Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

The fact is like it or not what Phil is doing is within the TOS, the only time I have seen LL act is when a BOT farmer is using over the resources in a sim for the amount of land he owns even then i know of at least one casino owner from a while ago get away with loading a sim with campers when the same owner owned less than half the sim.

I own an Island and half a sim so if i wanted i could fill the island with bots and put 20 bots on the just over half a sim i own but for me that defeats the object for me but i would be with the terms of the TOS to do this and thats what we all got to remember, until LL rules that bots are unacceptable there is not a lot we can do. Its taken sooooo long for them to do anything about ad farms, so i dont see the bot problem going away anytime soon

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all sim owners should fill up their sims with bots, this way we could save resources and its a good feel to stand inbetween all this bots grinin at you

If you knew anything about it you wouldn't have written that post. And since I'm the only one who you think fits your descripion, I'll straighten it out for you, sweetie

I only say that something is ok if it really is ok. If you took notice of what's written in the forums, you would realise it too. If doing what I do gets my place listed higher for relevent searches than places that are not relevant for the search, then it helps the population too. There is no argument against that.

It depends who's reading. Since I'm making a positive impact on the search results for the population, people might think it's very smart to show it, but that's not why I post. The ones who feel it is thrust down their throats are those who have their own agenda for SL, but if they think about it at all, they would know that their agenda is irrelevant, and that only LL's agenda matters.

Ah but you see, I don't expect people to be grateful to me. You might if you were doing it, but I don't. All I do is present the other side of the story, as do other people, but I just happen to be the main one in the forum who actually does what a few people are against. Would you rather not hear the other side? Would you prefer to have a completely one-sided debate?

You think I mind that? If you do, you don't read my posts.

You really don't read my posts, do you? Where were you when LL were dicussing "The Future of Traffic"? Do you even know how I spoke out a *lot* against traffic, both here and in one of the LL meetings. Where were you, if you are so against it? I don't know if you spoke out or not - I'm just asking you.

Not unwise at all. If me writing here helps to get rid of traffic in the Places tab, and am more than happy to do it. As for me calling certain individuals "stupid", well... some people really are, and I only do it after they insult me. I haven't called anyone stupid in this thread, but the evidence is there for all to see.

We get no punishment from here lol. A few people here are not capable of punishing anyone. But I'll say this - you do have a vivid imagination, sweetie And no validation from here is desired or needed. I have all the validation I need - built-in The reason I post in these threads is because I enjoy a good debate. Unfortunately, the anti-bots all too often abandon the idea of debating, and turn to insults, lies, fallacies, etc. instead. This thread has been very good on the whole. Sling tried to bring it down, but apparently decided against it, and there have been a few fallacies posted, but on the whole is has been a much better bots thread than usual.

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It's interesting to observe how these threads change over time. Months ago, one of the biggest arguments against traffic bots was the impact they were alleged to make on system resources. That hardly gets a mention now, as people have learned the reality from these threads.

Not long ago I was virtually alone on my side of the debate. Now I am not alone, and the split of participants in the threads is moving towards evening out. The anti-bots are still only a very few people, but they used to dominate these threads. Now they don't dominate as much.

Personally when i'm looking to buy (insert item here) i use the search feature, then go to the places with lower traffic counts.

why i hear you ask . . . . . . you did ask, didnt you? (or am i hearing things in my old age?) . . . either way, the question is valid, and shall be answered thusly

1: IMHO people with lower traffic counts are most likely just starting out in business and would appreciate the business more than the store with multi thousands of hits per day.

2: people with lower traffic counts are obviously not using traffic bots

3: smaller stores means, not having to have to teleport in, then spend the next hour looking for what you're after. Generally speaking, if i don't find what i'm looking for after about 10 minutes . . . i leave.


IMHO (again) The TOS are there for a reason. To ensure a fair playing environment for 'ALL'. If you don't like them . . . . take your services to another (whatever you would class SL as . . . opensim is it?)


ok, that's my 2 cents . . . bring on the flaming


jimbo

Look... it's a picture of Phil!!!

Don't try to say what i think, Mort. And especially don't try to say what i think when I've alreadu stated what I think. Your later posts are including fallacies more and more.

I already indicated that there may be a few people who are against bots and would turn away. If you are going to post at all, please make an attempt to post accurately, and try not to write what you *imagine* people think.

O.o it seems I hit nerve.

You just don't realise how ridiculous you come across telling people stuff like that. Like a 12 year old who is frustrated because not everyone does what they want and says what they want.

hahaha but of course you do Jim Kirk a disservice by the comparison.

Just had a thought that made me giggle.

If the people that use traffic bots don't like the TOS . . . what are they gonna do ?

strike, strike, strike.


one out, all out.

What do we want?
No TOS
When do we want it?
Now

etc etc

This is an interesting point and one I agree with. It's one of the reasons traffic is a misleading statistic. If the sim contains a huge mall then the sales to traffic ratio is stretched, it's one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of traffic as a defining statistic. All traffic isn't equal, even without bots and camping.

LOL i could get a region name change to BOT island and crank up the limits ahh well off to make 100 alts i will show em

"Lots of stuff" is indicative of a nerve being hit? Good grief, sweetie, give me more than that. Where on earth did you extract it from?

No nerves have been hit at this end. Is that what you're trying to do instead of discuss sensibly?


LOL. wishful thinking, Colette They don't get closed. The last one was closed but I don't remember others being closed, and we have them regularly. You know very well that I enjoy a good debate - I've said it enough times. I don't enjoy conflict though. I retaliate to it, but it's not something I enjoy.

"escalating" is correct. Let's see some personal attacks come my way, and then we'll see me escalating it. Sling tried it early on, but I chose not to respond in kind at that time. Apart from Sling's early efforts, there have been stupid things written, fallacies argued, possible lies, and things like that in the thread, but no personal attacks that I remember, so there has been no escalating of them.

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can we have a screenshot ?

You added the last paragraph after I'd replied. Tell me where the hell it came from. Or is it like a treasure hunt. Gimme a chance to respond properly, for goodness sakes. 3 words isn't anything. Telling people stuff like "lots of stuff" doesn't mean anything to anyone.

*Yawns* your discussion technique ran of the rails of sensibility a looong time ago. No point discussing anything with you. A lot of what you read (wrongly) as about you in the beginning was generally targeted towards all bot runners.
As for the rest well once you started telling people that you knew what they were thinking and wanting better than they did - you put yourself in to the realm off having absolutely zero credibility. The really hilarious thing is you cannot see any of it. It is like you miss how funny you are completely. Seriously you need help with this whole god complex thing.

*sits back with the popcorn for the next Phil installment*

It wouldn't surprise me if it cost them the majority of their sales once they fall down the first page.

It's like super-mega-store 1 and super-mega-store 2 in RL: they both sell similar things at the same prices and one is just interchangeable with the other and neither is particularly compelling or sells great things. You would be better off going elsewhere but people go to it out of sheer convenience because they can make do with what they sell.

Similarly in SL the difference between inflated ranking listing #1 and inflated ranking listing #2 doesn't have anything to do with service, quality or popularity, it's solely the high visibility. If they loose that, they loose everything because they're just not compelling enough in and by themselves to set them apart from their competition.

If search actually worked then you wouldn't constantly get "hey, do you know a good place to buy ...", people would just use search instead to find what they want. The forums might be a minority, but do they generally consist of people who are willing to make the effort to find the diamond burried in 10 pages of search results and if you asked for opinions here on a specific keyword, few if any of the high ranked results would be mentioned simply because they're really not all that good.

Are you going to tell us where "lots of stuff" came from, or are you just playing silly games. And you talk about me sounding like a 12 year old LMAO!

*rolls eyes* "Lots of stuff" was just me not having to repeat all that rubbish you spouted in the post before hand. Sheesh I should not have to explain that. And you are the person who calls everyone else stupid - unreal.
And yes you do come across as a 12 year old, especially the part where you come back with "no you are acting like a 12 year old".

You head the serious parts of my opinions into these back waters and then point to that as say - look she has no valid opinions. Very disingenuous Phil. Maybe it works a few times but you drag it out far too often for it not to be as obvious as hell.

You love silly games, you must do as you play them often enough.

Good grief. You really have sunk to new lows, even for bots threads. You quote "lots of stuff" as though I wrote it, and claim that you hit a nerve. You lied that I wrote it, and imagine that my replies to you are because you hit a nerve? You're truly incredible Am I replying to you now because you hit a nerve? Or am I laughing at your attempts?

I only say that certain people are stupid, and only then after they've insulted me and behave stupidly. I don't say that "everyone else" is stupid, as you said. I saw in one of your previous posts that you don't like being singled out, so you try to believe that I mean everyone else. Presumably it makes you feel more comfortable that it's not just you. So it's not surprising that you write falsehoods like that.

You have no worthwhile answers to write, so you make a false quote and set about trying to ridicule the other person. And you say that *I* sound like a 12 year old? If you can't handle it when the other side doesn't agree with you, why do you enter these threads?

Let me see if I can enter your thinking for a moment...

"I have a view and I know I am right. Therefore the other person must be wrong. But the other person doesn't agree with me, and that makes them ridiculous and like a 12 year old".

Is that about right?

You really are quite dense aren't you?. Most of what you just wrote does not even make sense. Why can you not get the simple concept that I was referring to the stuff you did write when I wrote "Lots of stuff"? You did write lots of stuff, I just did not want to repeat it in my quote. It was supposed to be an indication of the stuff you *did* right. Is that simple enough for you yet?

I enter into these threads to discuss the issues with other people, people who are worth my time discussing with. That does not include you Phil. In fact if you go back and read where I started on this thread, that is exactly what I was doing. There is no point discussing anything with you for the myriad of reasons outlined again and again. It is you who cannot stand others having a dissenting opinion.
I must admit though I kinda nearly wet myself laughing when you started claiming to know what motivates *everyone* and that you know them better than they know themselves. That really only proved my point.

You might get a little less frustrated if you pass over my posts. They may be about you but they are not for you. Sorry I tried to keep it as simple as possible for you but I did write a lot.

Denseness is in the eye of the beholder. The intelligence of someone isn't recognised by a dense person. Take that which way you want, but I know which way the correct one

Your problem is that I could easily have written "lots of stuff" in one of my posts, and the way you used the quote indicated that I did. When people intend to do what you did, they usually indicate it with something like "<lots of stuff> " or "[lots of stuff]". The brackets indicate that it isn't meant as a literal quote. Perhaps that will help you to get along in forums in the future. I hope it does.

Oh the Great and Mighty Phil knows what my problem is now LMAO.
Next you will tell us how your *lifetime* of experience qualifies you to know this HAHAHAHA. OMG you are so funny.
Please don't stop there Botman - keep going I really love this material.

Then why discuss any of it with me? You chose to do that. When you write public posts, they are for all to respond to. If you don't want to discuss with a particular person, ignore their posts. It's very easy.

As for me not being able to stand others having an opposing view - it's wishful thinking on your part. I am more than happy for everyone to have their opinions. I think you'll find it's the other way round - the anti-bots, of which you are one, really dislike me having my opinions on the subjects of bots. So much so that they usually turn to insults because I don't agree with them. But in case you are confused, I'll make it absolutely clear for you. Imo, you are absolutely free to hold whatever views and opinions you choose. I don't object to you having them, and I don't mind in the slightest that they are different to mine. Alright?

Oh I don't get frustrated, love. I enjoy it. I get plenty of laughs and smiles from these threads, including some from your posts. So please continue to "frustrate" me You see, I don't expect to change anyone's mind about bots, so it can hardly be frustrating can it? I just enjoy discussing the topic. Don't you?

Who did you say was getting frustrated???

ROFL don't make me laugh, if you spent as much time discussing the actual topic rather than the rest of the little word games you play then you might be a bit more credible. Oh and I get what you are doing with the "love" and "sweetie" how clever of you. Well whatever floats your boat I guess, pathetic as it is.
Whilst most of your posts can be very amusing, it is in a tragic way that is like watching a train wreck itself. No I actually don't enjoy seeing you do that to yourself.

I would rather have a proper debate but you don't really allow that to happen do you Phil? (rhetorical question).