Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

I didn't see the question earlier, Mort. I will shop in any place that has what I want - if they have it at a competitive price, of course.

It is not clear if SL itself will be sustainable if SL business becomes identical to RL business. And, you can see by this very thread and other posts that the use of bots is controversial, and thus potentially anti-TOS in the future.



That is not what the search listing is _intended_ to represent.



Yes, SL is a social system. Part of the point of that social system is that people can engage in their own small businesses if they want to. If that possibility is cleared out by too close equivalance to cut-throat RL business then SL's attractiveness and thus viability will be in doubt. Remember that, unlike RL, SL has to tempt people to live it.

I saw Colette's post in your quote - she makes me laugh with the garbage

The reason that people stopped accusing traffic bots of hurting the system is because they learned that they don't - especially from people who are anti-bot themselves. You can guess at what interaction bots have, Mort, but you don't know. You don't know what interactions my bots have, for instance. Of course bots have a little interaction with the system, but it's miniscule, and doesn't hurt the system - which is what I said.

A bot has as much interaction with the system as a stationary avatar.

Sometimes more if they are scripted for data collection and search (see land/data bots)

There is no way to script a bot not to have an avatar's impact. The client may not do anything but chat, or bare bones display. But they still have the same system calls to the grid as all other bots, and take the same upkeep on the sim as other avatars.

Regardless of where they are put.

I can't hold a candle to you in the garbage category.

You are the Trash King.

Ironic since its a Bot ...

The future ToS is totally irrelevant to this discussion. What is and isn't clear about the sustainability of SL is none of your business, or anyone else's outside LL, and way beyond our knowlegde. It is neither clear not unclear, and is an irrelevance as far as we are concerned..

What was intended a very long time ago, and what actually is right now are two different things. I deal in the right now. The past is irrelevant.

If people want to engage in their own small businesses, nobody is stopping them. I think you don't understand the purpose of SL, Yumi. It isn't a social system at all. It is not an end in itself. It's used in part by some people as one, but that's not what it is. Your view of SL isn't shared by its owners. I'm sure you've seen it before but I'll refresh your memory. It is intended to be a world wide system - like a 3-D web, and not owned by LL at all. LL is developing the protocols to bring it about, and SL is an essential live test system for it. All we have is a test system.

Btw. If my bots interfere with your social system, I suggest you avoid my bots or improve your social system

You have no idea what my bots do and don't do, Mort. We've been through it all before. You should know by now that traffic bots, placed way out of anyone's range, use miniscule system resources. What they don't do is hurt the system.

The server still has to query them regularly Phil, hence why they count against avatars on the sim.

The server backside has to query for location, connection, and does so at the same rate it queries all avatars. Hence them being counted in traffic, because the system sends out it's avatar queries for data to them.

The system resources used are the same regardless of where you put them Phil.

It's the core avatar system consumption that adds to the system overhead.

They use as much system resources as a standard avatar

You are mistaking client side for server side. Big difference.

But it _isn't_ irrelevant because, if SL becomes unsustainaible, your business - and mine and everyone else's - halts instantly.



The intentions remain, even now.



SL is a social system. Why would anyone be buying furniture, but for social reasons? "The 3D web" doesn't need to include sitting on a chair as one of its applications! (My personal belief is that the 3D web view is unsustainable anyway.)



Your bots interfere with any social system because, although you argue that your bots don't damage the world (which may be true), if everyone did what was necessary to compete with you - running their own bots - then the resulting conglomeration of everyone's bots WOULD damage the world. It's an environmental thing.

You harm your cause with your transparent mental acrobatics and your evasion of questions that you find difficult.

You advise people to spam search engines if they don't mind the risk of being delisted.
You say that it's OK to spam search engines until they delist you.

You avoid responding with an explanation of why a search engine would delist someone who was spamming it.
Why does someone spamming a search engine risk being delisted?

Whatever you're smoking Phil, it's giving you hallucinations.

They use some resources, but they miniscule compared to an normal av. I know what happens with them. They are my bots. I see what happens. I don't use Sleek or anything like that. I use my own.

I forget who it was, but an anti-bot in one of the recent threads said exactly the same thing. he made one just to see, and he found that system use in minimal.

Sling. You are one of the very few anti-bots who isn't worth discussing with. Your chip is way too big for you to handle. I don't have a cause Sling - you do. I am happy the way things are thank you

So what questions did I evade? It's something I don't do. I do other things as well as read the forum, you know. Please ask them again.

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Did you expect an answer to that Tuesday question? Is that the I evaded? Are you crazy?

hey!

bots are cool i like em so i have planted 256 bots all over my sim, and the real goal im a gost since menawhile hours, my inventory fails, i cannot IM, i cannot build or script, but im sure my bots have fun. finally i save resources this way.

If SL becomes unsustainable, so what? It won't be my bots that caused it.

No they don't.

SL is a test system for the future, and your personal view of the future is irrelevant. The only relevant view of the future is LL's, and other people's who are in the business of makings these systems.

So what? If everyone competed by using them, LL would clamp down on it. They are not stupid, you know. SL may be a social system for you and for some others, but it's just a test system. And my bots don't affect you in any way. They affect me in a very good way though

But your business still breaks down.



Yes, they do. If the intention wasn't still to make traffic gaming irrelevant, why the much reduced focus on traffic in the new Search?



Not true, as those people cannot just do what they like; they will have to satisfy their customers.



Well, that's the point - you acknowledge that using bots is wrong if everyone does it (if it wasn't wrong, why would "LL clamp down on it"?) yet you seem to think it's OK for you to do it.

No Sling. You may not have noticed it but 'system resources' is used very little now, whereas it used to be one of *the* main abjectiosn to traffic bots. Until this little bit of this thread, whenever it was mentioned, the anti-bots no longer joined en masse like they used to. I notice these things, Sling. You don't.

It doesn't matter how much you protest about traffic bots, camping, pay for picks, whatever, you won't get anywhere expect feel frustrated. If and when LL do something about it, they will. All you do is cause people to laugh at you - we do, you know You haven't a hope in hell's chance of changing anyone's mind. But you don't learn. Which part of "protest to LL" don't you understand, Slng, because you ain't making headway here

LOL! You are such a piece of work!

You quote me putting the question to you for a second time and you not only avoid answering that question, but you claim that a question has not been asked.

"The system" is the SL system as a whole. Your activities have a negative impact on the system.

You misunderstand a lot.
The main reason that I come back to these epic threads is that your performance is a sort of fascination to me.
You twist and turn. You play with words. You invent.

You quote me asking you a question, and right below the quote, you pretend that no question has been asked.
I find you fascinating (in a sick sort of way)

Oops. I did miss that. My mistake. To answer your question...

I've already said why a number of times, but I'll say it again. Search engine delist sites if they include things that the engines don't want to index. That's the answer to your question. Now let me make something very very clear...

No search engine dictates anything to any website in the world. The *only* things that a search engine dictates is how it deals with things internally, which includes delisting any website that it chooses, for whatever reason it chooses. An engine can decide not to index a website, and to deindex a website for whatever reason it chooses. What it can't do is tell a website what it can and connat do.

It is different with the SL search because they are LL's pages, and LL can dictate what can and cannot be in them.

Alright?

Oh, for goodness sakes. You really don't have a clue, Sling.

Yes, I missed that. I already said so. so milk it while you can. Even I am not perfect

Oh thankyou. I find much of what you write to be lacking in intelligence, and I'm not the only one - we really do have a laugh at your expense, you know. So we all get something out of it. That's good

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Btw, I don't need to squirm - you won't find any squirming in my posts, lad. I genuinely laugh at you anti-bots, and I honestly consider starting a bot thread when one isn't already going, because I like watching the futility of you lot

Protesting on the forums is exactly the thing that has changed many many systems and policies within the SL platform. In fact, a public forum is exactly the right place to make such a protest.

Just to clarify a bit here... I myself personally am not "anti-bot". Bots have good people using them and they have assholes using them. They are just bots, they can't help themselves either way.

I am a real life businesswoman who finds the use of bots to lie to ones customers morally objectionable. Yes, I'm afraid I have not been convinced in anyway that "artificial inflation" means anything other then lying, regardless of it's it Phil we are talking about or Linden Lab themselves using their "artificial" numbers for "statistics".

This is a fine place to protest to Linden Lab, especially considering they are planning to take a much more active role in the forums.



This is where Phil's arguement breaks down into that of a spoiled brat's. O, and here too...



Has Phil ever mentioned his age? I'm guessing somewhere in the early 20's "Know-it-all" phase.

Ahh so someone who was anti-bot whose name you cant remember agreed with you one time on that statement, and that counts as proof.

We will fight them on the forums, we will fight them in the Blogs!

We will never surrender!

I'll be very surprised if SL doesn't go the way of ebay and stick two fingers up at the people who helped develop it. That's what happens when platforms develop. If RL business ever arrive here in serious numbers for serious use people are going to find Phil's tactics as a walk in the park compared to what big business can do.