties. It is funny that you consider my opinions and responses as having errors. Errors like spelling perhaps? What is "saif"? Maybe it is that god complex at work.

What is Monet? A painter? The whole sentence that is in make no sense at all. And who said anything about a world without greed? Please Phil, keep up if you can.

Also who said that business increasing profits is bad? Nobody, but you took that meaning - again please try to keep up. You make as many errors as anyone.

And just in case you need a reminder - greed has been a recurrent theme throughout this and other threads about this issue because that is what is at the root of the motivation of what bot farmers do.

However feel free to continue to pick me up on errors, technicalities and mistakes instead of addressing the real issues.

Gabriele, my dear, allow me to educate you as little. People who strive for hiugher earning and such are not necessarily "motivated by greed". You do keep going off at a tangent. Example: I am never motivated by money. That doesn't mean that I don;t want it, but it's never my motivation. I'm never in a situation where I actually need more money. My motivation is the score, as in a game, and the business score is measured in profits.

You do have a tendancy to fallacy. It would much better if you respond to what is actually written rather than what you would like to have been written.

Actually Many people have told him. Prior to be muted I told him at least twice.

I can only assume at this point he does it as an intentional slight.

Its his favorite argument

"Vast Majority" Is of course the same thing.

O... so that must be why you think "gaming" the system is ok.





Well, lol, I mean, I am a bit dyke-y. I'm pretty ok with it tho, so any attempt at a slight would be wasted.

The point I would make is that just because Phil Deakins says it, it doesn't make it true.

Wow, Patronize much?

No Gabriele. Errors like when I writes that most people are greedy in the sense that has been described here, you reply that I said "everyone" is greedy in the way that has been described. It's called "argument from fallacy", Gabriele. You are arguing about a fallacy of yours.

It wasn't me who inroduced it, Gabriele, and I didn't suggest that it was you. Please read carefully

Wrong again, my dear. I equated greed with businesses trying to increase profits. In that sense I admitted to being greedy. Nobody said that increasing profits is bad, but somebody said it is greed. Careful reading of the posts will help you

There you go again. Yes I know that it's need a recurring theme. The false idea that making profits is greed doesn't escape you people

Thank you. I will. I don't think you deserve it but I'll try to help you when I can

Well there is the additional point that it is a slimy tactic, whether or not it bothers you.

But Phil is good for slimey tactics.

I have a tendancy to fallacy? Pot meet kettle. Maybe some "hiugher" education is needed for you also?

Your motivations are even worse and pettier than greed it seems. You should have stuck with greed instead of apsiring for lower ground.

When you respond to what is written instead of what you want to read then so will others. It is funny and tragically sad how the things you so harshly attack me and others over are the very things you do yourself.

I`m a little confused
People keep saying that traffic bot`s somehow, "Inflate " traffic numbers.
As far as I can tell, traffic numbers simply register the number of Avatars that have been present on a parcel in a given time period.

Where is it stated that said avatars have to be actual User`s avatars and not so called "Bot" avatars?

Bot or actual person, either way, the avatar is or was present on the parcel.

Without an official statement to that effect that traffic numbers are only meant represent real live people .
I don`t see how this is some sort of deceptive practice in a and of itself.

Just becuase a person Assumes that those green dot`s on the map or those numbers that show up in the aboutland are all and every single one actualy people run avatars, is not the fault of the person who put them there.

Besides, LL take advantage of traffic bots as well as any other bot on the grid.
Anybody ever see anything under the Concurrency numbers their so proud of that says "Warning some of these are Bots not real people"

I havn`t, seems they use these so-called "Infalted" numbers to their own advantage as well.
High Concurrency makes Secondlife look more "Popular" to investers as well as potential new residents.
Why aren`t more people accusing LL of "Gaming traffic"?

Higher concurency numbers or " Traffic" improve a virtual worlds "Relevance" in "Search" for an investor.
Only real difference I see is the investors have people doing the search instead of a piece of software.

So why isn`t LindenLabs being drug through the mud as much as the rest of the people who actually Create the bots that Linden Labs themselves are taking full advantage of?

You're deliberately mixing issues. People are motivated by greed, that is an undeniable fact. Greed does not need to be the primary factor to make that true, greed does not need to be the only factor to make that true.

There's a threshold where greed will kick in, people have different thresholds. Saying you wouldn't be greedy if the circumstances compromised your moral compass is a far cry from saying you wouldn't be greedy full stop.

ROFL you use a fallacy to say she is using a fallacy.

Your argument above is an Appeal to Common Practice.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-common-practice.html

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And your two favorite arguments are also fallacies:

Appeal to Popularity (Many if not Most, Vast Majority)

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

And of course Ad Hominem ad nauseum.
(calling multiple people stupid idiots who don't actually believe their opinions but just stir shit)

Where did I say that "you" said everyone? I am pretty certain you inferred it though and that was the basis for the line of discussion.

It is bizarre how you fail to understand basic language and simple logic. Are you saying Greed is NOT Bad? Well I was definitely saying the opposite - you can quote me on that. You are the one missing the point completely. People have never said making profit is bad or greedy - only that making profit using scummy underhand business tactics. How can you miss that?

Again pot calling kettle - you are guilty of not reading everything correctly either - yet you take other to task. Massively hypocritical Phil.

Help thyself first.

No love. I actually do respond to what's written. Try reading again - you'll see

LOL. I am sorry if you find it aggravating that I don't even need the thousands of US$ I take out of SL every month

No love. If you actually read the posts, you will see that I always respond to what is actually written. It's you who has a tendancy to fallacy. And you've just done it again. If you read carefully, you'll see that I am only talking about you - not others. I realise that it helps you to feel that I am lumping you with others on the fallacy point, and you're not alone, but I'm not. It's just you.

No I don't think I am mixing anything. This all stemmed from you and Phil making assertions that waving money in front of anyone would make them greedy for it. Nobody before that said that making more money was greedy, only that doing *anything* to gain more money without regards to the dirty, subversiveness of it was greedy.
Then Phil trots out his job analogy which again missed the point that increasing your own wealth is not a problem until it is something you have to do for it compromises you. You then chime in with your waving money scenario. Well I can tell you that there are many people who you could wave your money in front of all day and it would not make any difference to. Me included.

Would I seek to increase my earning? Yes - not greed.
Would I do underhand scummy things to achieve the same? No but if I did at that point I would be motivated by greed.

hahahaha deluded on that front too - not just a god complex.

I would prefer it if you stop calling me love also, I am not your love nor ever likely to be.