Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

It didn't last long did it? I thought that my last post was a very nice one, but there you go.

I haven't sought to change the meanings of anything I wrote. It's all still there. It was a discussion of "greed". Perhaps you shouldn't be so touchy.

It kind of irratates me that the Vocal minority would dictate what type of SL world we should be living in, when a large percentage of us might simply be content already.
A far greater concern is the stability of the Grid and to be able to perform all the functions as advertised.

I doubt that bots will be outlawed, because they are too useful - manquins, and such. I think that traffic rankings (traffic bots and camping) will end sooner rather than later.

If for any reason i decide to turn 1 of my isolated sims into an area where it just me and 99 Sexy looking Female Bots than so be it. It's me thats paying LL the 295 USD to do that...why should i be made to feel guilty, when its not against LL TOS, nor effecting anybody else and proven to have very little impact on overall system resources.

hey!

the problem is: lets say 600 simowners will do the same at the same time than we have 60 000 "people" online, ive read there are ~25 000 pritave sims in sl and every simowner pays the same fee some have to pay vat too.
the bot "problem" is more a problem of fair use of limited gridresources.

Good post Lord Sullivan
Exactly the way i feel about this Bots topic.

It kind of irratates me that the Vocal minority would dictate what type of SL world we should be living in, when a large percentage of us might simply be content already.
A far greater concern is the stability of the Grid and to be able to perform all the functions as advertised.

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Until LL bans bots, we should be allowed the choice without being made to feel like a social leper (even though i don't like bots)..... i still want to be granted that choice.

Unless there is factual data to prove otherwise, nobody knows if the "vocal minority" is just a minority or whether it is the vocal part of the majority. Put another way nobody can say for certain whether the "us" in your statement Rene, is a large percentage or not. At this point it is your opinion only.
In fact you are not even part of that percentage anyway. You now are at least partially educated in the issues regardless of your stand point. The "large percentage" you seem to be speaking about are not aware yet. It is not clear if they were to be made aware just as you were what stand point they would take and what majority would arise.

Honestly,the silent majority don't care either way....trust me on that. It has very little impact on their everyday SL lives and most when shopping probably don't even notice what all those green dots are on the mini-map. The proof is in the pudding....look at the continued high volume sales at Phil's shop, month in and month out!
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We have had a couple of ordinary SL citizens post in this thread saying as such....that they just don't care providing that shop sell what it advertises. When i go shopping which is quite often...i look at the listing in ALL search to make sure they sell the product they advertise. If i arrive at location and there happens to have large numbers of bots (I probably wouldn't notice anyway to be honest) it would not deter me from finding the product that i'm looking for. The BOTS present have zero impact in my decision process.......and so its the same for the silent majority. I'm not going to stand in the middle of the shop, next to the located product and start pondering about ethics and whether i should be buying this item or not because of the green dots that are appearing in the top right hand corner of my screen. That's complete bollox! Don't kid yourself!

You can live in denial all you want....but it does not change a thing and least of all to the shopping habits of the general populace.

I have stated who form part of that vocal minority in previous posts, not going to repeat myself.

Bots used for modelling clothing, I also do not have a problem with unless that is just an excuse for hiding traffic bots.

hey!

the problem is: lets say 600 simowners will do the same at the same time than we have 60 000 "people" online, ive read there are ~25 000 pritave sims in sl and every simowner pays the same fee some have to pay vat too.
the bot "problem" is more a problem of fair use of limited gridresources.
and yes i wanna have a bot as a model for my avatars, cloth, skins, attachments, weapons, ...
people could see what they can get for their money

The objection to this practice is not just about grid resources but also about the abuse of search. Mainly the abuse of search in fact. Rene if your bots were on your own island and not participating in making any business you depended on traffic for higher than it ought to be then I for one would have far less problem with you than I would with a person gaming search for the purposes of greed or "winning" the search.

A side effect of those bots is increased traffic, there is no getting away from that.

I'm not sure what is more exaggerated here?. Me hypothetically saying i have a Bot fetish thus turning my sim into infestation of Sexy looking Bots.........or you saying that 600 more sim owners might share my bizarre Fetish!

Your comment is as stretched as Collette's assumption that there might be 500,000 bots on the Grid! rofl

So the same Bot can command varying degrees of your wrath......interesting!

It is about intention though, sure there will be borderline cases where the bot runner can argue convincingly that it is for clothes only but they will not be the ones with 20 traffic bots disguised as clothing bots nor will clothing bots be hidden away high in the sky where nobody could see them.

makes me wonder why someone who has " continued high volume sales at Phil's shop, month in and month out!" has a need to game the system? Is the high volume due to gaming the system or because of well made items? I guess no one will ever know since gaming the system is a part of that business plan.

/gets tempted to run a couple 100rd bots on an empty plots using all major keywords to screw with search results...

Sure it is about intention and plenty of store owners know that bots increase traffic. So they have the task of modelling clothes and increasing traffic. The bottom line is that these bots increase traffic, if you're so against traffic bots I fail to see why you find this use acceptable.

don't forget the other tools, such as prims on the land and some more questionable ones.

Strange as it may seem to some, I actually do not have a problem with bots in general. Only when they are used for cheating LL systems (my terms - my perogative), being used en masse or otherwise taking av slots during a numerical max capping of the login system.

The type of bots that Desmond of Caledon is researching would have my approval. Bots used for modelling clothing, I also do not have a problem with unless that is just an excuse for hiding traffic bots. It is the use of more than one or two and really that are used solely for the intent and purposes of cheating an LL system such as traffic/search bots or swindling land from people aka land bots.

"escalating" is correct. Let's see some personal attacks come my way, and then we'll see me escalating it. Sling tried it early on, but I chose not to respond in kind at that time. Apart from Sling's early efforts, there have been stupid things written, fallacies argued, possible lies, and things like that in the thread, but no personal attacks that I remember, so there has been no escalating of them.