Traffic Bots Against the TOS of LL?

Did I say that? I thought it was you who wanted it.

I've no desire to teach my customers the ways of SL, unless they ask me, as one or two do at times. My store isn't an infohub, y'know. It's a furniture store. I want my customers to base their decisions on all the relevant information about my furniture, that's all.

Why don't you take up the challenge that Rene made? Go out and do some research and ask the exact question that he posted. If you don't do it, it means you can't be bothered, and you're interest in this topic is a lot less that you make out.

Then you make an staggering number of mistakes, Colette, because you've done it ever since I first came across you. Truly amazing. And I've never seen you admit such a mistake - not once - not even in this thread. Would you like to belatedly admit your mistakes in this thread to Bella now?

I'm going to try to rephrase it again and see if I can get any better answer:

If it is accepted that Phil is completely within his rights to use trafficbots to game the search result, then it should be assumed that it is ok for every single merchant on the SL platform to follow suit and also use trafficbots.

If every single merchant used trafficbots to artifically inflate their traffic numbers to optimize their own position in search, not only would search be rendered a completely useless tool, but it would (yes, it would) negatively effect performance and assessablity to the SL platform for everyone.

Therefore, it would be negitive for SL as a platform if everyone used trafficbots.

So why is it ok for Phil?

You look at the client side on the bots.

Does a bot:
1 - get polled for position data by the sim as often as a regular avatar in order to update traffic and the maps?
2 - have a network link to the grid's login servers and maintain that link in order to stay connected?
3 - poll to see if anything has changed in their area so the client can be updated?

The answer you know is yes, so they place a load equal to a standard avatar on the servers that handle that.

I see so you want a clientele that is ignorant of anything that might make you lose a sale through open and transparent business operations?

No, not at all. That's a fallacy, Mort. It's called "argument form fallacy" - look it up

I don't mind in the slightest if my customers know all about it. I've told some of them, as you know. If you didn't things up, it would be a much better discussion.

No, not at all. That's a fallacy, Mort. It's called "argument form fallacy" - look it up

I don't mind in the slightest if my customers know all about it. I've told some of them, as you know. If you didn't things up, it would be a much better discussion.

I didn't say that was gaming. I said that was Ugly.



I didn't call the keywords gaming. I said they were ugly.

Like Ciaran I would like the parcel name to be allowed to be a nice clean name and use the body of Text to convey keywords and the rest.

It would be nice if instead of the parcel name adding extra weight it either used the Parcel description or even another field for tags.

Although it would be good if the keywords at least matched what that parcel contained.
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And for those watching along at home - even though Rene misinterpreted me - I did not accuse her of twisting things.

If it is accepted that Phil is completely within his rights to use trafficbots to game the search result, then it should be assumed that it is ok for every single merchant on the SL platform to follow suit and also use trafficbots.

If every single merchant used trafficbots to artifically inflate their traffic numbers to optimize their own position in search, not only would search be rendered a completely useless tool, but it would (yes, it would) negatively effect performance and assessablity to the SL platform for everyone.

Therefore, it would be negitive for SL as a platform if everyone used trafficbots.

So why is it ok for Phil?

It's a fact that I am completely within my rights to use traffic bots to manipulate the search results. I don't think that can be sensibly argued against. So, yes it can be assumed that so is everyone else. If everyone did it, it most likely have a significantly negative impact on the SL system, as it would be a hell of a lot of bots. If anything like that started to happen then you can bet your boots that LL would act quickly. Until it starts to build up to unmanagable proportions, it's just argument for the sake of argument.

You claim to have told some. There is no evidence other than your word.

There is evidence in a refusal to educate and illuminate new visitors and such of your practices with a sign that anyone can pop in to verify as being there.

If you must know...All Search does pick land description text as well prim description text that are set for sale..as well as Land name. When's the last time you logged into SL?

One last thing.......-----> Rene' =male.......and Renee' = female.

So in order to get it fixed we need to contact some sim owners and put bot farms on their open areas till LL takes notice?

Can do if need be.

I know a few sim owners with openspace sims they can set to 100 person limits and let us have a bot farm on them.

Actually it's basic math, not an assumption.

Its a very stupid assumption as the present SL grid could not log in 50000 av's and 500000 bots. It's all hypothetical mumbo jumbo.....it's like grasping at the final straws!

If everyone did it, it most likely have a significantly negative impact on the SL system, as it would be a hell of a lot of bots. If anything like that started to happen then you can bet your boots that LL would act quickly. .

So we should ask for volunteers that own private open sims... so we can fill them with bots to boost traffic to them till LL takes notice.

The typical trait of the vocal minority trying to impose their will on the rest of us.
Do the Bots really effect your daily SL life? Do you have a home right next to a Bot farm and therefore restricts your access at times? Do you have agenda against person on this forum? I said in a previous post you come as being very vindictive.....nothing has changed on that score.

The typical trait of the vocal minority trying to impose their will on the rest of us.
Do the Bots really effect your daily SL life? Do you have a home right next to a Bot farm and therefore restricts your access at times? Do you have agenda against person on this forum? I said in a previous post you come as being very vindictive.....nothing has changed on that score.

And to be honest you and phil are also a vocal minority trying to impose your will on the masses that are ignorant of the issue

Come on Gabriele....now its not even about the existance of bots but it's numbers. Where is the line drawn?

I visited a shop last week on a private SIM....a well known fashion house actually. The sim was filled with green dots throughout the 3/4 shops located on that sim. The majority of these dots were actually Bot Models. They were modelling the products (some for skins, some for clothes, some for hair) on rotating stands.
Now i don't know about you, but as potential customer and in terms of clarity...it's easier to make a decision about a product viewing it on a 3D model than on a 2D photograph.
As a customer i think it helps my decision process........but we also know that all the bots present have the same effect as being cluttered together ina 700 m skybox. So in this instance it has 2 functionalities. You cannot accept one form and not the other.
So thats the dilemna. Maybe more businesses will adopt this approach who knows.......and i'm sure for most of the public this would be acceptable as it enhances their shopping experience.

You really talk in riddles and to be honest not very convincingly

If you really want proof to the assumptions i have made.....i offer you this challenge.

You do a 24 hour research into shopping habits of people. Select a dozen well established business location that use Bots......TP overthere and observe the customers that are milling around looking at products. If you want to take it one stage further for clarity sake...approach potential customers and ask them this 1 single question.
" Would you still be happying purchasing a product from here knowing that this particular shop uses Traffic bots to enhance their position in Places Search"

If you can't find the appropiate locations, i can send you a dozen Landmarks for you to view. Hopefully at the end of this exercise you might have a valid opinion!

Huh? What does Rene do to impose his will on the masses that are ignorant of the issue? I can understand you saying it about me, because I use traffic bots plain and simple, but Rene?

Before you employ your argument from fallacy technique to that, I should point out that it's not an admission that I try to impose my will etc. I don't. I just tend to my little corner of SL, and leave others to tend to theirs. When challenged about what I do in my little corner, I respond and that's all. You on the other hand, along with a few cohorts, want to tend to *all* of SL - impose your will on all of it.

Oh when you point out assumptions on someone's part it's okay. When others do it's insult worthy?

You assume they are aware there are dots up in the sky, when they can very well be unaware of the bot box.

And since they are unaware of the bots, then their shopping there might change if they knew the bots were there. After all they may be unaware the bots are there, and many are unaware that bots can be used to alter the traffic stats in order to manipulate search.

I know a couple that had to be told why people were offering to buy their picks now, as well as explain the current use of camping/bots.

The silent majority is quite commonly unaware of the issues that the vocal minority had problems with.