Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Who did you say was getting frustrated???

The whole new All search has really made all the searches look nasty now with the long parcel keyword names.

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Starting with his claim that Temp rezzors do not cause lag and his stubborn refusal to listen to the more tech savvy over it. .
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ROFL don't make me laugh, if you spent as much time discussing the actual topic rather than the rest of the little word games you play then you might be a bit more credible. Oh and I get what you are doing with the "love" and "sweetie" how clever of you. Well whatever floats your boat I guess, pathetic as it is.
Whilst most of your posts can be very amusing, it is in a tragic way that is like watching a train wreck itself. No I actually don't enjoy seeing you do that to yourself.

I would rather have a proper debate but you don't really allow that to happen do you Phil? (rhetorical question).

Watching this thread debase into kindergarten name calling makes me wonder if there is a place for reasoned debate in SL lol

Facts are as i see them atm is that LL allows BOTs and Profile picks are allowed to be included in search and therefore brought.

Rights or wrongs of all this is not up to us to decide but for LL to decide, as they run/own the game. My own observations is that it will be staying for the foreseeable future, but unfortunately there are those here that think SL is just a small world for them to play in, long gone are those days and LL im sure wants to attract the corporate people here as IIRC they want this to be the next 3D internet.

Maybe they like the idea of the BOTs atm as with all the BOTs logged in it helps them look at the scalability of here and also looks good on the numbers pages and numbers are important for any company/government, as far as search well i would imagine thats gonna be a work in progress for sometime to come as SL grows and unless any of us are Lindens we will not know until the changes come.

Its just a shame the reasoned and interesting debate always slips out the window as those that want SL to be what they want it to be slides away in their view, its LL platform and they call the shots as they are the ones that need to make a profit as do all businesses. I have seen many, many changes here and not all good changes, but its a far better place now than when it was when i first ever rezzed in world, when a busy Saturday night on the grid was under 2000 people logged in.

I have met some great and interesting people since the gates were opened to all and i am excited as SL continues to grow even with all its problems there is still nothing like it out there so instead of focusing on the negatives we should focus on the positives and remember that we pay LL to play here and by doing so we agree with the TOS and the rules as LL decides and if you want change then campaign in an adult manner to LL and maybe they will look at it and perhaps even change it, you can't slate people just because they play within the TOS even if you don't agree with the TOS we all agreed to play by and within the same rules.

Just my personal opinion and I am entitled to that as is everyone else entitled to theirs, even if i disagree i wont resort to name calling its just a shame some people have to resort to name calling and if the cap fits

Peace

But I do discuss the topic seriously. It's other people who derail it. It's all in the thread - you can check it if you want to. Take this bit between you and me. Who started to make it personal? It wasn't me. Go back and look and you'll find that it was you I've always said that I prefer to discuss the topic seriously, rather than the participants, but unfortunately some of the participants, including you, won't allow it, and choose to turn it into a discussion of the people. Go back to where you and I started this dialogue and see who is the culprit

Erm You - I am having a laugh at your expense, sheesh I really wish I didn't have to explain it all the time Phil.

Now can we get back to the topic or not?

Yes you talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You say you do and don't do lots of things but mostly they are not true. You cannot see that of course but that does not change anything.

Starting with his claim that Temp rezzors do not cause lag and his stubborn refusal to listen to the more tech savvy over it. .

Good! I'm glad we're both enjoying it

That's entirely up to you. You're the one who started with the ridicule

Wrong assumption. I am a case in point. I argue against the use of scummy business tactics here to drive business and yet my SL business is not dependent on traffic, keywords, picks or in fact search. It is mostly word of mouth and I have only a very small vendor presence. Incidentally I also do very well and can sleep at night knowing my customers are not deceived in any way by me.
It is not necessarily financial the motivation for those opposed.

SL Business not using search gaming to increase profits = Not Greedy.
SL Business using search gaming to increase profits = Greedy.

That's ok for you, but for most people in the world, businesses trying to increase profits != greed, and businesses trying to increase profits == normal. RL and SL are both the same. SL business is RL business. But you may consider any way you like.

Increasing profits without shady practices = Good
Increasing profits using shady practices = Bad

Are you trying to make a point? I fit the first line, so I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I've no doubt that you are just as greedy as everyone else. I added a paragraph to my last post that you should read.

I thought you wanted to get back to discussing the topic. My mistake.

Words are cheap, Gabriele. Why don't you do as I suggested and go back to see who it was who started with the personal stuff? Scared? You've falsely accused me of it, when it was you. Are you afraid to see? Words are very cheap, my dear

Great, more 12 year old mentality. Well OK here we go for the evidence.

I start the thread around #364 with this answer to Ciaran:



My next post is at #372 with this:



To which you respond:



I again go for a general clarification and expounding my point, still a general quote not aim at anyone or personal in any way:



Yet you respond with:

You make it personal by saying I am as greedy as everyone else. Not responding to the general issues at all - just getting personal.

So I respond in kind and the thread goes south - just one example of where Phil Deakins "reality" does not mesh with actual reality.

Satisfied now?

You are right about one thing only, talk is cheap - yours is the cheapest of all.

Well done! I applaud your research, even though you drew the wrong conclusions from it. You equated the manipulation of traffic to greed, and I went on to discuss "greed". You used the word in an accusational way, and I sought to clarify that it isn't that in this case. I included me in that type of greed - remember? It wasn't personal in the way that you took the thread later. I have been mentioned many times in the thread, before and since those posts, and they haven't been personal either - not in the same way that you took the thread later. You made it personal between you and me, later in the thread, so your research so far was wasted. Try again.

I've no doubt that you are just as greedy as everyone else.

Just had a thought that made me giggle.

If the people that use traffic bots don't like the TOS . . . what are they gonna do ?

It's not againat TOS as yet, so the Bot runners are not breaking any rules.
One day that might all change.....i think it will, because LL have a much bigger picture to consider and adfarms, bots, public sex areas,land extortion are not going to be part of that landscape.

Bulls*** see this is an example of how you just cannot accept anything - even when faced with facts. I bet most people reading what I put would say you slung the mud there - indisputable I think. Then you wonder why I do not discuss anything serious with you - you are a joke.

Perhaps most people would think that, but that's because you only quoted bits of the discussion. You didn't quote or state the whole discussion - y'know - the parts where I said most of us are greedy, and explained it. I.e. the greed discussion.

Where it got personal between you and me is when you started to throw things in like you're still doing - "you are a joke" - stuff like that. That all came later, after you'd missed a day or so. The earlier discussion was about greed. Sorry if you can't understand it.

It's not againat TOS as yet, so the Bot runners are not breaking any rules.
One day that might all change.....i think it will, because LL have a much bigger picture to consider and adfarms, bots, public sex areas,land extortion are not going to be part of that landscape.

Well its convenient for you to say that but the thread is a single conversation. You got personal, I responded - end of story.

If you took the part that you quoted as being personal, rather than as the example that it was, I'm sorry. The rest of the "greed" discussion made it clear. Later, it was you who got negatively personal. If you prefer to think differently, in spite of what's still in the thread, be my guest.

Now do you want to get back to the topic?

I accept your apology gladly, and yes we can get back to the discussion. If you will allow me my opinions without getting personal, then I will not get personal either.

I was sorry if you took it that way. I didn't apologise. An apology is an admission of guilt, and I had nothing to apologise for. Being sorry if I caused something is much better. It's an indication of regret that something I said was taken the wrong way, whereas an apology is a clinical thing and has nothing to do with feelings.

I never deny people their opinions, regardless of whether or not they agree with mine. You said that you don't want to discuss with me, and that's fine, but if you make statements that apply to me, and I don't agree with them, you can expect me to respond. E.g. you said that gaming traffic = greed. As a traffic manipulator, that applied to me, and I responded. You can expect that, whether you want it or not.

Oh FFS - fine - have it your way then you cannot change the meaning of the words you wrote just because you got found out nor claim that the conversation is nicely carved up into sections for the convenience of claiming you didn't get personal first. That is just pathetic. One thread is one conversation, it is a continuance, to claim otherwise is ignorant at best and disingenious at worst. You just don't like the truth - fine I expect nothing less from you - you have shown your colours again and again.

Watching this thread debase into kindergarten name calling makes me wonder if there is a place for reasoned debate in SL lol

Facts are as i see them atm is that LL allows BOTs and Profile picks are allowed to be included in search and therefore brought.

Rights or wrongs of all this is not up to us to decide but for LL to decide, as they run/own the game. My own observations is that it will be staying for the foreseeable future, but unfortunately there are those here that think SL is just a small world for them to play in, long gone are those days and LL im sure wants to attract the corporate people here as IIRC they want this to be the next 3D internet.

Maybe they like the idea of the BOTs atm as with all the BOTs logged in it helps them look at the scalability of here and also looks good on the numbers pages and numbers are important for any company/government, as far as search well i would imagine thats gonna be a work in progress for sometime to come as SL grows and unless any of us are Lindens we will not know until the changes come.

Its just a shame the reasoned and interesting debate always slips out the window as those that want SL to be what they want it to be slides away in their view, its LL platform and they call the shots as they are the ones that need to make a profit as do all businesses. I have seen many, many changes here and not all good changes, but its a far better place now than when it was when i first ever rezzed in world, when a busy Saturday night on the grid was under 2000 people logged in.

I have met some great and interesting people since the gates were opened to all and i am excited as SL continues to grow even with all its problems there is still nothing like it out there so instead of focusing on the negatives we should focus on the positives and remember that we pay LL to play here and by doing so we agree with the TOS and the rules as LL decides and if you want change then campaign in an adult manner to LL and maybe they will look at it and perhaps even change it, you can't slate people just because they play within the TOS even if you don't agree with the TOS we all agreed to play by and within the same rules.

Just my personal opinion and I am entitled to that as is everyone else entitled to theirs, even if i disagree i wont resort to name calling its just a shame some people have to resort to name calling and if the cap fits

Peace